TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

[cluciano63]

One new thing, to me anyway, is Clint coming out of the house with a loaded pistol. Yet even at this point, he thinks Holly is with Drew, his mother has not convinced him otherwise, it seems, so he is not running toward the woods. Even when he sees the blood, he isn't alarmed. It seems like he thinks his mom is being hysterical and he is just going out there to humor her. JMO

 

[Oriah]

Thanks for clarifying the TOS, Salem.

On a different topic entirely- I went through many of Holly's FB and family photos; and am wondering if anyone knows if she may have either attended and/or been a counselor at one of the Pine Cove Christian Camps? Does anyone have a MSM article for a connection there?

I am wondering if that may be another community experience that Holly is or has been involved with, where someone may have developed an interest in her or the Bobo family?

 

[Frogzilla]

One new thing, to me anyway, is Clint coming out of the house with a loaded pistol. Yet even at this point, he thinks Holly is with Drew, his mother has not convinced him otherwise, it seems, so he is not running toward the woods. Even when he sees the blood, he isn't alarmed. It seems like he thinks his mom is being hysterical and he is just going out there to humor her. JMO

To expand upon the part of the story you bring up, not only was he not convinced anything bad was happening (this read to me as if by the time he got to and through the garage, his mother had told him that HB was not with her boyfriend), it seems as though he is still convincing himself there has to be a turkey involved somehow, I can only assume since he describes the camo as something a turkey hunter might wear. There is a mixture of concern, grabbing a loaded weapon, and a large mixture of doubt, even after his mother relayed strong concern and then seeing a puddle of blood by HB car, CB says that he is not very concerned until the neighbor pulls into the driveway to say her son had heard screams 15-20 minutes ago, CB then says he didn't say anything to her, he has his phone in hand and he just calls 911.
This also makes me wonder if there was really that much blood, was there more than one puddle and was HB car was actually in the attached garage CB talked about, since the recent article says blood was by HB car, and in JVM he said it was in the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok, now, ok, is the garage attached to the house or is it a separate, detached garage?

C. BOBO: It`s attached to the house.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It is attached to the house.

C. BOBO: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you`re saying you were able to call your mom before they left the garage and after you called your mom you see them walking towards the woods?

C. BOBO: Right. And I told my mom that once I realized it was Holly, I said well, Holly and Drew which is her boyfriend were out in the garage talking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So where did you find the blood?

C. BOBO: It was in the garage, under where I saw the silhouette of them kneeled down in the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But you called your mom in between when you saw them in the garage and when they walked out into the woods? Why did you do that?

C. BOBO: I spoke with mom -- I spoke with mom initially to find out who the people -- I heard two voices outside our house and I called mom to try to find out who these people were outside our house. But I had no idea who they were.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html

 

[Frogzilla]

Thanks for clarifying the TOS, Salem.

On a different topic entirely- I went through many of Holly's FB and family photos; and am wondering if anyone knows if she may have either attended and/or been a counselor at one of the Pine Cove Christian Camps? Does anyone have a MSM article for a connection there?

I am wondering if that may be another community experience that Holly is or has been involved with, where someone may have developed an interest in her or the Bobo family?

The only MSM article I can think of that even mentions activities of that nature was this.
http://www.tnbaptist.org/BRPrint.asp?ID=3804
Through Corinth Baptist Bobo participated in Super Summer, a Tennessee Baptist Convention camp for teens, and a church missions trip to Mississippi to help people with special needs enjoy a camp.
Bobo “grew up in our youth group,” said Franks. She planned to use her nursing skills on the church’s frequent trips to Belize.

 

[docwho3]

Anyone heard anything about a new search? I found this on a
'Holly Bobo Search and Info' facebook page.

'10/6/2011 Updates:
A private grid search is now being organized for three specific locations in
Decatur County and we are asking for volunteers as this is a fairly large area.
Anyone wishing to volunteer for this search may send their contact information
via the contact form at . . .'

There is more to the update but that's the part I wondered about.
Is this a real search or just a mess or something made up?

Note: Don't think I am allowed to provide the link under Websleuths
TOS.

