Other Sheriff Chris Nano's issues/recall/votes of no confidence/past suspensions

[Andreee]

I live in Pima County, voted against Nanos the last 2 elections, and do not accept responsibility for what happened to Nancy! He only won the last election by less than 500 votes and did everything he could to shut down his opponent's run for the office (one of his own deputies who ran against him!!) Please don't paint Tucson & Pima County residents with such a negative brush because there was a lot going on behind the scenes in the sheriff's department that the general public didn't know about. Over the last couple of years the deputies started speaking out, quitting, and all the s--t became public. There was already no way he would have been re-elected in the next election, before this case. It's unfair of you to blame everyone in Pima County.

Absolutely! I find supporters of sheriff Nanos to basically have blinders on, whereby they completely overlook and refuse to consider his shortcomings. So frustrating! The blame for his shoddy leadership should be on him!

 

[Andreee]

The person sowing distrust and destroying morale is Nanos!!! NO ONE trusts or supports him anymore.

I agree completely! And I do not understand why some posters insist on supporting this obviously inept sheriff who has multiple disciplinary actions against him in the past and an ego the size of Trump's lol. It beggars belief!

 

[shonyakay]

Absolutely! I find supporters of sheriff Nanos to basically have blinders on, whereby they completely overlook and refuse to consider his shortcomings. So frustrating! The blame for his shoddy leadership should be on him!

I think the blinders are on those who constantly show disdain for him based on misinformation.

Regardless of what percentage of votes he won by, he still won. Which means the people who voted for him shouldn't have their votes discounted just because his political opponents are drumming up mass hysteria against him with this recall effort.

 

[moxiemom]

I think the blinders are on those who constantly show disdain for him based on misinformation.

Regardless of what percentage of votes he won by, he still won. Which means the people who voted for him shouldn't have their votes discounted just because his political opponents are drumming up mass hysteria against him with this recall effort.

With all due respect: It's unfortunate that the person driving the recall effort is doing it for political reasons and feels he will benefit from it in the next election. That does not negate the fact that Nanos has not only lost his support within the department but from a majority of Tucsonans. This case has just amplified the fact that he needs to be gone.

 

[shonyakay]

I agree completely! And I do not understand why some posters insist on supporting this obviously inept sheriff who has multiple disciplinary actions against him in the past and an ego the size of Trump's lol. It beggars belief!

Unlike some, I was brought up to respect Law Enforcement - unless given a reason not to.

Please tell me just one thing that proves that Sheriff Nanos negatively effected Nancy and/or this investigation. I'll wait.

 

[shonyakay]

That does not negate the fact that Nanos has not only lost his support within the department but from a majority of Tucsonans. This case has just amplified the fact that he needs to be gone.

With all due respect back - let that play out at the ballot box.

 

[moxiemom]

With all due respect back - let that play out at the ballot box.

I don't want to go back & forth with you, Shony. We will have to just agree to disagree on our opinion of Nanos.

 

[Rush4087]

The FBI has statutory authority over a kidnapping for ransom. They have had jurisdiction over the case since day 2.

JMO.

No, the PCSO has led the multi-agency investigation from the beginning. The FBI has assisted.

Disappearance of Nancy Guthrie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Imo PCSO intentionally released the scene (after only 20-22 hours) - before the FBI could show up. In that sense, it was already a contaminated scene when the FBI got there. Can you take fingerprints on top of fingerprint dust? Collect DNA after however many local investigators have walked around, touched things, moved things?

How would the FBI know if a door was open or propped open? By who? Would PCSO investigators have left it that way? How would they know if the door cam was taken by the perps - or by the PCSO?

I believe Nanos harbors a grudge against the FBI from the past (this has been discussed earlier in thread), and intentionally closed them out of early involvement, thinking he might only need them for cell phone / GPS / digital analysis. Jmo

Nanos himself acknowledged in an interview that "officers believed they had released the crime scene prematurely". (BE)

To me it boggles the mind that PCSO investigators, upon seeing significant drops and aspirated blood on the front porch, a missing front door bell camera, and lantana on the ground under the camera location -could leave without taking the camera bracket, the door mat, and the lantana back to the lab for possible (additional or future) forensics testing.

