GUILTY SC - Nine killed in Emanuel AME Church shooting, Charleston, 2015; Dylann Roof GUILTY #3

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Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 11m11 minutes ago
Now on the stand- Patrice Smith, who worked at the library with Cynthia Graham Hurd. #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 12m12 minutes ago
Smith said she had never really been into books. But an associate encouraged her to apply for job there. Now an avid reader. #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 12m12 minutes ago
Smith was "very rough around the edges... smart-mouthed" when she started. Cynthia Hurd "saw in me what I didn't see in myself." #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 9m9 minutes ago
Smith joked one day she was going to leave DART for St. Andrews branch. Next day, Hurd put an application for job there in front of Smith

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 9m9 minutes ago
Hurd encouraged her to apply. said "I know you can do this, I know you can do so much more." She got the job. #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 7m7 minutes ago
Smith said Cynthia constantly encouraged her in her job and personal life. Helped connect her with people and grow her career. #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 2m2 minutes ago
Smith said she was out of work for 8 months w/complicated pregnancy. Cynthia checked in all the time, made sure job was waiting. #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 1m1 minute ago
"It was like she was my work mother," Smith says of Cynthia. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 5m5 minutes ago
Smith reads sweet note from Cynthia comforting and encouraging her in a difficult time."You can bend, but don't break." #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 2m2 minutes ago
Called her 'boss lady' bc she took care of everything. Smith remembers her coming to work sad about her sister's cancer diagnosis.#RoofTRial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 1m1 minute ago
Smith: Cynthia was so proud of church history project she was working on. She said, "See you tomorrow," but tomorrow never came. #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 1m1 minute ago
Smith:After libraries opened after the shooting,smell of flowers filled building. Public support&dedication were beautiful,helped #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 11m11 minutes ago
Smith steps down from the stand. Govt calling its next witness. #RoofTrial
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Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 11m11 minutes ago
Next gov't witness is Najee Washington. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 10m10 minutes ago
Washington is Ethel Lance's granddaughter. She was raised by Lance. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 9m9 minutes ago
Najee Washington is Church shooting victim Ethel Lance's granddaughter. #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 8m8 minutes ago
Washington talks about how close she is to her cousin and her cousin's son, EJ, how much Lance loved EJ. #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 6m6 minutes ago
Washington talks about how her grandmother helped grandson, Gary, with a hearing disability; he helped her around the church. #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 4m4 minutes ago
Washington talking about a family picture at Christmas in 2014. Everyone was together in Charleston, music, food, great memories #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 1m1 minute ago
Washington talking about fam picture in Austin, TX. Everyone went there to celebrate Sharon's seminary school graduation. #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 3m3 minutes ago
"She was the matriarch of the family," Washington says. She says her death has had an impact. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 3m3 minutes ago
She says they haven't really been getting together on the holidays since Ethel Lance passed. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 3m3 minutes ago
Washington:Lance was matriarch of family. She was the glue. We haven't gotten together on holidays since she passed; it's so hard #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 3m3 minutes ago
Washington: "Granny believed in tough love," she says with a smile. Sharing memory of once talking back to teacher and Granny wasn't happy

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 2m2 minutes ago
Washington remembers that lesson from Lance. "I didn't teach you to disrespect your elders, I taught you better than that." #RoofTrial

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Glenn Smith ‏@glennsmith5 5m5 minutes ago
Najee pauses, wipes tears away. Says her granny was the one they all turned to for support #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 35s35 seconds ago
Washington: When Lance ushered @ church, I'd hang on her coattails. And Everyone knew,"Granny doesn't walk, Granny struts!" #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 56s56 seconds ago
Shares pic of Lance &Washington taking an adorable selfie in church, evidently at Rev. Pinckney's request, Sunday before shooting #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 2m2 minutes ago
Photo on screen of Najee and Ethel Lance was taken the Sunday before her death. It's a selfie - taken at the #EmanuelAME.

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 27s27 seconds ago
Washington: Granny mostly took care of others, but splurged on her favorite things for herself sometimes- manicures and perfume. #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 2m2 minutes ago
Rev. Pinckney started "selfie Sunday" at the church, would tell everyone to take out their phones and snap a photo. #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 4m4 minutes ago
Lance was a big gift-giver, Najee said. "No one was left out." She also loved to cook. Najee said she wished she got more of her recipes.

