Journalistic Ransom Note

  • #81
It's quiet here so I hope it's OK to pose a question as a self assessment.

Yesterday's "Jeopardy" final jeopardy posed this question: What disability did the singer Ray Charles describe as being so bad as to be almost unimaginable?


Dum de dum dum, dum de dum, dum de dum dum dum de dum dum ...etc. Just stalling a bit so the answer isn't right under the question. (This is that ransom note thread I hope, since the "note" is the ultimate intuitive test.)


The statement may have been made in the movie "Ray", I don't know, didn't see it...dum, dum, dum.



Well, all three contestants missed it to my surprise, since we did our usual one, two, three, answer: Deafness! (OK, what IS "deafness"?) All contestants said "blindness", which is of course Ray's disability. But by imagining oneself as blind and thinking what would seem unimaginable, the answer seemed apparent. Yet another victory for avoiding a superficial view and putting yourself into the dynamics of a circumstance to look outward.
 
  • #82
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sissi said:
"At this time, however, we"
"Doing so will only serve to jeopardize "
" of law enforcement agencies "
" respect to a case brought before it by the Boulder Police Department."
"who are in possession of compelling facts "
"whereby to maximize the likelihood of a successful conclusion "
"Governor Romer, with the support of the people of Boulder, must attend to these matters now."

These are quotes from the White's 1998 letter. I find the way they formed their phrases very similar to the way the ransom note was phrased. The wording may be a bit different, but not much so.

The last statement, rings (to me) It's up to you now John!
Camper did such a nice job with the L&L comparison, I was hoping someone would take a shot at finding the phrases that "match" the ones above.
...........

Hey, that's a good new thought Also, here's a copy/paste from another post I liked.

"Cold-blooded killers, lacking remorse obviously at the time of the killing, usually feel they can explain and justify their actions. Since the perp left a rambling note, it can be checked for any possible negative explanatory remarks.

I found three possible negative explanatory remarks:

"...but not the country that it serves."
"...do not particularly like you..."
"...not the only fat cat..."


The remark against this country means the perp identifies with a foreign country.

The remark against fat cats, or 'haves', means the perp identifies with those opposed to fat cats, or 'have-nots'.

"We are a group of individuals that represent [a have-not foreign country]?"

Last edited by Holdontoyourhat : 05-28-2005 at 12:24 AM. Reason: Tone it down ......


The perp seems to be a pretty skilled forger, who maybe studied the Whites' as well as the Ramseys' ways of writing, and/or POSSIBLY FW could have been an accomplice. (Not saying that's my theory, don't have a fave one.)

The remark against this country I think means Ideology rather than Geographic Location.

He may be of some form of communism, IF there are various forms of "Red's not dead", With the attitude or belief that what's yours is ours, you have no right to be so prosperous and fat cat or big-headed, something like that. Also a cold-blooded sociopath who believes he can explain/justify his actions with some kind of Ideology, for instance that America is too greedy/prideful, and with accusations and misquotes.

Traditionally it's said that sociopaths have no conscience, but their efforts to justify themselves seem to me to indicate just the opposite, that they do care about others' opinions of them, and try the old "defense mechanism" of projecting faults on others, one of about ten traditional psychological defense mechanisms. There was Ideological criticizm of the R's one time from a woman who attended their Open House, greatly offended by the oppulence, possibly from the same if-there-was-one foreign ideology group.

Someone lurked around the gas station at Charlevoix prior to this murder bad-mouthing the Ramseys a lot. And someone had been sleeping in JonBenet's bed there before the event. Let's don't ever forget the peripheral characters.

So it sure sounds like one of those "vast" conspiracies, not necessarily meaning that all involved knew what was coming down, at all. Stine turned away police at the door after JonBenet had evidently been molested and tried to call 911, as if she didn't particularly want that group investigated, which wasn't necessarily part of the murder group, neither of which would have all members fully informed. There's also a long article at Konformist.com, "Daddy's Little Princess", with a CIA detailed theory.

Since a "babylon" organization which probably started in ancient "Babylon" is said to rule kings, (in Revelation at the end of some chapter, maybe 17 or 18) probably CIA is pretty masonic, and they say pagan and all religions are equal, as the Boulder "Unity" church that McSanta belonged to, do? That would include Celtic, Wicca, Indian (?) Kali, and everything we'd ever hear of, correct? The two guys visiting from Ca. I believe were from a Kali group. (I don't think Knoformist mentions this possible aspect.) Hope I'm articulating well enough that it makes sense. Again, this isn't my fave theory, have none. There's prophecy in the eternal Book (that I grew up on and taught myself to read from, a childrens' version, instead of the phone book or dictionary) that a real Jackal posing as religious, "hence" the Psalms connection, satan himself perverting pulpits into meanness, 2nd Corinthians 11:14, Isaiah 14, hating and destroying his own nation, to be caught, Daniel 7, "and none shall help him", in hot water, a lake of fire.