And now some are raising questions re: the lack of experience by the lead detective?

It's not just BE's reporting re: Nanos and PCSO that is shining a light on the mistakes made by Nanos and his department. You don't have to look very hard online to find dozens and dozens of articles about Nanos' controversial past in LE and accusations of poor leadership, favoritism, retribution, and disciplinary history. You will also discover that this has been going on a long time.

Whether it was technically wrong for Nanos to attend an Arizona basketball game in the front rows just days into the investigation, it drew unnecessary negative attention to the investigation. In my opinion the decision to attend added fuel to the fire for those already questioning his judgement.

The Pima County Deputies Organization (PCDO) voted unanimously to express "no confidence" in Nanos and call for his resignation.

Nancy Guthrie sheriff Chris Nanos urged to resign after deputies’ union votes ‘no confidence’

The Arizona sheriff leading the fruitless effort to find Savannah Guthrie’s missing mother received a unanimous “no confidence” vote from a large police union of his underlings, c…

nypost.com

I think Nanos' premature release of the crime scene harmed this case, and I think most observers agree (jmo). I have seen zero evidence to support that there has been any conspiracy on the part of the FBI to make Nanos and/or PCSO look bad.

Jmo

 

[tricia]

Hey Everyone.
If you are looking for your posts about Sheriff Nano's I've moved some to the specifc thread about the Sheriff.
CLICK HERE FOR SHERIFF NANO'S THREAD
Look, this isn't going to be a hard rule that you must only discuss Sheriff Nano's on his specific thread, but if you can remember to check the thread and discuss the Sheriff there as much as possible, I would appreciate it.
Thanks
Tricia

 

[MerlinFalcon]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2040119068296888376

 

[Andreee]

No, the PCSO has led the multi-agency investigation from the beginning. The FBI has assisted.

Disappearance of Nancy Guthrie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Imo PCSO intentionally released the scene (after only 20-22 hours) - before the FBI could show up. In that sense, it was already a contaminated scene when the FBI got there. Can you take fingerprints on top of fingerprint dust? Collect DNA after however many local investigators have walked around, touched things, moved things?

How would the FBI know if a door was open or propped open? By who? Would PCSO investigators have left it that way? How would they know if the door cam was taken by the perps - or by the PCSO?

I believe Nanos harbors a grudge against the FBI from the past (this has been discussed earlier in thread), and intentionally closed them out of early involvement, thinking he might only need them for cell phone / GPS / digital analysis. Jmo

Nanos himself acknowledged in an interview that "officers believed they had released the crime scene prematurely". (BE)

To me it boggles the mind that PCSO investigators, upon seeing significant drops and aspirated blood on the front porch, a missing front door bell camera, and lantana on the ground under the camera location -could leave without taking the camera bracket, the door mat, and the lantana back to the lab for possible (additional or future) forensics testing.

And now some are raising questions re: the lack of experience by the lead detective?

It's not just BE's reporting re: Nanos and PCSO that is shining a light on the mistakes made by Nanos and his department. You don't have to look very hard online to find dozens and dozens of articles about Nanos' controversial past in LE and accusations of poor leadership, favoritism, retribution, and disciplinary history. You will also discover that this has been going on a long time.

Whether it was technically wrong for Nanos to attend an Arizona basketball game in the front rows just days into the investigation, it drew unnecessary negative attention to the investigation. In my opinion the decision to attend added fuel to the fire for those already questioning his judgement.

The Pima County Deputies Organization (PCDO) voted unanimously to express "no confidence" in Nanos and call for his resignation.

Nancy Guthrie sheriff Chris Nanos urged to resign after deputies’ union votes ‘no confidence’

The Arizona sheriff leading the fruitless effort to find Savannah Guthrie’s missing mother received a unanimous “no confidence” vote from a large police union of his underlings, c…

nypost.com

I think Nanos' premature release of the crime scene harmed this case, and I think most observers agree (jmo). I have seen zero evidence to support that there has been any conspiracy on the part of the FBI to make Nanos and/or PCSO look bad.

Jmo

There is no doubt that the crime scene was released too early, even Nanos admits that. It impacted the investigation. IMO.

