• #741
Makes me think the family had seen him before and kids might recognize him or his voice.
This brings me back to a something I've always suspected before, in that there was info in this case about the condition of the bodies of the family members were left in when Haruko discovered them. As we know, Haruko came across the body of Mikio first and it's said that a drawer was placed on Mikio's body. Then came the bodies of Yasuko & the girl Nina, Haruko said that Yasuko's entire body was covered in a pile of clothes and couldn't be distinguished by her at first and then Nina's body was facing downwards with her face also pointing down. The boy Rei's body was left lying face down on the bottom bunkbed with a futon mattress covering his head.

Now some criminal psychologists claim that when a murderer cover their victims it can be that they were acquainted with them when alive. Or it can be an indication of a feeling of guilt (which I really doubt with this guy). This is all something I feel personally inclined to believe, that he knew these people and the TMPD have just not revealed it for whatever reason or haven't followed up on it hard enough.
 
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  • #742
250,000 investigators working on the case at one point or another is so mind-boggling ... still shocked they could never find any certain leads.

It's a shame their DNA databases weren't widespread at the time, and still have privacy and testing limitations... I feel like they'd get a hit if they could run it against other countries' databases, or if genealogical testing wasn't disallowed. :confused:
 
  • #743
This is all something I feel personally inclined to believe, that he knew these people and the TMPD have just not revealed it for whatever reason or haven't followed up on it hard enough.
RSBM
I do believe the culprit knew of the family, I am not totally convinced they knew him and a connection has just been missed at this stage. But there are certainly things the TMPD do know about him that they have not revealed. That is a fact.

Recently in an article a neighbour said that he had seen the bathroom window was often left open for ventilation purposes. That is one person who noticed the pattern of the window being left open.
So who else did? Did the skaters who occupied the park daily across the street? Likely. Did the university students in the dormitories by the baseball field? Dog walkers? Families using the kid’s park? Regular tennis players in the courts? A passer by on more than one occasion?
This little factoid opens up the possible culprit to a person who just noticed that window being open and watched the house a few times, then decided to come back to kill them.
This brings me back to a something I've always suspected before, in that there was info in this case about the condition of the bodies of the family members were left in when Haruko discovered them. As we know, Haruko came across the body of Mikio first and it's said that a drawer was placed on Mikio's body. Then came the bodies of Yasuko & the girl Nina, Haruko said that Yasuko's entire body was covered in a pile of clothes and couldn't be distinguished by her at first and then Nina's body was facing downwards with her face also pointing down. The boy Rei's body was left lying face down on the bottom bunkbed with a futon mattress covering his head.
RSBM
Tsuchida-san has been quite descriptive about the state the bodies were left in. He describes the wounds as more of a cutting motion than stabbing, like he was trying to carve them up before killing them. The sheer amount of blood in the loft and that Yasuko and Niina made it down the ladder and didn’t die up there, for example, indicates this.

About the faces being covered, what you say could be true and they were all deliberately covered in some way. But after seeing the photos myself the house was in such huge disarray it almost looked like an explosion had happened.
Around Yasuko and Niina, for example, a blanket was hanging down from the loft and next to them were several pairs of shoes, slippers, clothes hangers, bags, more blankets, etc. Rei’s pillows had been thrown across the room, his bedroom drawers opened. It appears that in the struggle things had been thrown, dropped, and landed all over the place. I couldn’t say whether this is why or if their faces were deliberately covered, but it’s also potentially just that things landed that way.
250,000 investigators working on the case at one point or another is so mind-boggling ... still shocked they could never find any certain leads.

It's a shame their DNA databases weren't widespread at the time, and still have privacy and testing limitations... I feel like they'd get a hit if they could run it against other countries' databases, or if genealogical testing wasn't disallowed. :confused:
The DNA is the key.
Unless there is some kind of breakthrough like in the Takaba case. But even then, the culprit handed herself in to the police.
 
  • #744
Hi all,
Does anybody know where An Irie specifically lived in her time overseas? Not implicating her at all, just curious where in the US or UK she was in the 8 years she was abroad? It mentions she was working in a British university but the Japanese article doesn't go into further detail. Perhaps someone who had an obsession with her? just speculation. It was only 3 months after she had returned that this murder happened. Tenuous at best but would be good to know either way. TIA
 
  • #745
Hi all,
Does anybody know where An Irie specifically lived in her time overseas? Not implicating her at all, just curious where in the US or UK she was in the 8 years she was abroad? It mentions she was working in a British university but the Japanese article doesn't go into further detail. Perhaps someone who had an obsession with her? just speculation. It was only 3 months after she had returned that this murder happened. Tenuous at best but would be good to know either way. TIA
I always found the timing interesting as well and An/her familie's ties to the US. I thought maybe mistaken identity or the wrong side of the house was targeted... not sure though. I try to be open minded to all angles regardless.
 