Instead of a bazooka like Bruce Willis' version, he uses words, spreads hatred in the house of his God, gossiping to pastors who will sometimes just eat it up, and one was saying unscriptural things like "Women worry about their reputations and are tempted to be hypocrits," "Men are to be the teachers in the home", (Apostle Paul commended young Timothy's mother and grandmother for teaching him, remember? And fathers are usually at work.) Claims anyone in pursuit of excellence needs to be "humbled", so there's conspiracies not to hire, etc. Classical musicians' trials and tribulations are first in my mind but also successful business people, "fat cats". Sociopaths are always failures at something and destroyers of others. Googling reveals they typically get you fired and themselves promoted. I've observed they can take over your organization, telling its leaders they owe it to the organization to profit it however they can, even to the injury of Individual Rights. This is the basis of my Ideology idea.

That's the opposite of Christianity's "Whatsoever you do unto One, of the least...." The word "hence" may also be from the Bible he perverts.

I have been told there's definitely someone who hates beauty queens' "pride", who just assumes they're as prideful as he. (I hear I was accused of having been one, absolutely untrue, in my youth, to manipulate people against me careerwise several years back, but he wasn't named.) At least one University leader was promised a county-wide promotion, a newspaper article about U. misuse of Pork Barrel funds sounds like, to "humble" someone assumed to have Phi Beta Kappa ambitions/pride.

The Ramsey case would certianly fit his profile. (People don't give me a name, I couldn't cite anyway, would have been dangerous for them and for me, but trust me, the holy prophecy will be proven and we're so lucky to have this warning. It will eventually explain a lot of things. He uses terrorism, the natural violence of a certain ethnic group, as a "cover", according to ancient Habakkuk, about chapter 2 I think, of 3. Opposite of Christ, we call him the final antichrist. No Rapture rescue is mentioned in the Bible, and some churches are deciding to call a spade a spade about the Left Behind fiction books, calling them heresy. A series of 7 heads of state enable this nut, and in approximately the middle of the last one's second term, probably the Great Eagle nation (?) his time will be up. We've had that many heads of state since JFK Dallas, he may have masterminded, still a mystery like JBR. Very cunning misquoting mastermind of humbling crimes. The Pride Police? As we've discussed before, families are embarrassed when a victim appears to have been playing auto-erotic sex games. It would tend to be "humbling".
 
  • #83
Isn't a very possible motive suggested by this, that would fit in with everything we've said before ? I couldn't get it to edit, even immediately, into shorter paragraphs or to include this question. Sorry. (Don't forget to clear cookies twice again, Camper.)

In other words, someone who thinks he's The Pride Police, and has some followers subscribing to that, masterminded the whole thing, reason it's as much of a mystery as the Dallas one?

We don't know if he somehow got hold of Patsy's Christmas letters, to study her manner of writing, and claimed that her family news was "bragging". Which accusation would infuriate some of their friends, maybe the Whites.

He's "the little horn with the bragging mouth", according to some older publishers' versions of Bible, among several "horns", or, maybe agents of some world power(?) I don't claim to know every meaning. I just work here.

Hope I'm not too far off about a motive. So far, nobody's come up with one, that I know of.

Were all of the big panties checked for DNA, and did they all have the same, by any chance?
 
  • #84
Lacy, blindness affected the DA's office to a high degree, whether it was intentional by wearing blinders, OR whether they just became mute to, erase the perception that an un actionable juvenile was to blame for this innocents death, will we ever know?

A: Don't know

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Eagle, I might take your words 'as a fact' IF IF IF the perp had stamped an envelope and mailed the ransom note to the Ramseys to be delivered on the 26th, 27th or 28th, rather than leaving a pristine copy spread out on the stair tread. That would in fact have been a business oriented way of relaying their message, an official letter.

Perhaps the perp if in reality is real, no doubt by now he/she is locked up in a mental facility somewhere watching paint dry on the walls. MOP.


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  • #85
BlueCrab said:
Camper,

Can't argue with you there.

But here's something I can ague with you about: The size 12/14 panties JonBenet was wearing had to have been put on her by the killer after JonBenet was dead. Therefore, the foreign male DNA in the crotch had to be from the killer, not a toilet sat.

BlueCrab

Not necessarily BlueCrab...JonBenet's last bath was PROBABLY December 24th...JonBenet could have changed panties a couple of times but the DNA could have come from her vaginal area...not the actual underwear. The crotch definately touches the panties...

