Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[sunspun]

Ok, jmo, I doubt it's an anagram, honestly. He didn't anticipate anyone seeing this. Still, I'm going to bite and just run this past you. MISS-LEADERS

Okay, so if I take just this part MISS-LE, it looks like "missile" to me. Okay, no "I," though. But if I add the "I" in with the remaining letters, I can get RAIDERS. So MISS(I)LE RAIDERS. Do I think this has some significance? Okay, well, I'd think of a dart gun. And if you "miss," maybe. And darts are projectiles, a type of missile.

But JMO, I think he's just a really bad speller. I think he was just looking out for those victims he drew information from and was anticipating he may not always have gotten the "full truth." Alternatively, maybe he was "reaching out" to others of the same twisted mind as his own, maybe in a limited way, maybe not, for information/collaboration and he knew that he couldn't fully trust them. But if I like "had to" go with an anagram type of deal, it would be the MISS(I)LE RAIDERS/"miss" like dart gun, perhaps.

I honestly don't think it would be an anagram, but I couldn't resist looking it up anyway, so just for fun?, here's a list of anagrams of MISSLEADERS: (I bolded a few I found interesting!)


emeralds sis


dealers miss


leaders miss


less sidearm


less misread


admires less


damsels sire


damsels rise


damsel sires


damsel rises


medals sires


medals rises


leads remiss


deals remiss


dreams isles


dears smiles


arsed smiles


dares smiles


reads smiles


dismal seers


leers sadism


reels sadism


lesser maids


lads messier


rid seamless


aimless reds


dress emails


laser missed


lasses mired


slide smears


sidle smears


reams slides

slides smear


masses riled


seams slider


arses smiled

 

[kittythehare]

I honestly don't think it would be an anagram, but I couldn't resist looking it up anyway, so just for fun?, here's a list of anagrams of MISSLEADERS: (I bolded a few I found interesting!)


emeralds sis


dealers miss


leaders miss


less sidearm


less misread


admires less


damsels sire


damsels rise


damsel sires


damsel rises


medals sires


medals rises


leads remiss


deals remiss


dreams isles


dears smiles


arsed smiles


dares smiles


reads smiles


dismal seers


leers sadism


reels sadism


lesser maids


lads messier


rid seamless


aimless reds


dress emails


laser missed


lasses mired


slide smears


sidle smears


reams slides

slides smear


masses riled


seams slider


arses smiled

'less sidearm' jumps out. He liked his guns did he not and they would almost certainly incite fear, something he also liked..?

 

[Izzylizzy]

all art isn't literal

At least we know that the Death book/photos that was on the Heuermann's kitchen table were literal.

 

[Izzylizzy]

it's been speculated that when she followed some of them years ago, the content was quite different

And how would anyone know this?

 

[LadyL]

At least we know that the Death book/photos that was on the Heuermann's kitchen table were literal.

yeah I read quite a few WS'ers, including Tricia have a copy, so we could ask them how literal it is

And how would anyone know this?

as I said, it's been speculated

 

[indicolite22]

Other criminologists think RH's pathology could be attributed to his controlling mother:

Criminologist Scott Bonn, who accurately profiled the accused Gilgo Beach killer back in 2011, said that Heuermann was a “psychopath” and had heard his mom was “controlling and domineering,” which could have shaped his twisted persona.

“He had a kind of an unusual, incestuous [relationship], in an emotional sense, with his mother, [which] could be a contributing factor to his pathology,” said Bonn, who has extensively interviewed David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam, who had his own set of mommy issues.

“Who knows what was ticking beneath the surface,” the criminologist added. “He may [have been] projecting the loving doting son, when in fact there may have been some deep-seated resentment toward Mom.”

Exclusive | Gilgo Beach murders suspect Rex Heuermann was ‘momma’s boy’: sources

Accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann was bizarrely close to his “controlling” mother while he was an adolescent, according to sources.

nypost.com

 

[PeriwinkleE]

I would really like to know what RH meant by MISS-LEADERS under the heading PROBLEMS in his notes. All the other items are self-explanatory or can be easily figured out what he meant, but this particular one I can't figure out. I can't even come up w/any possibles yet. I saw someone in an earlier thread thought they knew what it meant, and another poster even agreed w/them, but I didn't see how it could be right, bc of the fact that he had listed this under PROBLEMS. I've forgotten what the other poster thought it meant, but I remember thinking that couldn't be it, because that really didn't fit as a "problem" for RH. So I'd like someone with more creativity than I have to see if they can figure out what he meant by MISS-LEADERS. Could it be a construction/architecture term? Was he ever in Mississippi? Did he mean the word 'mislead', like people who misled him, i.e. liars? Or things he wanted to keep in mind to more easily mislead others? (I think that's more what the other poster guessed he meant.)