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 3m3 minutes ago
Trouble was, Lance didn't really have recipes. "There were no measuring cups. It was a couple dashes of this, a spritz of this," Najee said.

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 4m4 minutes ago
The granddaughter of Ethel Lance says her granny was quite the cook. Mac & Cheese, Collards, and Shrimp & Grits. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 2m2 minutes ago
Lance "Loved gospel," Najee said. "Her favorite song was 'One Day At A Time.'" #RoofTrial

[video=youtube;JhUvFqOY00I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhUvFqOY00I[/video]

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 22s22 seconds ago
Washington telling story about walking Ravenel bridge with her Granny, sharing pictures of that memory together. Lance was 70 #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 5m5 minutes ago
Najee & Lance had breakfast together on June 17, 2015. Talked about their day. Najee left the house, they said "I love you." #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 8m8 minutes ago
Washington remembers some of her granny's final words to her: "I love you." #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 2m2 minutes ago
Someone starts sobbing in the courtroom as Washington describes hearing about her Granny's death. Washington steps down. #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 2m2 minutes ago
After that tearful testimony, she's asked to step down. No cross-examination from Roof. Afternoon break now. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial
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The Post and Courier Retweeted
Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 7m7 minutes ago
I remember hearing Najee speak at the funeral of Ethel Lance, It was a beautiful service:

At funeral for Ethel Lance, family says she is ‘symbol of love’

http://www.postandcourier.com/archi...cle_79a5423f-5229-5fe2-8c18-161a629fea2f.html

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Seems no one but Carter Coyle is tweeting now (Fla. shooting), so I'll post what I have right now :sheesh:
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Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 3m3 minutes ago
Rev.Sharon Washington Risher takes the stand. #RoofTrial Eldest daughter of Ethel Lance. Lives in Charlotte, but I've seen her here daily.

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 3m3 minutes ago
Up now is Rev. Sharon Risher, the eldest daughter of Ethel Lance. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 2m2 minutes ago
Risher: Talks about picture of her mom and daddy. Pic dated 2/17/79.

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 1m1 minute ago
Risher smiles as she recalls how her parents would pop by her college and visit often, sometimes unannounced, bring care packages #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 2m2 minutes ago
Risher: Describing picture of all five siblings, Lance's children, when they were young.#RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 53s53 seconds ago
Risher: Shows pic of her own 2 children with their Grandmother, Lance.They were close and tried to visit as much as they could. #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 3m3 minutes ago
Sharon received a scholarship to go to seminary school in TX. Graduated in 2007. References pic from earlier of everyone visiting #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 2m2 minutes ago
Proseuctors show pic /seminary graduation. "Who's this?" Prosecutor prompts. "It's mama," Risher says, voice cracking with tears. #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 2m2 minutes ago
Risher about mom:To be 14 &give birth to biracial child was just not common in those days. But Mama hung on. Dealt w/guilt,shame. #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 2m2 minutes ago
"Her life's work was to make sure circumstances that happened in her life were not going to happen in mine," Risher explains. #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 4m4 minutes ago
Risher: Any time you came to mama's house, you left with something in your hand. Food,house items; She was a giver from the heart #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 3m3 minutes ago
Risher: Mama said a lady always needs to carry a handkerchief and to smell good. Remembers lining up for spritz of perfume. #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 58s59 seconds ago
Risher:Mama hinted at a perfume she wanted. Risher sent it to her. Perfume was delivered on June 17. "I wished I sent it earlier."#RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 3m3 minutes ago
Risher bought her mom nice perfume as a gift, but sent it a little late. Package delivered June 17.
"I wish I had sent the perfume earlier."

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 1m1 minute ago
"Being at Emanuel touched something in them," Risher said of Lance joining church with her mom. "She just blossomed as a person after that."