  • #746
Hi all,
Does anybody know where An Irie specifically lived in her time overseas? Not implicating her at all, just curious where in the US or UK she was in the 8 years she was abroad? It mentions she was working in a British university but the Japanese article doesn't go into further detail. Perhaps someone who had an obsession with her? just speculation. It was only 3 months after she had returned that this murder happened. Tenuous at best but would be good to know either way. TIA
She lived in Rugby, Warwickshire, UK. Her husband worked for Formula 1 and the county has very big ties to it. The region supports F1 through the University of Warwick’s student racing team, F1 society, and is a hub for engineering and talent for the sport. It isn’t confirmed that university is where she worked but it would make sense if she did (speculation).
To correct your dates there, An and her son moved back in April 2000 so he could enter junior high school at the start of the year. Her husband then moved back properly in December, barely a week before the murder happened.
 
  • #747
She lived in Rugby, Warwickshire, UK. Her husband worked for Formula 1 and the county has very big ties to it. The region supports F1 through the University of Warwick’s student racing team, F1 society, and is a hub for engineering and talent for the sport. It isn’t confirmed that university is where she worked but it would make sense if she did (speculation).
To correct your dates there, An and her son moved back in April 2000 so he could enter junior high school at the start of the year. Her husband then moved back properly in December, barely a week before the murder happened.
Thanks @Incoherent, you always clear things up well :)

I thought An and/or her family also had some ties to US for work? Something to do with auto industry as well? Can't recall where I heard/read that now of course... I might be getting mixed up with a hypothetical theory that had thought An's husband worked in auto industry in the Cali desert where the sand was though. I am likely mixed up.
 
  • #748
Thanks @Incoherent, you always clear things up well :)

I thought An and/or her family also had some ties to US for work? Something to do with auto industry as well? Can't recall where I heard/read that now of course... I might be getting mixed up with a hypothetical theory that had thought An's husband worked in auto industry in the Cali desert where the sand was though. I am likely mixed up.
You’re welcome. It’s not easy to find finer details but they’re sometimes out there if you know what to search for. An says on her twitter years and years ago in a singular tweet in Japanese that she lived in Rugby during those years, otherwise I don’t think it’s anywhere else.

About her husband working outside of the UK, it wouldn’t be beyond possibility he did, but at least in the preceding 8 years to 2000 after leaving Japan they were living only in the UK. Whether he travelled or not I’m unsure. But considering the scope of the job the probability is high you’d think?
Mikio absolutely had ties to the US though and travelled and worked there. Interbrand did plane liveries which could have put him in touch those from, with or close to, military bases potentially.
 
  • #749
You’re welcome. It’s not easy to find finer details but they’re sometimes out there if you know what to search for. An says on her twitter years and years ago in a singular tweet in Japanese that she lived in Rugby during those years, otherwise I don’t think it’s anywhere else.

About her husband working outside of the UK, it wouldn’t be beyond possibility he did, but at least in the preceding 8 years to 2000 after leaving Japan they were living only in the UK. Whether he travelled or not I’m unsure. But considering the scope of the job the probability is high you’d think?
Mikio absolutely had ties to the US though and travelled and worked there. Interbrand did plane liveries which could have put him in touch those from, with or close to, military bases potentially.
Thanks also Incoherent appreciate the response and the correction. Very impressive you even found that out considering its one, isolated, tweet from years ago.
 
  • #750
Can barium titanate escape from inside electronics?
The most likely source, in my opinion, is a lighter with a piezoelectric element. Barium titanate is used as the base material for piezoelectric elements. The owner of the jacket probably carried a lighter in that pocket.
 
  • #751
The most likely source, in my opinion, is a lighter with a piezoelectric element. Barium titanate is used as the base material for piezoelectric elements. The owner of the jacket probably carried a lighter in that pocket.
So you think the person responsible is a smoker by the fact you said lighter? Ok that would narrow the field a tiny bit. And if we cross reference that to ties to Edwards Air Base and assumption he has ties to US military that would narrow it even more.
 
  • #752
I've always found the fact that the perpetrator used the family's computer to attempt to purchase theater tickets to be very bizarre. Given Mikio's interest in theater, I've always suspected there could be a connection there.
 
