CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #23

Are you implying it could have been a murder-suicide? If so I think that is a non-starter.

We have no evidence that Barry and Honey were in conflict about these matters. To the contrary, people say they were getting along better than ever — and maybe that’s the problem: Barry was getting on the same page as Honey, getting his financial house in order, cutting off some dead financial weight, and doing better by those women closest to him (Honey, possibly MS) by providing some financial autonomy. This is what actually fits with what was happening at the time: cleaning up old loans/transactions; reining in JS and AP and requiring them to be accountable; public statements (like in the Toronto Life article) that they intended to give away a lot of their wealth; Honey talking about the money coming her way; happily picking windows for their house; calls and correspondence with Herder at Blaneys…

Who wouldn’t like this alignment of values, aims and planning? MOO
I think you are absolutely right.
 

Bringing over the KD interview that ldlager posted.

It stuck in my head for some reason that the warrant must have been served at Sherfam because it was regarding Barry’s investments etc., but KD didn’t say where it was exactly.

In the interview above KD said it was served in a building in ‘Toronto proper’. To me that means the original Toronto boundaries, not the GTA. Or would it be included? Sherfam is located north of Toronto (North York or Vaughan area).
 
In the interview above KD said it was served in a building in ‘Toronto proper’. To me that means the original Toronto boundaries, not the GTA. Or would it be included? Sherfam is located north of Toronto (North York or Vaughan area).
I think “Toronto proper” includes North York these days. But the warrant could have been issued for anywhere, including possibly a law firm, subject to arguments of privilege. It isn’t necessarily Sherfam.
 
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''Officers: Bernard C. Sherman Chief Executive Officer
and Chairman
Michael F. Florence President
Jack M. Kay Vice President
R. Craig Baxter Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer

(iv) Sherfam:

Directors: Bernard C. Sherman
Michael F. Florence
Jack M. Kay
R. Craig Baxter

Officers: Bernard C. Sherman Chairman
Michael F. Florence President
Jack M. Kay Vice President
R. Craig Baxter Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer

(v) Apotex Holdings:

Directors: Bernard C. Sherman
Michael F. Florence
R. Craig Baxter

Officers: Bernard C. Sherman President
Michael F. Florence Vice President
R. Craig Baxter Secretary and Treasurer

(vi) Apotex:

Directors: Bernard C. Sherman
Jack M. Kay

Officers: Bernard C. Sherman Chief Executive Officer
and Chairman
Jack M. Kay President and Chief
Operating Officer
Michael F. Florence Vice President
Honey Sherman Vice President
R. Craig Baxter Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer''
(vii) Foundation:

Directors: Bernard C. Sherman
Jack M. Kay
Anthony Miezlaiskis

Officers: Bernard C. Sherman President
Jack M. Kay Secretary
Anthony Miezlaiskis Treasurer
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<PAGE>

President of Sherman Holdings, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of
Shermco, Chairman of Sherfam, President of Apotex Holdings and
President of Foundation.

(ix) Michael F. Florence: Mr. Florence has been President of Sherfam
since 1989. He is also a director and Vice President of Sherman
Holdings, a director and President of Shermco, a director and Vice
President of Apotex Holdings and Vice President of Apotex. Mr.
Florence and Dr. Sherman are brothers-in-law.

(x) Jack M. Kay: Mr. Kay is President of Apotex. He is also a
director of Shermco and Sherfam.

(xi) R. Craig Baxter: Mr. Baxter is a director and Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer of Shermco. He is also a director and Vice
President, Secretary and Treasurer of Sherfam, a director and
Secretary and Treasurer of Apotex Holdings and Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer of Apotex.

(xii) Honey Sherman is Vice President of Apotex. Ms. Sherman is the
spouse of Dr. Sherman.

(xiii) T. Miezlaiskis is Treasurer of Foundation.''
 
My idea is, that a best friend helped to beware the reputation and did the staging afterwards, without being a murderer. How he was called for help and a phone connection wasn't discovered, that I don't know.
More plausible would be a killer, but which is the motive to kill both at their home, when unpleasant personal things just were mounting up?
This was not a murder suicide. There was no stress in their lives. Barry would have stayed living at OCR forever. He was a very practical person. If it isn't broke don't fix it. Also HS wasn't building herself a palace. She wanted a home that she could offer up to host charity fundraisers. She attended so many at other homes and wanted to do the same. She also was very practical. The house apparently was designed to accommodate such events. Building it in Forest hill put them close to their grandchildren.
 