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 4m4 minutes ago
Risher: When she joined Mother Emanuel, "She just blossomed as a person, had an unbreakable faith that really played out." #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 46s47 seconds ago
Rev Risher: Says Ethel Lance used to praise Rev Sharonda Singleton and her preaching. "Maybe hinting I needed to pep it up!" #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 9s10 seconds ago
Rev Risher: Remembers first time her mom heard her preach, prasied God and clapped for her, realizing it was indeed her calling. #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 2m2 minutes ago
Risher: She was the one person in the world that no matter what happened, she loved you unconditionally. Now that she's gone... #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 1m1 minute ago
Risher: Mama held our family together. June 17, 2015, there was no more material. Just holes and tattered pieces. #RoofTrial #EthelLance

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 1m1 minute ago
"She was everything to all of us," Risher on Lance- the one that kept family close. "Now, we don't have anybody to bring us together."

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 2m2 minutes ago
Stepped outside for PM Roof live updates. Standing by pending FL breaking news. Follow @ChadKMills @AshleighHNews for courthouse updates

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The Post and Courier ‏@postandcourier 2m2 minutes ago
"They're all in heaven doing a happy dance," Sharon Risher said after Dylann Roof was found guilty. http://bit.ly/2ikU6aJ #RoofTrial

[video=twitter;817468851701055488]https://twitter.com/postandcourier/status/817468851701055488[/video]
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Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 5m5 minutes ago
Walter Jackson, Jr., the grandson of Susie Jackson, is up now. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 10m10 minutes ago
Jackson steps down. His son, Walter Jackson Jr., called to the stand. Susie's "Oldest and favorite grandson," he said. Court laughs.

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 4m4 minutes ago
He says Emanuel AME was very important to his grandmother. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 4m4 minutes ago
"Grandma Susie used to always make sure I was sharp...& that we were definitely at church on Sunday," he said, referring to #EmanuelAME

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 4m4 minutes ago
"I was baptized at Mother Emanuel," he says. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 3m3 minutes ago
The gov't pulls up a picture of Walter's three smiling young grandkids with Susie Jackson, their great-grandmother. @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 41s42 seconds ago
In the picture, the grandkids are pointing to Jackson's name on a plaque at Emanuel AME. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 5m5 minutes ago
"She showed us the ropes as far as putting God first," Walter Jr. said of Susie. #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 6m6 minutes ago
"She showed us the ropes as far as putting God first," Walter Jr. said of Susie. #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 5m5 minutes ago
When in town, Susie took grandchildren to #EmanuelAME for Sunday school, church & Bible study, Walter Jr. said. #RoofTrial

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 3m3 minutes ago
"She was truly a matriarch of the family and also very dedicated to Mother Emanuel," Walter Jr. said of Susie. "I had a cool grandmother."

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 2m2 minutes ago
Testimony from Susie Jackson's grandson in #RoofTrial from my colleague @BradDickerson80

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 4m4 minutes ago
"She was 87 when she passed. As someone who's gone through racism and segregation, she went through life with love for everyone," he said.

The Post and Courier ‏@postandcourier 2m2 minutes ago
"She went through life with love for everyone," says Susie Jackson's grandson in #RoofTrial. Susie's story: http://bit.ly/2iauEoj .

Susie Jackson

http://www.postandcourier.com/susie-jackson/article_31307858-cd45-11e6-a29c-1b95cad0d3e9.html

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 1m1 minute ago
Walter reads a poem he wrote his grandmother, Susie Jackson, back in 1998 on her 70th birthday. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 23s23 seconds ago
"To give to give is what you believe," he reads from the poem. "And that is what it takes to inspire a nation." #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 32s33 seconds ago
Incredibly moving tribute from Susie Jackson's grandson, testifying in #RoofTrial right now

Carter Coyle Live 5 ‏@CarterCoyleWCSC 2m2 minutes ago
More memories from Susie Jackson's grandson, testifying in #RoofTrial @BradDickerson80

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Abigail Darlington ‏@A_Big_Gail 5m5 minutes ago
"She did inspire a nation," Susie's grandson says in closing. No questions from #DylannRoof. He steps down. Jury is dismissed.
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The Post and Courier ‏@postandcourier 1h1 hour ago
Cynthia Hurd's brother testifying in #RoofTrial about his sister, who was his "protector & counselor." Her story: http://bit.ly/2iDL2i3 .

