PA PA - District Attorney Ray Gricar Mysteriously Disappeared - Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 *NamUs #MP1982* #18

[J. J. in Phila]

She is raising the "Ray is gay" possibilities:

She thinks it is walkaway. This is bad.

 

[minazoe]

Pat Brown is very good.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Pat Brown is very good.

This one was not.

RFG, in the course of 2 years (2001-3):

1. Divorced his second wife.

2. Ask another woman to marry him.

3. Moved in with a third woman.

4. And at some point during all of this was flirting with a waitress.

This does not give off a RuPaul vibe.

State College, even 40 years ago, was socially liberal and a safe place for someone LGBTQIA. Other counties would be different, but not Centre County, even in 2005.

Further, RFG is not planning to run for anything, so he does have to worry about losing votes. He is going to practice, so he is not worried about losing clients. He is not religious, so that is not it. From what I know of his family, they do not appear to be particularly hostile to gay people.

Brown might be good elsewhere, but not here.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

The part of the Susquehanna River System that runs through Lewisburg is the West Branch of the Susquehanna. It meets the main Susquehanna River downstream (south) at Northumberland. After they merge the Susquehanna, now with a lot more water, continues past Harrisburg and finally emptying into Chesapeake Bay at Harve De Grace, MD. I will refer to the part after they merge as the Lower Susquehanna, though that is not its official name.

It should be clear that something that went into the water in Lewisburg could float into the Lower Susquehanna and even into Chesapeake Bay

A few weeks ago, a linked video noted that a woman, Elizabeth Dorsaneo, drowned in the Lower Susquehanna in 2014. Her body has still not been discovered, though the body of her boyfriend, and the boat they were in, were found.

I have taken a look at drowning in the West Branch. I can find about 10 drownings, but none where the body was lost. There were not a lot of bodies. I would suspect that if RFG's body was in the West Branch, there is greater than a 90% chance that it would be found. There would still be a chance that it would still be missing.

In addition, a small child drowned after going into West Branch in 2018. She went in in Williamsport, which is north, upstream, from Lewisburg. Her body was found near Northumberland, which is south, downstream, from Lewisburg. Williamsport Dam - Wikipedia

I will be posting updated odds, where suicide will go up slightly, but that is completely based on river dynamics.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I gave the odds in 2025 as follows:

Walkaway: 73%

Foul Play: 26%

Something Else (including Suicide): 1%

Today, I will give the odds as:

Walkaway 71.5%

Foul Play 25.5%

Suicide 2.8%

Something Else 0.2%

 

[minazoe]

the only thing I can say about Pat Brown's podcast is that the GAY aspect has actually always been out there...even the red Mini Cooper was a part of the whole GAY theory...The short haircuts of his wives, etc. were all thought of as indicators as weird as it sounds ( it is weird) but not beyond the fray..

true there is not the stigma there once was...there is still a huge stigma and considering Patty was Italian and no doubt very Catholic, this would be hugely upsetting for her and her family...sure he could just break up with her and go on to live a private life, but if he was in a same sex relationship and wanted to be out of the closet , it would be discovered and talked about by many people and might color his reputation in terms of the falseness of who he presented himself as.

Also as a man of a certain generation he might feel incredibly shameful in some ways and might want to get far away from those
guilty awful feelings.

this said I do not think she was going far off the mark about Ray. there are many closeted and bisexual men who have married women and had multiple heterosexual marriages or relationships.

so in my view it is possible...not first on my list, but possible. that said , I think there would be rumors and talk and people possibly coming out and saying they had relations of some kind with him.

mOO

 

[J. J. in Phila]

the only thing I can say about Pat Brown's podcast is that the GAY aspect has actually always been out there...even the red Mini Cooper was a part of the whole GAY theory...The short haircuts of his wives, etc. were all thought of as indicators as weird as it sounds ( it is weird) but not beyond the fray..

true there is not the stigma there once was...there is still a huge stigma and considering Patty was Italian and no doubt very Catholic, this would be hugely upsetting for her and her family...sure he could just break up with her and go on to live a private life, but if he was in a same sex relationship and wanted to be out of the closet , it would be discovered and talked about by many people and might color his reputation in terms of the falseness of who he presented himself as.

Also as a man of a certain generation he might feel incredibly shameful in some ways and might want to get far away from those
guilty awful feelings.

this said I do not think she was going far off the mark about Ray. there are many closeted and bisexual men who have married women and had multiple heterosexual marriages or relationships.

so in my view it is possible...not first on my list, but possible. that said , I think there would be rumors and talk and people possibly coming out and saying they had relations of some kind with him.

mOO

Wife #2 had long blond hair.

The entire theory is "Ray-is-gay-cause-he-drove-a-Mini." While he presented a professional appearance, his close were not particularly stylish.

 

[minazoe]

well I'm just saying that Pat isn't the first to theorize about this and she was speaking about all the ongoing theories over the years...so while it is a sensitive issue and could be totally wrong, I don't feel like she was pushing it . mOO