Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #2

[Momoffourboys]

I don’t understand this if someone can please explain nicely.

Can Palestinians actually really protect themselves? There is nowhere for them to go? They can’t leave the region unless Egypt lets them and there is no other way out.

If these shelters were safe, wouldn’t all the children and vulnerable go there? Are these shelters really safe? Are they enough of them?

I don’t understand how Palestinians in Gaza can get out of the crossfire like it’s an option for them. Safety is not an option for them, is it?

From prior reports, Hamas told the residents of Gaza to stay in their homes and they will be fine. This is terrible advice. They will not be safe. Its very dangerous. Someone hacked their TV station and gave sound advice. They need to leave. Now.
From what I understand, most homes in Gaza do not have bomb shelters or safe rooms.
Egypt has, reportedly, opened up the border and letting a few hundred people out each day.

 

[Brightchaser47]

31m ago

Palestinian president 'rejects' civilian killings, hostage taking, on both sides​

The Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has spoken to the King of Jordan, King Abdullah II.

Palestine’s main news network, Wafa, cited Abbas as stressing, “the need to move to political action to end the occupation and achieve peace, stressing the rejection of practices related to killing civilians or abusing them on both sides, calling for the release of civilians, prisoners and detainees, and stressing the need to stop settler terrorism against our people in Palestinian cities, villages and camps in the West Bank.”

Israel-Hamas war live: Israeli military has told 1.1 million in Gaza to move further south in next 24 hours, UN says

UN spokesperson says such a movement would have ‘devastating humanitarian consequences’ as Israel prepares for a ground offensive; Palestinian death toll rises to 1,537, according to Gaza’s health ministry

www.theguardian.com

Settler terrorism??

 

[Momoffourboys]

Aren't Hamas Palestinian? I understand the human need/ want to separate them but terrorism and the Palestinians go way back. These are just the latest.

It's incredibly sad that Palestinians throughout the region are treated horribly, refugees are allowed into countries but cannot become citizens and are not treated equally - even having been there 75 years or more (Egypt).

But at the same time, they cause so much death and destruction in their host countries. See Jordan's Black September and the Lebanese Civil War. Just this summer infighting broke out at a Lebanese Palestinian camp causing deaths. If you were raised on hopelessness, hatred, and violence it's all you know.

The Gaza strip is far, far from being the worst living conditions for Palestinians. Yet they can't settle, take the billions of aid they've received, and create a decent life for themselves.

I don't know any answers but I know that when Hamas is wiped out another Palestinian terror group will just take their place.

Its really beyond a tragic situation.
The residents of Gaza don’t see a penny of the billions they receive.
Every penny is spent to destroy Israel. Munitions. Tunnels. Terrorist training.

I don’t know the answer, either.

 

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[bmacmillan1]

I hope some really good sleuther hereditary can find some identification of the date, time, and location this photo was taken.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Live update: Hamas deputy chief lies: We don’t target civilians, we only attacked IDF, Israel planned Gaza offensive

https://x.com/TOIAlerts/status/1712483284264096243?s=20

 

[shotgun09]

Settler terrorism??

Newest term to enrage, divide and rile.
A common tactic seen elsewhere....

 

[Momoffourboys]

Hamas leader: 1,200 members of al-Qassam Brigades entered Israel​

The Hamas leader repeated claims that the terrorist movement did not target civilians in Israel.​

Hamas leader: 1,200 members of al-Qassam Brigades entered Israel | The Jerusalem Post

The Hamas leader repeated claims that the terrorist movement did not target civilians in Israel.

www.jpost.com

 

[Momoffourboys]

Israel supplied only 45% of the electricity consumption to Gaza, Israel supplied only 10% of the water consumption in Gaza' @GrishaConsult
calculates the millions of dollars spent by Hamas on their terror attacks in Israel instead of on the needs of the people living in Gaza

https://x.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1712488410911273075?s=20

 

[bestill]

Newest term to enrage, divide and rile.
A common tactic seen elsewhere....