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FBI agent: Dylann Roof reached out to other white supremacists before church shooting

"...Special Agent Joseph Hamski told a federal jury that he found postings and private messages from a computer in Roof's Eastover home to Stormfront.org, a popular white supremacist web site. The postings were made from an account called "LilAryan," registered to Roof's email address.

Roof initially posted on the website in February 2015 to praise "Skinheads USA: Soldiers of the Race War," a 1993 HBO documentary about white supremacists in Alabama, Hamski said. He then sent seven private messages on the website, including some to Stormfront members in the Columbia area seeking to get together. He offered his age, race and email address, he said.

It was not immediately clear from Hamski's testimony whether any of those proposed meet-ups took place...

If he stays the course, U.S. District Judge Richard Gergel said closing arguments would be held Tuesday morning. Then, the case would go to the jury..."

http://www.postandcourier.com/churc...cle_b079eb56-d404-11e6-ab8b-3b2091783476.html
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LIVE: Feds say Roof had crudely drawn white nationalist symbols on jail shoes

http://www.wistv.com/story/34199631...drawn-white-nationalist-symbols-on-jail-shoes
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At Dylann Roof trial, a grieving brother speaks: ‘My heart ... is broken’

"CHARLESTON
In a powerful juxtaposition Friday, federal prosecutors in the Dylann Roof sentencing trial flashed the killer’s birth certificate on video screens throughout the courtroom. It was followed by the death notices of his nine victims, each gunned down during a June 2015 prayer service at Emanuel AME Zion Church.

Cynthia Hurd’s government form appeared third on the screen, with the standard information about name, age and address.

Her brother took it from there.

For more than 45 minutes on the witness stand, Malcolm Graham filled in the important details about his big sister, whose death he’s still grieving.

“My heart ... is broken,” Graham said, pausing to gather his emotions as he answered a prosecutor’s question about what Hurd’s murder had meant. “My friend. My counselor. My mother. My life coach.

“When I found out about her passing, I was totally lost ... There’s something missing. I can’t go the store to replace it. I can’t reinvent it.”..."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article124960509.html
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Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 42s42 seconds ago
The court is in recess until Monday morning. Gov't will call family/friends of Tywanza Sanders then. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

 

[MsMtOlympus]

The "Don Black" that is on the gov't witness list is the founder/owner of Stormfront. Just this year, the Washington Post published a great piece on Black's son, Derek Black, who renounced his racist worldview and cut himself off from the "white pride" movement that his parents still belong to. Derek Black was the presumptive heir to the throne of the movement but began questioning his own beliefs during his time in college.

I will always wonder if this massacre would have happened if Roof had gone to college, had a better quality circle of friends, had traveled internationally, etc. or if a crime of this nature and magnitude was the inevitable with Roof.

Link to article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...50061aa9fae_story.html?utm_term=.b9e58499049a

 

[MsMtOlympus]

There are tearjerkers, intellectual foreign films, and a nod to an appreciation of skilled cinematography on Roof's favorite films list. Some of these films are so human, so poignant. What in the hell went wrong and when did it go wrong with DR? How could he love The Notebook for example and yet be as cold and unfeeling as he clearly is? It is possible he can recognize and even appreciate depictions of empathy yet still possess none of his own?

(This can't be stated enough but YESorNO, I so appreciate your all your efforts in this case. Thanks again for all the hard work!)

 

[lonetraveler]

I do believe that some can be born without compassion for others. We have seen cases in the past where the history of the murderer showed at a very young age they were not like other kids their age. They were already hurting children who were young like they were or showed uncontrollable rage at a very young age. At the age of 8 Joseph Duncan was already raping little five year old boys. Although I do believe his mother was an enabler though and his environment allowed his psychopathic traits to grow stronger and stronger. The mental health doctors diagnosed him as untreatable at a very early age.

I also read an article last year about a 9 year old that was already a psychopath even though legally he couldn't be labeled as such until the age of 18.