From what I've read, on December 24th...JonBenet visited Megan Kostanzick, went to church, dinner at Pasta Jays, a quick stop at the White's before going home.

December 25th....well you all know what her itinerary was.
 
  • #86
Toltec said:
Not necessarily BlueCrab...JonBenet's last bath was PROBABLY December 24th...JonBenet could have changed panties a couple of times but the DNA could have come from her vaginal area...not the actual underwear. The crotch definately touches the panties...

From what I've read, on December 24th...JonBenet visited Megan Kostanzick, went to church, dinner at Pasta Jays, a quick stop at the White's before going home.

December 25th....well you all know what her itinerary was.


Toltec,

There's little doubt the foreign male DNA was mixed with JonBenet's blood that had seeped postmortem from the vagina and onto the fresh size 12/14 underwear the perp had put on her. There is every indication the male DNA was from saliva as the result of oral sex inflicted on the victim.

The law of probabilities has to be used at this point. Yes, the male DNA could have come from secondary transfer, but it's highly improbable (especially from the toilet in the LADIES bathroom at Pasta Jays).
 
  • #87
BlueCrab, a sage saying by Camper 'Belief and truth are often strangers'

What do JonBenets panties have to do with the bogus ransom note thread of mine?


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More appropriate space for panty discussion is "What Do JonBenets Clothes Have to Say"?

A test for woodworkers, make an open ended toilet seat cover four times bigger than BlueCrabs anatomy and mount it taller than his legs are long. Then put some three sizes too big Fruit of the Looms on him, with some tight black velvet pants, and check out where the crotch hits the points of the seat, when he wiggles to get into the 'proper' position, pretending to be a girl or it won't work.

I rest my case.



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  • #88
you gotta admit that was funny blue crab lol
 
  • #89
Toltec said:
From what I've read, on December 24th...JonBenet visited Megan Kostanzick, went to church, dinner at Pasta Jays, a quick stop at the White's before going home.


Toltec,

JonBenet didn't go to the bathroom at the Kostanick's; I think they just talked briefly outside.

People don't usually go to the bathroom while attending church services.

Male DNA wouldn't likely be on the toilet seat in the LADIES bathroom at Pasta Jays.

The DNA doesn't match any male at the White's dinner party.
 
  • #90
Camper said:
A test for woodworkers, make an open ended toilet seat cover four times bigger than BlueCrabs anatomy and mount it taller than his legs are long. Then put some three sizes too big Fruit of the Looms on him, with some tight black velvet pants, and check out where the crotch hits the points of the seat, when he wiggles to get into the 'proper' position, pretending to be a girl or it won't work.


I'm offended. I wear only Hanes.

Besides, since I wear size 36, the underwear put on me would have to be twice that, or size 72, to be an authentic test. JonBenet wore size 6 and was found dead wearing size 12/14.

In addition to a woodworker to make the toilet seat, you'd have to hire Omar the Tentmaker to make the underwear.
 
  • #91
BlueCrab said:
Toltec,

JonBenet didn't go to the bathroom at the Kostanick's; I think they just talked briefly outside.

People don't usually go to the bathroom while attending church services.

Male DNA wouldn't likely be on the toilet seat in the LADIES bathroom at Pasta Jays.

The DNA doesn't match any male at the White's dinner party.

I believed it was said Jonbenet spent a portion of the day visiting with Megan.
 
  • #92
I Camper, shall respond to BlueCrabs points in red, below after each point.

BlueCrab said:
Toltec,

JonBenet didn't go to the bathroom at the Kostanick's; I think they just talked briefly outside. WE donut know much of anything for certain, so that point is debatable.

People don't usually go to the bathroom while attending church services. Adults don't but children beat a well trodden path to the bathroom in our church, accompanied by an adult. Plus on our main level we only have ONE bathroom for everyone, on the lower level we have boy and girl bathrooms.

Male DNA wouldn't likely be on the toilet seat in the LADIES bathroom at Pasta Jays. Welllllllll, depends on WHO is cleaning the bathrooms, a cleaning rag, used in the male bathroom, could have been used on the seats in the ladies room, thereby transfering dna from the male toilet/urinals IF IF IF they have urinals, to the ladies toilet seats. IF IF it was an employees duty to do the cleaning, it may have been a slam bam thank you mam type of cleaning. OR OR male employees could have used the ladies room after closing before they finished close up chores and left dna to be picked up the following day.

Again I offer that IF IF IF JonBenet did not quite make it to the bathroom and had a little or a lot of dampness in her panty BEFORE she got on to the toilet seat, the dampness could have acted as a cleaning 'rag' to pick up unidentified dna from a not quite clean toilet seat.