You read my mind!! Verbiage attempt to turn the terrorist (Hamas) into the victim.

 

[cujenn81]

The State Department estimates that there are 500 to 600 American citizens in Gaza, a senior agency official told reporters during Blinken’s flight to Israel. The department is working to ensure their safety, the official said.

Israel has not opened an exit route for civilians during its bombing campaign on Gaza. Getting safe passage for civilians leaving the enclave is one of the issues that American officials say they will discuss with Israeli counterparts on this trip.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/12/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas/8961a528-2dba-516a-beb9-da0332d8a601?smid=url-share

 

[bmacmillan1]

Can anyone share their understanding of the 'safe rooms' I think they're called in some of the Israeli houses? Do they come standard in newer houses? Or are they personal choice additions made by the owners.
How inpenetrable are they?

 

[Momoffourboys]

Hamas is on the defensive as it’s no.2 Saleh Al-Arouri tells Al-Jazeera that killing civilians is “against our principles.” He blames the atrocities on ordinary Gazans who joined 1,200 Al-Qassam terrorists in the rampage. The aim was to crush the IDF’s Gaza division and they did.

https://x.com/ariel_oseran/status/1712487326939582785?s=20

(Is he blaming the people he sent in, his own people, or am I reading this wrong?)

 

[Cryptic]

Someone hacked their TV station and gave sound advice. They need to leave. Now.

Though the advice is sound, nothing is easy in the Middle East.

Last time large numbers of Palestinians left their homes in the course of a war, they were not allowed to return. Their "abandoned" homes were then confiscated.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Can anyone share their understanding of the 'safe rooms' I think they're called in some of the Israeli houses? Do they come standard in newer houses? Or are they personal choice additions made by the owners.
How inpenetrable are they?

Most new homes have one room that is a safe/reinforced room.
Here is more:

Merkhav Mugan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[dotr]

Curious to know how the terrorists chose which people to outright murder and which ones to abduct?

Were a greater number of people abducted from the music festival (lots of young attractive females) than from other places where they abducted the elderly and small children?

Did they take the easiest, lightest people to carry off, or chose people who did not look Israelis, to raise the bargaining chips with other countries? imo, speculation.

 

[Gardenista]

Can anyone share their understanding of the 'safe rooms' I think they're called in some of the Israeli houses? Do they come standard in newer houses? Or are they personal choice additions made by the owners.
How inpenetrable are they?

All Israeli buildings erected after 1993 are required to have bomb shelters – reinforced rooms with concrete walls and heavy steel doors.

But these safe rooms are designed to withstand a rocket attack, not an armed incursion. The doors are heavy, but they don’t have locks – they are not supposed to be lockable, for safety reasons.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/middleeast/israel-kibbutz-survivors-barricade-intl-hnk/index.html#:~:text=All%20Israeli%20buildings%20erected%20after,attack%2C%20not%20an%20armed%20incursion.

 

[Gardenista]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1712292636407583221

 

[Friday Fan]

Hamas is on the defensive as it’s no.2 Saleh Al-Arouri tells Al-Jazeera that killing civilians is “against our principles.” He blames the atrocities on ordinary Gazans who joined 1,200 Al-Qassam terrorists in the rampage. The aim was to crush the IDF’s Gaza division and they did.

https://x.com/ariel_oseran/status/1712487326939582785?s=20

(Is he blaming the people he sent in, his own people, or am I reading this wrong?)

Good grief. Own up to it!

 

[bmacmillan1]

All Israeli buildings erected after 1993 are required to have bomb shelters – reinforced rooms with concrete walls and heavy steel doors.

But these safe rooms are designed to withstand a rocket attack, not an armed incursion. The doors are heavy, but they don’t have locks – they are not supposed to be lockable, for safety reasons.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/middleeast/israel-kibbutz-survivors-barricade-intl-hnk/index.html#:~:text=All%20Israeli%20buildings%20erected%20after,attack%2C%20not%20an%20armed%20incursion.

So then obviously the terrorists could gain access easily to the poor people inside...