 

[shonyakay]

There is no doubt that the crime scene was released too early, even Nanos admits that. It impacted the investigation. IMO.

Please share Nanos' quote where he said that he released the crime scene too soon.

You all keep attacking Nanos all you want to - hopefully it gives his team and him that much more determination to find Nancy and the SOB who did this.

 

[Andreee]

Please share Nanos' quote where he said that he released the crime scene too soon.

You all keep attacking Nanos all you want to - hopefully it gives his team and him that much more determination to find Nancy and the SOB who did this.

It is about halfway down. We arent attacking so please,it is legitimate criticism. Trish started the thread so...

Nancy Guthrie Sheriff Responds to Recall Effort - Newsweek Nancy Guthrie sheriff responds to recall effort

 

[shonyakay]

There is no doubt that the crime scene was released too early, even Nanos admits that. It impacted the investigation. IMO.

Dr. Richard Carmona said that that is not even the Sheriff's job to release a crime scene. That is done by the team who documented, collected, and bagged all of the evidence at the scene. They decide when that job is finished.

 

[shonyakay]

"You cannot attack my department. Attack the Sheriff, but you will not get by with attacking my department," Nanos said.

"Discrediting an investigation like this doesn't help anything, it's very harmful. No, we don't believe there were any mistakes made," Nanos said.

He also fought back against public accusations that the lead investigator on Guthrie's case has never investigated a homicide. Nanos pointed to the sergeant's track record as proof.

"This sergeant has been the supervisor of homicide for over two years. And in that time he has solved some pretty significant, very high profile cases for this area. The Reddington homicide, the Goodwill homicide. And they solved that within days." Nanos said.

In-Depth: Pima County Sheriff Nanos defends investigators in Nancy Guthrie case

TUCSON, Ariz. (KVOA) - Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos is defending his investigators working the Nancy Guthrie case after questions surfaced about their experience level.

www.kvoa.com

 

[Andreee]

Dr. Richard Carmona said that that is not even the Sheriff's job to release a crime scene. That is done by the team who documented, collected, and bagged all of the evidence at the scene. They decide when that job is finished.

Well, unfortunately, it seems that he did release the crime scene so I guess that is another error on his part.

"Nanos has acknowledged missteps, saying in a press conference in early February that he would have preserved the crime scene longer if he had the chance for a do-over, and that he would have called for the assistance of the FBI sooner."

I am not going to have a back and forth about this any further. A few here just don't seem to see any past and present errors that this man has made, or to see all sides. I will just agree to disagree as others have done. I am all for law enforcement, but there are always a few in any line of work that do not measure up.

 

[Andreee]

Well, unfortunately, it seems that he did release the crime scene so I guess that is another error on his part.

"Nanos has acknowledged missteps, saying in a press conference in early February that he would have preserved the crime scene longer if he had the chance for a do-over, and that he would have called for the assistance of the FBI sooner."

I am not going to have a back and forth about this any further. A few here just don't seem to see any past and present errors that this man has made, or to see all sides. I will just agree to disagree as others have done. I am all for law enforcement, but there are always a few in any line of work that do not measure up.

P.S. Bigger things to worry about these days, like price of gas lol. Here in Canada about 2 bucks a litre, yikes!

 

[shonyakay]

Well, unfortunately, it seems that he did release the crime scene so I guess that is another error on his part.

"Nanos has acknowledged missteps, saying in a press conference in early February that he would have preserved the crime scene longer if he had the chance for a do-over, and that he would have called for the assistance of the FBI sooner."

I am not going to have a back and forth about this any further. A few here just don't seem to see any past and present errors that this man has made, or to see all sides. I will just agree to disagree as others have done. I am all for law enforcement, but there are always a few in any line of work that do not measure up.

He does mention that maybe he should have brought PRCIT in earlier.

As far as processing the scene,
“I'll say this, we processed the scene. We did what we thought was complete. My team did that. I have to have all the faith and trust in their abilities and their skills,” he said.

Nancy Guthrie disappearance: What we know so far

The FBI and Pima County officials released a detailed timeline as the case entered its sixth day. Here’s what investigators have released about the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.

news.azpm.org

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Nanos tried to take his gun on a flight

He should know better.