I certainly believe Roof is a full blown psychopath and they do not have the ability to have emotions/compassion or true feelings for anyone but themselves. Being a psychopath is not considered a mental illness by judicial standards so it wouldn't be a viable defense. He certainly knew what he did was wrong and that is why he fled. Again the psychopath only cares about themselves. They use others as mere tools to gain their own goals even their close family members.

Roof is cold to the bone with no remorse whatsoever and will never feel any remorse. He cant fake what he doesn't feel although some do try to mimic normalcy but only if it gives them an advantage in someway. Even when they try to fake normalcy it comes across as odd and flat with no emotions that other human beings possess.

In DR we are really looking into the face of pure evil who is devoid of all human compassion and kindness. He will continue to believe murdering these totally innocent people was justified. He is like Jodi Arias another psychopath, among so many others, who will always believe Travis deserved what he got. They are really a very frightening kind of murderer and extremely dangerous. They don't break a sweat when carrying out the most heinous acts imaginable. They see it simply as a mission they are going to carryout and complete.

The only good thing about this is he will be given the death penalty for what he has done even if some of the victims family members wants him spared. His crime is just too heinous filled with hateful racism for him to be spared. The jury will listen intently to what the victims families have said but in the end they will weigh his sentence based on all that he did to those who were loving, accepting, and kind to him. By giving him the death penalty they will be sending a strong message to the community and country that murders committed by hate filled racists will not be tolerated and when they do happen the defendant will be given the harshest punishment allowed by law and in SC the DP is the harshest punishment that can be handed down.

Its too bad that so many appeals slow the execution date down. This man has no redeeming value or a reason to be spared. IMO

You are right, Zen, we will never fully understand this kind of evil that murderers and mass murderers do. All I know at the root of it all it seems they are filled with evil and in this case DR was possessed with racial hatred and an obsession to kill those who he didn't even know who were totally innocent wonderful Christian human beings. He knew he would make an infamous name for himself by targeting the most loving and kind AAs in Charleston. I know I will never fully understand evil nor will I ever understand how anyone could have racial hatred in their heart for anyone.

OT: Albany, Georgia and surrounding area counties including ours in southwest Georgia sustained massage damage from 89MPH straight line winds and tornadoes on Monday night-early Tuesday morning, In the south there are many AAs living here along with many whites and other races. It has been so heartwarming but not surprising to see all races working side by side to help those who have no power, heat or have massive trees down in their yards or trees which have fallen on many homes. All races have come together to give much needed hugs and comfort during this trying time. That has always been the relationship all of us here have with each other so DR doing something this horrific to these beautiful people is so foreign to me. All of us pleasantly interact with each other on a daily basis and this is the way its been for as long as I can remember. [emoji813]

Great post. So well stated.

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[cujenn81]

I do believe that some can be born without compassion for others. We have seen cases in the past where the history of the murderer showed at a very young age they were not like other kids their age. They were already hurting children who were young like they were or showed uncontrollable rage at a very young age. At the age of 8 Joseph Duncan was already raping little five year old boys. Although I do believe his mother was an enabler though and his environment allowed his psychopathic traits to grow stronger and stronger. The mental health doctors diagnosed him as untreatable at a very early age.

I also read an article last year about a 9 year old that was already a psychopath even though legally he couldn't be labeled as such until the age of 18.

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SBM for focus...

I think I read the same article you're talking about and it was the most disturbing thing I've ever read in my life!! The article I read described a child so incredibly malevolent and manipulative that using the term "disturbing" is actually a gross understatement.

ETA - this is the article I'm referring to: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/magazine/can-you-call-a-9-year-old-a-psychopath.html

"By the time he turned 5, Michael had developed an uncanny ability to switch from full-blown anger to moments of pure rationality or calculated charm — a facility that Anne describes as deeply unsettling. “You never know when you’re going to see a proper emotion,” she said. She recalled one argument, over a homework assignment, when Michael shrieked and wept as she tried to reason with him. “I said: ‘Michael, remember the brainstorming we did yesterday? All you have to do is take your thoughts from that and turn them into sentences, and you’re done!’ He’s still screaming bloody murder, so I say, ‘Michael, I thought we brainstormed so we could avoid all this drama today.’ He stopped dead, in the middle of the screaming, turned to me and said in this flat, adult voice, ‘Well, you didn’t think that through very clearly then, did you?’"