  • #753
I've always found the fact that the perpetrator used the family's computer to attempt to purchase theater tickets to be very bizarre. Given Mikio's interest in theater, I've always suspected there could be a connection there.
I'm not so sure that's true that they attempted to purchase theater tickets per "FacelessPodcast - Verified Author - Miyazawa Family Murders" post HERE.
 
  • #754
Just refreshing/posting some links from the TMPD:

English page (1/2026): Robbery and Quadruple Murder of a Family in Kami-soshigaya 3-chome(上祖師谷三丁目一家4人強盗殺人事件) 警視庁
English poster (1/2026): https://www.keishicho.metro.tokyo.l...h/safe_society/wanted/seijo.files/En_2601.pdf

"3D image video of the crime scene and its vicinity at the time of murder" (6/2022): 3D image video of the crime scene and its vicinity at the time of murder(事件当時の発生現場付近のイメージ3D動画) 警視庁

"What are the characteristics of the hip bag and the scarf?" (12/2018) : What are the characteristics of the hip bag and the scarf?(ヒップバッグとマフラーの特徴は?) 警視庁

- interesting note: "It is believed that the perpetrator is familiar with the area around the victim’s house. It is possible that he was someone who was born and raised in Tokyo or someone who came from a rural area to Tokyo for school or business."

"Where was the scarf manufactured? Where was it sold?" (12/2018): Where was the scarf manufactured? Where was it sold?(マフラーはどこで製造、販売されたのか?) 警視庁

"What are the characteristics of the shoes worn by the perpetrator?" (12/2018) : What are the characteristics of the shoes worn by the perpetrator?(犯人が履いていた靴の特徴は?) 警視庁

- interesting note: one group of people the PD is looking into is "...someone who sold the same shoes as a parallel import product before the murder or knows of such trader."

"How did the perpetrator use the handkerchiefs?" (12/2018) : How did the perpetrator use the handkerchiefs?(犯人はハンカチをどのように使用したのか?) 警視庁

- int. note: "..we suspect the perpetrator created a kind of pouch by tucking one corner of the handkerchief through the hole. The perpetrator then may have slid the knife handle through the hole (as well) before committing the murder..."

Perhaps that's why the gloves were abandoned? They were useless for grip on the knife?
 
  • #755
Just refreshing/posting some links from the TMPD:

English page (1/2026): Robbery and Quadruple Murder of a Family in Kami-soshigaya 3-chome(上祖師谷三丁目一家4人強盗殺人事件) 警視庁
English poster (1/2026): https://www.keishicho.metro.tokyo.l...h/safe_society/wanted/seijo.files/En_2601.pdf

"3D image video of the crime scene and its vicinity at the time of murder" (6/2022): 3D image video of the crime scene and its vicinity at the time of murder(事件当時の発生現場付近のイメージ3D動画) 警視庁

"What are the characteristics of the hip bag and the scarf?" (12/2018) : What are the characteristics of the hip bag and the scarf?(ヒップバッグとマフラーの特徴は?) 警視庁

- interesting note: "It is believed that the perpetrator is familiar with the area around the victim’s house. It is possible that he was someone who was born and raised in Tokyo or someone who came from a rural area to Tokyo for school or business."

"Where was the scarf manufactured? Where was it sold?" (12/2018): Where was the scarf manufactured? Where was it sold?(マフラーはどこで製造、販売されたのか?) 警視庁

"What are the characteristics of the shoes worn by the perpetrator?" (12/2018) : What are the characteristics of the shoes worn by the perpetrator?(犯人が履いていた靴の特徴は?) 警視庁

- interesting note: one group of people the PD is looking into is "...someone who sold the same shoes as a parallel import product before the murder or knows of such trader."

"How did the perpetrator use the handkerchiefs?" (12/2018) : How did the perpetrator use the handkerchiefs?(犯人はハンカチをどのように使用したのか?) 警視庁

- int. note: "..we suspect the perpetrator created a kind of pouch by tucking one corner of the handkerchief through the hole. The perpetrator then may have slid the knife handle through the hole (as well) before committing the murder..."

Perhaps that's why the gloves were abandoned? They were useless for grip on the knife?
The shoes “paralleel import” are “grey market” goods. Basically, goods intended for, or sold to, a different country than originally intended. This would explain the half shoe size being purchased in Japan, despite them typically not carrying half sizes. My suspicion has always been the shoes were purchased at Yokota. The military base stores would be a prime marketplace for parallel import and gray market goods. One of the Yokota yearbooks even has a picture of a student working at a shoe department/store. It's hard to tell, but the picture shows what may even be Slazenger shoes.
 

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