The DNA doesn't match any male at the White's dinner party.
It was the holiday season, WE don't know who may have used the bathroom, prior to company coming. Cleaning toilet seats is not uniformly done the same way by every human who ever undertakes the task.


The whole thing boils down to whether JonBenet got into the NEW oversized panties without her mother knowing it, and wearing them for two days. I am guessing that she did! 6 year olds like that feeling of being a bigger girl or on their way to being a 'grown up'.

BC, betcha Fruit of the Loom people could get you covered. I know that you got my drift a bit better by my home project, though, admit it!

I am hoping that whoever caused her death has a lot of bags under their eyes from lack of sleep, and waiting for the knock on the door with an arrest warrant.

Sick world!!!!!!!!! I donut like it.



:boohoo:
 
  • #93
Here's a good article on Leopold and Loeb by Denise Nole at Crime Magazine:
http://crimemagazine.com/04/leopoldloeb,0229.htm
Also, you can read Hal Higdon's: The Crime of The Century (TCTC).

To me whoever wrote (or dictated) the RN knew about Leopold & Loeb plus the movies Speed, Ransom, Ruthless People, Ricochet... Fancy that, an accident happens and you are able to remember all those details. If there was one reference, fine. But when it recurs throughout the crime scene, it makes me think of an author who was more than enthralled with murder.
 
  • #94
BlueCrab said:
Toltec,

JonBenet didn't go to the bathroom at the Kostanick's; I think they just talked briefly outside.

People don't usually go to the bathroom while attending church services.

Male DNA wouldn't likely be on the toilet seat in the LADIES bathroom at Pasta Jays.

The DNA doesn't match any male at the White's dinner party.

BlueCrab...JonBenet did visit her little friend Megan Christmas Eve. This is when Megan's mom Barbara Kostanzick (sp) told LE about the Secret Santa conversation. She told JonBenet..."honey, Christmas is tonight."
 
  • #95
Toltec said:
BlueCrab...JonBenet did visit her little friend Megan Christmas Eve. This is when Megan's mom Barbara Kostanzick (sp) told LE about the Secret Santa conversation. She told JonBenet..."honey, Christmas is tonight."


Toltec,

I'm aware of JonBenet's and Barbara Kostanick'e conversation on Christmas Eve, but for some reason I pictured it taking place on the sidewalk at the Kostanick's. But after re-reading the passage on pg 50 of PMPT pb It appears the conversation took place in the house.
 
  • #96
Okay ...
Let's get back to the ranson note for a moment.

For argument sake,let's say it was either JR,PR,BR or a invited friend that accidentally killed Jonbenet.

They would have (to put it bluntly) been crapping in their pants while they were writing this note ...even if they had a few hours between the killing and calling the police.They had a lot of covering up to do,in a short amount of time.

That writing in that note would be so shaky,it would be hard to decifer.They just KILLED someone for heaven sake ... and not just any one it was a daughter/sister/friend ... so beside crapping their pants,they were also grief stricken.

It's not like they got comfortable at the kitchen counter with a cup of coffee ... and said let's see,lets write this three page note,and throw all kinds of stuff in there ... wait a minute,don't forget to remind them to bring a attache case,and get enough rest.No ... it would be shaky and to the point in my opnion.The writing does not look to me that whoever wrote it was under stress.It was pre-meditated.

And if it was pre-meditated,and if it was JR,PR,or BR and friend ...they deserve all the oscar awards ever for the calm performance at the White party just a few hours prior.
 
  • #97
Capps, I agree with your summarization that if a ramsey did commit the murder they would be highly anxious. I don't remember who it was, a professional, who said they had talked to many serial murders who said they were extremely jacked up after committing a murder.

It is part of the mystery, that's for sure.
 
  • #98
In addition to a woodworker to make the toilet seat, you'd have to hire Omar the Tentmaker to make the underwear.

LOL ... good one BlueCrab!
 
  • #99
duffy said:
Capps, I agree with your summarization that if a ramsey did commit the murder they would be highly anxious. I don't remember who it was, a professional, who said they had talked to many serial murders who said they were extremely jacked up after committing a murder.

It is part of the mystery, that's for sure.

Right Duffy ...

And even more so,if it was accidental and not expected,and you just killed someone you love.
 
  • #100
A point I slip in occasionally: If there had been an earlier abuse event by anyone, and there was a plan/ scheme (or just an exploring of the possibility) to explain anatomical changes in JBR for pediatricians, etc, it could have included a note written ahead of time. The note could have already been there whether it was the scheme that failed or if another abuse episode led to death.
 

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