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[MsMtOlympus]

SBM for focus...

I think I read the same article you're talking about and it was the most disturbing thing I've ever read in my life!! The article I read described a child so incredibly malevolent and manipulative that using the term "disturbing" is actually a gross understatement.

ETA - this is the article I'm referring to: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/magazine/can-you-call-a-9-year-old-a-psychopath.html

"By the time he turned 5, Michael had developed an uncanny ability to switch from full-blown anger to moments of pure rationality or calculated charm — a facility that Anne describes as deeply unsettling. “You never know when you’re going to see a proper emotion,” she said. She recalled one argument, over a homework assignment, when Michael shrieked and wept as she tried to reason with him. “I said: ‘Michael, remember the brainstorming we did yesterday? All you have to do is take your thoughts from that and turn them into sentences, and you’re done!’ He’s still screaming bloody murder, so I say, ‘Michael, I thought we brainstormed so we could avoid all this drama today.’ He stopped dead, in the middle of the screaming, turned to me and said in this flat, adult voice, ‘Well, you didn’t think that through very clearly then, did you?’"

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BBM. Man, you weren't kidding were you? That article is so disturbing on so many levels. I read through the comments and while I agree with the frequent assessment that Michael is a physical and emotional danger to his siblings and that something has to be done about this aspect, I didn't come across one actual serious-minded proposed solution to this dilemma. For example, does he even qualify to be institutionalized? And if so, is that even recommended at his young age? If not, is there just cause in this situation for the Department of Children and Families to remove the siblings? What would be the long-term consequences for the family of such an extreme decision? So many complicated questions here. I can't begin to imagine what it's like to be in Michael's parents' shoes for even one day.

Wonder at what age DR began to present signs of sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies...

 

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Very disturbing article indeed

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At Dylann Roof’s Trial, a Question of How Many Tears Are Too Many

"...Impact statements at capital trials — and the legal questions surrounding them — rose to prominence in the 1980s as victims’ rights advocates won public support, including the passage of a law that altered the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. But in 1987, the United States Supreme Court ruled that such evidence in capital cases was a “constitutionally unacceptable risk.”

Four years later, it reversed that position when it ruled in Payne v. Tennessee. “Victim impact evidence is simply another form or method of informing the sentencing authority about the specific harm caused by the crime in question,” Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist wrote for the 6-to-3 majority...

Mr. Roof’s choice to not call witnesses means that jurors will “not hear that evidence which tends to dampen the emotional effect” of grieving relatives, said Scott E. Sundby, a law professor at the University of Miami who has studied juror behavior in capital cases.