 

[MysteryAddict]

After reading the entire Jackson Sun "teaser" I would also like to add:

The article stated that the woods outside of Holly's home were chilly and damp with a temp of 41 degrees, and an inch of rain fell the day before.

-----So in addition to there being no sign of Holly within 10 minutes of her disappearance:
There also were no "footprints" ? One would think if an inch of rain fell the day before and the morning was chilly and damp, the ground would be in perfect condition for "tracking" Footprints, car tracks, ATV tracks, drag marks etc.
Again I ask --Airlifted?

This "teaser" is very curious--if this is true it would seem LE should have had a wealth of information in arriving within a 10 minute window, wouldn't it??

I must agree with you.
Under those weather conditions, if no footprints were found entering the woods, then I can't believe a 200 lb. man forced Holly in there with him that morning!!!
We've been told a story and had this picture put into our minds. In our minds we see it
as if it's true even though LE found no footprints and the dogs picked up no scent.
There is absolutely no evidence that we know of to verify the story we've been told
about the morning Holly disappeared!

 

[NCSleuth]

Just read the article from the Jackson Sun. Glad to see we some facts, but a couple questions come to mind.

From the interview recently, we know CB talked to KB on the phone at least twice that morning. Once when HB and unknown person were in the garage/carport, and one as they were walking away.

In the recent article, I read "When Clint answered the phone he said Holly’s car was still at the house.“At that point I knew something was wrong because Holly should have already gone to school,” "

I can only assume that is during the first phone call because later in the article it states KB "called the house again, and Clint told her that Holly and Drew were out at the edge of the yard walking toward the woods."

So, If during the first conversation, KB knows something is wrong, and they are in the garage, why doesn't CB go out there or atleast watch them the entire time.

BTW, why in todays article it does not mention CB talking to KB while the two were in the garage. Why no mention of CB hearing voices and asking him mom who they were.

I am afraid even with all this new information, we are still not getting the entire story.

 

[docwho3]

I must agree with you.
Under those weather conditions, if no footprints were found entering the
woods, then I can't believe a 200 lb. man forced Holly in there with him
that morning!!!
We've been told a story and had this picture put into our minds. In our
minds we see it as if it's true even though LE found no footprints and the
dogs picked up no scent.
There is absolutely no evidence that we know of to verify the story we've
been told about the morning Holly disappeared!

You are right that we really do not know one way or the other.

I have read at least one account on a website that claims that infact
dogs trailed them into the woods to another dirt road or trail- can't
remember the details but the site wasn't MSM so who knows if it was
anything other than fiction made to get page views.

I remember when it was once thought (and reported in MSM news)
that no footprints were found outside of the Jonbenet Ramsey home
and yet years later we found out that was not true and that footprints
were found.

I suspect that certain info such as possible tracks and types of tracks,
possible footprints, & weapons involved may be some of the things LE
is withholding from the public to help establish the true identity of the
perp.

I hope we are careful in drawing conclusions:
Also I happened to watch (on TV) an account of a true crime that
happened where an elderly woman was murdered. LE looked at the
son who lived not too far away and found blood spots in his car seats
and although he had promised to cooperate with LE he suddenly refused
when they asked him for a blood sample and then promptly moved away
from the area. Sounds like the actions of a guilty person?

Turns out he was innocent and LE later caught the real perp who
confessed when confronted with the evidence against him and led them
to where the body was buried (almost 400 miles away IIRC.)
Turns out the blood spots on the car seats belonged to the son who had
cut himself & just had never cleaned up his car.

Not everything that raises a red flag to us in every case is pointing
to a person guilty of the crime in question.

For now I have generally accepted the story of the abduction as
read in MSM but as you have said, we have no proof one way or the
other. So I keep an open mind and work with the info at hand at the
time. Not sure what else can be done.

 

[cluciano63]

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111009/NEWS25/110090330

Here is the article.

 

[OldSteve]

One new thing, to me anyway, is Clint coming out of the house with a loaded pistol. Yet even at this point, he thinks Holly is with Drew, his mother has not convinced him otherwise, it seems, so he is not running toward the woods. Even when he sees the blood, he isn't alarmed. It seems like he thinks his mom is being hysterical and he is just going out there to humor her. JMO

BBM
Is that true? Never heard that mentioned... don't get it...