Am I correct that he wrote these notes long after he'd killed his 1st victim allegedly? About 10 yrs after even? So he wasn't exactly a rookie at it, but he was obviously still working on improvements. It comes across to me as written after only say, 3 or 4, maybe 5 kills. But seems like there would have been many more in that many years, but maybe he was just slow starting, picking up speed (victims) later.

MISS-LEADERS... something he considered one of the many problems he might encounter, or already had encountered. I'm just drawing blanks. What could he have meant by that???

Has anyone heard RH speak? I’d have to listen to him talk at some length to understand what he meant by MISS-LEADERS. Whether he meant being misled or him misleading someone. Or idk what? Hearing the way he uses words would help, imo.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Has anyone heard RH speak? I’d have to listen to him talk at some length to understand what he meant by MISS-LEADERS. Whether he meant being misled or him misleading someone. Or idk what? Hearing the way he uses words would help, imo.

Yes! He speaks in a distinct manner. You can hear him speak on the video by the french man who interviewed him about city codes, before he got arrested.

 

[SharD]

I assumed that " miss-leaders " with a question mark simply meant that he was considering doing things to intentionally throw LE off the trail, but didn't know which specific thing he would "create" in order to do that. For example, if he knew that he was an organized killer, then he might throw in some elements that are characteristic of disorganized killers just to try to throw profilers off. As for the spelling, I have seen many people on the internet struggle with prefixes. I often see people spell " misspell " as " miss-spell ".

Yes, maybe he wasn't familiar with the term "red herring."

 

[Deleted member 117884]

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Gruesome art is nothing new - pick any generation and you'll find it (and people who hate it).


FWIW, I still consider VH a victim unless evidence proves otherwise.

jmo

 

[Ruminations]

Other criminologists think RH's pathology could be attributed to his controlling mother:

Criminologist Scott Bonn, who accurately profiled the accused Gilgo Beach killer back in 2011, said that Heuermann was a “psychopath” and had heard his mom was “controlling and domineering,” which could have shaped his twisted persona.

“He had a kind of an unusual, incestuous [relationship], in an emotional sense, with his mother, [which] could be a contributing factor to his pathology,” said Bonn, who has extensively interviewed David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam, who had his own set of mommy issues.

“Who knows what was ticking beneath the surface,” the criminologist added. “He may [have been] projecting the loving doting son, when in fact there may have been some deep-seated resentment toward Mom.”

Exclusive | Gilgo Beach murders suspect Rex Heuermann was ‘momma’s boy’: sources

Accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann was bizarrely close to his “controlling” mother while he was an adolescent, according to sources.

nypost.com

That guy is taking a victory lap? He described the "average" serial killer.

It also seems like a no brainer that family relationships, including father/Rex, mother/Rex were less than healthy. That is also pretty typical although there is no causality that I have ever heard of. It's not like emotional incest---which may have occurred----automatically leads to serial killing.

It is of note that Rex is the one who seemed to most live with his mother, move his mother, etc., when he has 3 siblings. He took over the marital home.

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[nhmemorymaker]

Thanks for the info.
I just asked where Totes got her info from so it looks like it could have been from his old classmate.
Still no obituary for his father which was uncommon back in the day when he died.

I found this quote odd as well.
Long standing citizen but no obit??

 

[kittythehare]

Other criminologists think RH's pathology could be attributed to his controlling mother:

Criminologist Scott Bonn, who accurately profiled the accused Gilgo Beach killer back in 2011, said that Heuermann was a “psychopath” and had heard his mom was “controlling and domineering,” which could have shaped his twisted persona.

“He had a kind of an unusual, incestuous [relationship], in an emotional sense, with his mother, [which] could be a contributing factor to his pathology,” said Bonn, who has extensively interviewed David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam, who had his own set of mommy issues.

“Who knows what was ticking beneath the surface,” the criminologist added. “He may [have been] projecting the loving doting son, when in fact there may have been some deep-seated resentment toward Mom.”