Victim impact witnesses cannot, by law, opine about the penalty they prefer..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/08/u...l?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share
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Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 1h1 hour ago
In 5 min, the penalty phase in #DylannRoof's federal trial will continue. Prosecution hopes to wrap up its case today. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 1h1 hour ago
This AM we'll finish hearing testimony from family of Susie Jackson. Then we'll hear from family of Tywanza Sanders. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 59m59 minutes ago
Court in session. Judge Richard Gergel enters. Day 4 in the penalty phase underway now. Jury brought in. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 59m59 minutes ago
#DylannRoof sits at the table, flipping through paperwork. He wears a maroon colored sweater. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 57m57 minutes ago
The government's first witness today is Shirrene Goss, the sister of Tywanza Sanders. #sctweets @wis10 #DylannRoof #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 57m57 minutes ago
Goss lives in #DuncanSC. #sctweets @wis10 #DylannRoof #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 57m57 minutes ago
Goss says she went to Clemson University. When asked about if she's excited about tonight's game, "Very!" #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 57m57 minutes ago
She went to @ClemsonUniv. "Excited about tonight?" Prosecutor Richardson asks. "Very," she answers. #sctweets @wis10 #DylannRoof #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 57m57 minutes ago
Goss says she was 13.5 years older than Tywanza. Says she was excited when he was born. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 57m57 minutes ago
Goss says she changed a lot of Tywanza's diapers when he was younger, because their parents worked. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 56m56 minutes ago
"We spent a lot of time together," Goss says of her brother, Tywanza Sanders. #sctweets @wis10 #DylannRoof #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 55m55 minutes ago
Goss says Tywanza would seek advice from her. Said they were pretty much joined at the hip. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 55m55 minutes ago
Goss says Tywanza would seek advice from her. Said they were pretty much joined at the hip. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 55m55 minutes ago
A picture is shown to court on Goss's wedding day. Tywanza seen hugging her. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 53m53 minutes ago
Goss says Tywanza was very determined. "He was very headstrong," she adds. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 54m54 minutes ago
"Tywanza was very very determined," she says. "Anything that he wanted to try he would try." #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 51m51 minutes ago
Sister testifies that Tywanza got his barbering license while in school. He did a bit of modeling too. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 53m53 minutes ago
Goss adds that Tywanza was a social butterfly. Says he had a unique style. Dabbled in modeling. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 52m52 minutes ago
Goss says while Tywanza was trying to get through college, he got his barber license. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 51m51 minutes ago
"One of the things I admired about him was he wasn't afraid to try [things]," Goss says. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 51m51 minutes ago
"I think he had a great amount of fearlessness," she says. "I almost can say I never saw any fear except one time." @wis10 #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 49m49 minutes ago
Goss adds her brother was very affectionate. "His gift to us was loving on us." #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 51m51 minutes ago
That one time? She says he was afraid to flush the toilet when he was a few years old. Courtroom laughs. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 49m49 minutes ago
Goss says her brother, Tywanza, was the "fun uncle" to her children. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 49m49 minutes ago
Prosecution now asks Goss questions about Tywanza as an uncle. "He was the fun uncle," she says. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 46m46 minutes ago
Goss says her youngest son was 9 weeks old when Tywanza was killed. Picture shown of Tywanza holding his nephew. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 47m47 minutes ago
Goss says he was very excited to have a nephew. "He talked about all the things he wanted to teach him." #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 43m43 minutes ago
She says Tywanza commonly used these hashtags on social media: #grindovermatter #ambition #determination #giveGodcredit #moneymotivatemoney.

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 42m42 minutes ago
Goss says Tywanza was a great uncle. Explains the meaning behind some of these hashtags. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 41m41 minutes ago
Goss says she misses Tywanza coming out to greet her at her car when she would come to visit. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 42m42 minutes ago
"I never really saw him down," Tywanza's sister says. "He wasn't one of those people that had a pity party." #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 41m41 minutes ago
"I miss not being able to see him in love, and get married," Goss says about Tywanza. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 39m39 minutes ago
Goss says she sad her youngest son will never get to know his uncle, Tywanza. "We'll have to talk about him." #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 39m39 minutes ago
No further questions from Govt. No cross examination. Goss steps down. Govt. calls Tyrone Sanders, Tywanza's dad. #chsnews #RoofTrial
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Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 40m40 minutes ago
"Your honor, the government calls Tyrone Sanders," Prosecutor Richardson says. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 38m38 minutes ago
Tyrone says Tywanza was his son for the 26 years of his life. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 38m38 minutes ago
Tyrone Sanders says he worked two full time jobs for 15 years in order to support his family. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 35m35 minutes ago
Tyrone now talks about his Aunt Susie - Susie Jackson. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 36m36 minutes ago
Tyrone says if there were any arguments in the family, "She would be the one to try and solve it." #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 32m32 minutes ago
Tyrone says Tywanza always had a lot of energy. Wanted to play baseball and football - but just recreational. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 30m30 minutes ago
Gov't introduces some new pictures. First shows Tyrone holding a one-and-a-half year-old Tywanza. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 31m31 minutes ago
Tyrone recalls the memory of Tywanza's first steps. Says he was around 10 months old. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 29m29 minutes ago
Tyrone says Tywanza loved making money - even at a young age. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 30m30 minutes ago
Tyrone says Tywanza Sanders graduated from @DenmarkTechSC and then @AllenUniv. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 26m26 minutes ago
Tyrone now discusses this picture of him and Tywanza, It was at SAU's homecoming in 2014. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 29m29 minutes ago
Tyrone says he enjoyed taking Tywanza on fishing trips. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 29m29 minutes ago
"We became road dogs," Tywanza's father says. "Wherever I went, he wanted to ride." #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 26m26 minutes ago
"I miss fishing with him, I miss him being on the road with me, I miss the debates we used to have," Tywanza's father says #RoofTrial @wis10