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

WOW! That is what I will say about this newest telling of the story. Really though, it is the same reaction I have had whenever new info comes out in this case, mostly because it doesn't really jive well with me. Though this article does clarify some of the rumors that have been out there, I have to say I see some things in there that really caught my eye, especially when you match it up with previous versions of the story. I do not want to jump in head first, I will wait for others to get the ball rolling. For every question answered, it raises other, very specific questions. It cannot be forgotten that there is probably important info being withheld, but something still seems very off with this whole situation and the more info released to the public, the more I am starting to wonder.....about a lot of things.

After reading this entire article I can only think of one thing to say, WHAT!!!:banghead:

Wouldn't you think someone , somewhere, knowing how disjointed the "statements" have sounded over the past few months, might want to get this "right"?? It is no secret to the Bobo family that their accounts of that morning, have been the fuel for "suspicion" of Clint's involvement, as well as statements made by Karen and other witness accounts for that morning.

Does anyone think it might be a good idea for this family to find someone to take over the reins of this investigation in an advisory capacity that would enable them to "JUST START OVER", and set the record straight? I feel very bad for this family. I think it may be time for them to acquire their own legal counsel to advise them.......and one that is not the local sheriff, pastor,mayor,post-master, and I might add, perhaps the writer for the Jackson Sun. GEEZ-MOO

 

[cluciano63]

BBM
Is that true? Never heard that mentioned... don't get it...

In the article, his mom told him to get a gun and go after her...so he says he walked outside with a loaded pistol...just posted the link to the whole article above. (well, previous page, now.)

 

[OldSteve]

In the article, his mom told him to get a gun and go after her...so he says he walked outside with a loaded pistol...just posted the link to the whole article above. (well, previous page, now.)

Thanks cluciano63!

Wow! Why was this kept secret all this time? I don't get it!?

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

In the article, his mom told him to get a gun and go after her...so he says he walked outside with a loaded pistol...just posted the link to the whole article above. (well, previous page, now.)

......and what did that accomplish? These are the things being ADDED to an already confusing story, but it only raises more questions?:waitasec:

LIKE: Why didn't he use it?
Why did Karen go to the use of a gun?
What had happened before this to make this incident life threatening,
as noted by her "panic attack", near passing out with minimal info at
that time?

 

[cluciano63]

The article almost makes it sound as though the very idea that Holly would be walking or talking with anyone but Drew is out of the question...they say how shy she is, how she never goes out, etc...I can imagine my mom, way back when, being concerned as to why I hadn't left for school, but I can't get to the panic and dropping to the floor thing at that stage...

 

[Prancy]

After reading this entire article I can only think of one thing to say, WHAT!!!:banghead:

Wouldn't you think someone , somewhere, knowing how disjointed the "statements" have sounded over the past few months, might want to get this "right"?? It is no secret to the Bobo family that their accounts of that morning, have been the fuel for "suspicion" of Clint's involvement, as well as statements made by Karen and other witness accounts for that morning.

Does anyone think it might be a good idea for this family to find someone to take over the reins of this investigation in an advisory capacity that would enable them to "JUST START OVER", and set the record straight? I feel very bad for this family. I think it may be time for them to acquire their own legal counsel to advise them.......and one that is not the local sheriff, pastor,mayor,post-master, and I might add, perhaps the writer for the Jackson Sun. GEEZ-MOO

I saw this special on tv this weekend and it really gave me a great idea!!!!!!
It was a special on Dateline about a young girl who went missing in Charleston, SC in 2009. Due to the lack of LE pursuing the case as thorougly as the parents had hoped, they hired a team of Private Investigators to find out their daughter.

The team that was hired were mainly retired LE officers who each has a speciality area. The parents were wealthy and they spared no expense. The team dug in hard and left no stone unturned! After months of LE overlooking much of the evidence, the team found out what happened to the missing girl. They also found her body in a deserted area near a swamp. Two of the girls friends were eventually charged and convicted of her murder.

The team was incredible!!!!!! They shared everything they found with LE, but did not get the same courtesy back. Still they solved the mystery.