Exclusive | Gilgo Beach murders suspect Rex Heuermann was ‘momma’s boy’: sources

Accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann was bizarrely close to his “controlling” mother while he was an adolescent, according to sources.

nypost.com

That's consistent with what I know of him too, more or less. I think there was a level of enmeshment which suited them both.. Not sure how his other bro felt about that or even if it's relevant..

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I, for one, am quite confused with all the innuendos and speculations that are pouring out from "experts" of something
We desperately need some new real facts to get back on track!
But who am I kidding, the "experts" of things will only be louder and more plentiful.

Facts, I want facts.

 

[kittythehare]

anybody up for running a list of missing women against his years of activity?
It is my greatest fear that he will be merely charged with a few.
At one point we had a list of all the buildings he could access..
AI might come in handy for a task such as this...
I don't trust it but it might be a starting point?

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Didn't VH mention being inspired by Francis Bacon?

Maybe like his painting by Bacon from 1950s?

Francis Bacon | The Art Institute of Chicago

Artist

www.artic.edu

Raw.

jmo

 

[snarast]

I may regret opening this can of worms, but out of curiosity, I wonder how many people disturbed by the artwork on VH's alleged Tumblr account have pursued a Fine Arts degree. I'm asking because even though I was an English major, most of my electives were art-based. In my art classes, we studied the works of famous Renaissance artists such as Caravaggio in depth. I assume VH would have had to, as well. So, I'll use him as an example.

For those who don't know, Caravaggio was likened to Michaelangelo in the late 1500s to early 1600s—though they were creative rivals. While Michaelangelo took a more gentle approach to his work, Caravaggio's works were dark. Both men were renowned for their paintings of Biblically-themed images. Both men were commissioned by Catholic clergy. Both men's works served to influence other famous artists, including Rembrandt.

Caravaggio, too, was known for the blood and gore in his art (again, based on Biblical themes). Some of his most famous works include a skull, beheadings, and other violence. In many eyes, it was pretty racy stuff for his era despite living in a violent age. Given the world affairs of the past decade, one could argue that VH lives in a violent age.

However, today, Caravaggio's works are revered as fine examples of the Baroque style and hang in museums, cathedrals, and private collections worldwide.

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Clearly, VH is no Caravaggio.

But, she may have studied his work in school and, like those who own his works (looking at you, Vatican), found an appreciation for darker/grittier art. Art appreciation isn't just about the visual image depicted. It's about the strokes of the artist's brush, the molding of the material, and the telling of a story - all left open to the viewer's interpretation.

Now, I know many will say none of this would be relevant if she weren't the daughter of a serial killer. Apart from that, many have said how disgusting and demented the images displayed were and implied whoever created them must be demented, and well, that bothers me. How quickly some will judge simply because something doesn't align with their belief system.

I just wanted to point out that maybe, just maybe, at the time she had her Tumblr account, she was exploring darker themes and was/is innocent* of her father's crimes.


*Innocent, as in having no knowledge of or participation in

Still, those paintings were from a time when ”hung, drawn and quartered” was a rather common punishment.

That said, of course a goth set of aesthetics is hardly illegal or indicative of anything. Delving into the most perverted - the cannibalism and carving new orifices - aspects probably shows a preoccupation that is unusual.

 

[dotr]

Approx.@4:40, Real estate guy working with RH, says that RH wanted to buy the house he had been working on as an architect.
Apparently, this was an unusual thing for an architect and that RH was quite pushy about it too, "He was adamant about it'', "what did he all of a sudden want the property for?", "It was a red flag"

Why did he want to buy that property so badly, wondering where it is located??, imo speculation

Jun 11, 2024 #gilgobeach #banfield #rexheuermann
Former co-workers of Rex Heuermann, the man who is accused of killing six women, are speaking out about behavior they witnessed during work.

 

[Trailbum74]

Didn't VH mention being inspired by Francis Bacon?

Yes, I did read that somewhere...can't recall where.

I had originally thought the reference was to the philosopher of the same name and was slightly confused. However, a quick Googling had me looking at images that closely resemble those attributed to VH and her Tumblr feed during last week's press conference, especially his "Man and Beast" exhibition at the Royal Academy of Arts in London a few years ago.

 

[NyxNY]

if she deleted her account then there's no reason to delete individual posts so what is he even talking about

I believe he mistook her "newsfeed" (in Facebook terms) as reposting. Newsfeed being anything new coming across from the people she was following. IMO anyway. Also, it was her other social media accounts that were deleted. All but Tumblr