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 25m25 minutes ago
Tyrone says he misses fishing with Tywanza, being on the road with him, the debates they used to have... #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 26m26 minutes ago
"I just wish he was here," he continues. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 25m25 minutes ago
"I just wish he was here," Tyrone says. No further questions from govt. No cross-examination. Tyrone Sanders steps down. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 26m26 minutes ago
He's asked to step down. #DylannRoof has no cross-examination. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial
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Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 33m33 minutes ago
Govt calls Felicia Sanders, Tywanza's mother. She testified during the guilt phase of #DylannRoof's federal trial. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 34m34 minutes ago
Felicia Sanders testified first for the gov't during guilt phase. Now, she'll be last for gov't in penalty phase #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 32m32 minutes ago
First, she talks about her aunt, Susie Jackson. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 34m34 minutes ago
Govt first wants to ask Felicia questions about her Aunt Susie. "She was my friend. She was very close to me," she says. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 32m32 minutes ago
Felicia says Susie loved her sisters. "They were called the Jackson 5," Felicia recalls. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 32m32 minutes ago
Felicia says Susie was the person you could always go to and depend on. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 32m32 minutes ago
Now, the gov't asks her about her son, Tywanza Sanders. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 31m31 minutes ago
Felicia says during her pregnancy w/ Tywanza doctors said he wouldn't see light of day because of tumors in her stomach. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 31m31 minutes ago
Felicia said she was adamant about carrying Tywanza 9 months and giving birth to him naturally. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 30m30 minutes ago
Govt moves to admit photo evidence. Roof objects to "the amount of photos" - I believe I heard him say. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 31m31 minutes ago
Roof seemed to object to the "amount of photos" the gov't now attempts to introduce. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 30m30 minutes ago
The photos are of Tywanza Sanders. Felicia, his mother, is currently on the stand. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 30m30 minutes ago
"I'm going to overrule all of the objections," Judge Richard Gergel says. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 30m30 minutes ago
One of the photos govt wants to admit includes Tywanza with several of the other victims. Judge overrules objection. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 29m29 minutes ago
Felicia says Tywanza's favorite cartoon was Ninja Turtles. Said she bought him clothes and underwear w/ characters on it #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills@ChadKMills
She says she bought him Ninja Turtle underwear, because if he wet his pants "the turtle would bite him you know where," she says. #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 31m31 minutes ago
Courtroom laughs out loud at this statement. Felicia says he never wet his bed. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 24m24 minutes ago
Judge Gergel smiles and rocks in his chair as Felicia Sanders tells sweet, funny stories about her son, Tywanza. #sctweets @wis10 #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 29m29 minutes ago
Felicia says she never had to worry about Tywanza as a little kid. Says he was the baby in the crowd. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 27m27 minutes ago
Picture now shown to court of Tywanza escorting Felicia down isle at his sister's wedding at #MotherEmanuel. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 26m26 minutes ago
Felicia says they wanted Tywanza to work for his good grades. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 22m22 minutes ago
Felicia says when Tywanza graduated from college he, "wanted to run the whole house." #chsnews #RoofTrial

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 22m22 minutes ago
"Tywanza came back home, and he wanted to run the whole house," she says of her son after he graduated @AllenUniv. @wis10 #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 23m23 minutes ago
Felicia says when she broke the news to her family about her having cancer, Tywanza didn't leave during the surgery. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 23m23 minutes ago
"He did everything, everything. He was my hand and foot," Felicia says about Tywanza while he was in the hospital w/ her #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 22m22 minutes ago
Felicia says in this picture she and Tywanza walked the Ravenel Bridge after her surgery. #chsnews #RoofTrial

Karina Bolster ‏@KRBolster 22m22 minutes ago
"This is my baby," Felicia says about Tywanza. "He was something else." #chsnews #RoofTrial
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