I believe that team of investigators could do a lot to help with this case. I wonder if they are following Holly's case.

Did anyone else see Dateline? It was on Friday night. You may be able to watch it online. Here's an article about it. It may be on the NBC site too.

http://www.thestate.com/2011/10/07/2000660/dateline-to-focus-on-slaying-of.html

Here's one with a snippet of the video for the episode. IT's called Stranger on a TRain.
http://www.clicker.com/tv/dateline-nbc/preview--strangers-on-a-train-2149016/
I like it, because it shows the results of great police work.

 

[cluciano63]

I saw this special on tv this weekend and it really gave me a great idea!!!!!!
It was a special on Dateline about a young girl who went missing in Charleston, SC in 2009. Due to the lack of LE pursuing the case as thorougly as the parents had hoped, they hired a team of Private Investigators to find out their daughter.

The team that was hired were mainly retired LE officers who each has a speciality area. The parents were wealthy and they spared no expense. The team dug in hard and left no stone unturned! After months of LE overlooking much of the evidence, the team found out what happened to the missing girl. They also found her body in a deserted area near a swamp. Two of the girls friends were eventually charged and convicted of her murder.

The team was incredible!!!!!! They shared everything they found with LE, but did not get the same courtesy back. Still they solved the mystery.

I believe that team of investigators could do a lot to help with this case. I wonder if they are following Holly's case.

Did anyone else see Dateline? It was on Friday night. You may be able to watch it online. Here's an article about it. It may be on the NBC site too.

http://www.thestate.com/2011/10/07/2000660/dateline-to-focus-on-slaying-of.html

Here's one with a snippet of the video for the episode. IT's called Stranger on a TRain.
http://www.clicker.com/tv/dateline-nbc/preview--strangers-on-a-train-2149016/

In that case, they did have a suspect all along, which may have helped in eventually finding her body and getting charges pressed, plus the suspect had tried to cash a check from her bank account. But the idea is a good one, to hire a neutral team of former LE agents. There is also a worldwide group that takes on mystifying cold cases, but I can't think of their name right now...

 

[Prancy]

In that case, they did have a suspect all along, which may have helped in eventually finding her body and getting charges pressed, plus the suspect had tried to cash a check from her bank account. But the idea is a good one, to hire a neutral team of former LE agents. There is also a worldwide group that takes on mystifying cold cases, but I can't think of their name right now...

Yes, they had some leads, but police had cleared the friend and never bothered to search the place he was really living. I honestly believe that if the private investigators had not gotten involved, LE would never had put that case together, never found Kate and never brought her killers to justice. I don't even think they would have pursued the forged checks!

I have heard of the worldwide team you are referring to as well. Their name escapes me. Somebody needs to get behind this case. Sometimes you may just need some fresh eyes.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

The team was incredible!!!!!! They shared everything they found with LE, but did not get the same courtesy back. Still they solved the mystery.

I believe that team of investigators could do a lot to help with this case. I wonder if they are following Holly's case.

Did anyone else see Dateline? It was on Friday night. You may be able to watch it online. Here's an article about it. It may be on the NBC site too.

http://www.thestate.com/2011/10/07/2000660/dateline-to-focus-on-slaying-of.html

Here's one with a snippet of the video for the episode. IT's called Stranger on a TRain.
http://www.clicker.com/tv/dateline-nbc/preview--strangers-on-a-train-2149016/
I like it, because it shows the results of great police work.

Prancy,

Ya know I think it is the "great police work" that is missing. I will watch the vid later tonight, thanks.

 

[Prancy]

Prancy,

Ya know I think it is the "great police work" that is missing. I will watch the vid later tonight, thanks.

The great police work in the Dateline show was done by the retired police officers. It really made a big difference.

I don't know enough about what LE has or has not done in the Bobo case, but IMO, it would be difficult for them to beat the sound, creative, unyeilding team of those private investigators. There were hundreds of years of experience in criminal investigation between them.

I think what worked is that this team didn't just take someone's word for it. They checked it out. Ran it down. Looked at things from all angles. The police had just ask a few questions, wrote it down and put the file away.