''Officers: Bernard C. Sherman Chief Executive Officer
and Chairman
Michael F. Florence President
Jack M. Kay Vice President
R. Craig Baxter Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer

(iv) Sherfam:

Directors: Bernard C. Sherman
Michael F. Florence
Jack M. Kay
R. Craig Baxter

Officers: Bernard C. Sherman Chairman
Michael F. Florence President
Jack M. Kay Vice President
R. Craig Baxter Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer

(v) Apotex Holdings:

Directors: Bernard C. Sherman
Michael F. Florence
R. Craig Baxter

Officers: Bernard C. Sherman President
Michael F. Florence Vice President
R. Craig Baxter Secretary and Treasurer

(vi) Apotex:

Directors: Bernard C. Sherman
Jack M. Kay

Officers: Bernard C. Sherman Chief Executive Officer
and Chairman
Jack M. Kay President and Chief
Operating Officer
Michael F. Florence Vice President
Honey Sherman Vice President
R. Craig Baxter Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer''
(vii) Foundation:

Directors: Bernard C. Sherman
Jack M. Kay
Anthony Miezlaiskis

Officers: Bernard C. Sherman President
Jack M. Kay Secretary
Anthony Miezlaiskis Treasurer
12
<PAGE>

President of Sherman Holdings, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of
Shermco, Chairman of Sherfam, President of Apotex Holdings and
President of Foundation.

(ix) Michael F. Florence: Mr. Florence has been President of Sherfam
since 1989. He is also a director and Vice President of Sherman
Holdings, a director and President of Shermco, a director and Vice
President of Apotex Holdings and Vice President of Apotex. Mr.
Florence and Dr. Sherman are brothers-in-law.

(x) Jack M. Kay: Mr. Kay is President of Apotex. He is also a
director of Shermco and Sherfam.

(xi) R. Craig Baxter: Mr. Baxter is a director and Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer of Shermco. He is also a director and Vice
President, Secretary and Treasurer of Sherfam, a director and
Secretary and Treasurer of Apotex Holdings and Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer of Apotex.

(xii) Honey Sherman is Vice President of Apotex. Ms. Sherman is the
spouse of Dr. Sherman.

(xiii) T. Miezlaiskis is Treasurer of Foundation.''
I think that is old.
 
Noting fwiw.. wrt possible hiring of hit man, imo.
''Fintrac identifies money linked to illicit activities by electronically sifting millions of pieces of information each year from banks, insurance companies, money services businesses, securities dealers, real-estate brokers, casinos and others.

In turn, it discloses intelligence to police and other law-enforcement agencies about the suspected cases''.

''The advisory spelled out key attributes of underground banking in Canada, particularly through unregistered money services businesses in metropolitan Vancouver, the Greater Toronto Area, and, to some extent, in the Calgary-Edmonton corridor.''
 
Was BS's Sherfam also under the control of AG, JK, JS, BK or just AG?

Alex G. is the head person and he has ten employees, including BK, but now it seems like all of the heirs have a say over what happens at Sherfam. JS had a leadership role at Apotex after the murders and was able to fire JK, but he was powerless to fire Alex G. and replace him with AP.

Glasenberg and Sherfam are at the epicentre of a struggle worthy of Shakespeare, or the HBO series “Succession.” Son Jonathon has long considered himself the “heir apparent” (as he said in an email to his father shortly before his death), and has said he would like to remove Glasenberg from his position. But his sisters, in particular Alexandra, want a say in the future of their parents’ legacy. They are aligned with Glasenberg, who told the Star recently that “Jonathon Sherman’s sisters have supported my work and the work of all the companies’ advisers and management to run the companies profitably and maximize their value.” Complicating matters is the fact the three estate trustees with the legal authority to make decisions about the Sherman estate are Jonathon, Glasenberg and Brad Krawczyk, Alexandra’s husband, who works for Glasenberg.”


“Now, all three Sherman daughters — Lauren, Alexandra and Kaelen — are aligned with family holding company president Alex Glasenberg. Son Jonathon is on the other side.


Late Friday, a spokesperson for the Sherman sisters reacted to comments made to the Star by Jonathon, who told the newspaper he wants to get rid of Glasenberg, and that his sisters are “beholden” to Glasenberg.

[…]
Sherman insiders say that soon after the murders, Jonathon suggested his own business partner, Adam Paulin, take an office at Sherfam to oversee its activities.
[…]
Glasenberg disagreed with Jonathon’s plan to bring in Paulin, insiders say. “Glasenberg said if Paulin was in, he was out.” Such is Glasenberg’s sway, that Paulin did not take an office at Sherfam. (Glasenberg told me he does not recall this.)

In their statement to the Star late Friday, the three Sherman sisters said “we do not believe that Mr. Paulin would be a qualified or appropriate addition to the management team of the Sherman family companies.”
(Paywalled.) Brother vs. sister: Two of Barry and Honey Sherman’s children in a battle for control of the family empire
 

''Officers: Bernard C. Sherman Chief Executive Officer
and Chairman
Michael F. Florence President
Jack M. Kay Vice President
R. Craig Baxter Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer

(iv) Sherfam:

Directors: Bernard C. Sherman
Michael F. Florence
Jack M. Kay
R. Craig Baxter

Officers: Bernard C. Sherman Chairman
Michael F. Florence President
Jack M. Kay Vice President
R. Craig Baxter Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer

(v) Apotex Holdings:

Directors: Bernard C. Sherman
Michael F. Florence
R. Craig Baxter

Officers: Bernard C. Sherman President
Michael F. Florence Vice President
R. Craig Baxter Secretary and Treasurer

(vi) Apotex:

Directors: Bernard C. Sherman
Jack M. Kay

Officers: Bernard C. Sherman Chief Executive Officer
and Chairman
Jack M. Kay President and Chief
Operating Officer
Michael F. Florence Vice President
Honey Sherman Vice President
R. Craig Baxter Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer''
(vii) Foundation:

Directors: Bernard C. Sherman
Jack M. Kay
Anthony Miezlaiskis

Officers: Bernard C. Sherman President
Jack M. Kay Secretary
Anthony Miezlaiskis Treasurer
12
<PAGE>

President of Sherman Holdings, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of
Shermco, Chairman of Sherfam, President of Apotex Holdings and
President of Foundation.

(ix) Michael F. Florence: Mr. Florence has been President of Sherfam
since 1989. He is also a director and Vice President of Sherman
Holdings, a director and President of Shermco, a director and Vice
President of Apotex Holdings and Vice President of Apotex. Mr.
Florence and Dr. Sherman are brothers-in-law.

(x) Jack M. Kay: Mr. Kay is President of Apotex. He is also a
director of Shermco and Sherfam.

(xi) R. Craig Baxter: Mr. Baxter is a director and Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer of Shermco. He is also a director and Vice
President, Secretary and Treasurer of Sherfam, a director and
Secretary and Treasurer of Apotex Holdings and Vice President,
Secretary and Treasurer of Apotex.

(xii) Honey Sherman is Vice President of Apotex. Ms. Sherman is the
spouse of Dr. Sherman.

(xiii) T. Miezlaiskis is Treasurer of Foundation.''
How did you find that? It’s so interesting to see how it was structured at that point. Honey was listed as the vice president of Apotex, I’m guessing it was just an honorary title? I haven’t heard that she was ever involved in Apotex.
 
This was not a murder suicide. There was no stress in their lives. Barry would have stayed living at OCR forever. He was a very practical person. If it isn't broke don't fix it. Also HS wasn't building herself a palace. She wanted a home that she could offer up to host charity fundraisers. She attended so many at other homes and wanted to do the same. She also was very practical. The house apparently was designed to accommodate such events. Building it in Forest hill put them close to their grandchildren.
bbm: The OCR home was going to be sold ....

The "palace", as only I named it, or the "mansion" should be built (also) for events. But how many events do you still have ahead of you at the age of 70, if you want to experience them in reasonably good condition?

The property with the old home, later demolished, on it in Forest Hill was gifted to Honey, afaik, so I'm not sure, if the location had to do with two grandchildren, who (probably?) weren't born yet at the time.
With the imagination, HS/BS wanted to build their new home near their grandchildren (Alex' children), it doesn't fit in my eyes, that OCR became demolished inclusive many memorabilia. HS/BS were eliminated, not only by murder. So it seems to me, sometimes. Would they have been allowed to be beloved grandparents in the future? Idk.

It seems, you have insider knowledge of HS and BS, and you know better than me, what was going on in their lives. My thoughts sometimes are going into a different direction, because I don't know them both, only "the story". I often may be wrong.
 
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bbm: The OCR home was going to be sold ....

The "palace", as only I named it, or the "mansion" should be built (also) for events. But how many events do you still have ahead of you at the age of 70, if you want to experience them in reasonably good condition?

The property with the old home, later demolished, on it in Forest Hill was gifted to Honey, afaik, so I'm not sure, if the location had to do with two grandchildren, who (probably?) weren't born yet at the time.
With the imagination, HS/BS wanted to build their new home near their grandchildren (Alex' children), it doesn't fit in my eyes, that OCR became demolished inclusive many memorabilia. HS/BS were eliminated, not only by murder. So it seems to me, sometimes. Would they have been allowed to be beloved grandparents in the future? Idk.

It seems, you have insider knowledge of HS and BS, and you know better than me, what was going on in their lives. My thoughts sometimes are going into a different direction, because I don't know them both, only "the story". I often may be wrong.
One more thing to keep in mind is that the new place was going to have an elevator since we know Honey couldn't do stairs. They also had a section set up for live in help to suit them as they got older. This was a far more practical solution for them vs. OCR whether Barry accepted it or not.
 
Was BS's Sherfam also under the control of AG, JK, JS, BK or just AG?
Yes I believe so — not as officers or directors but as owners in trust for the estate. Although once the estate was distributed I think the 4 heirs/kids would be the owners. Recall that JS wanted AG gone but his sisters disagreed.

Edited to add that I see others already answered this (sorry).
 
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I think “Toronto proper” includes North York these days. But the warrant could have been issued for anywhere, including possibly a law firm, subject to arguments of privilege. It isn’t necessarily Sherfam.
Interestingly, in the article @Lexiintoronto posted above, KD writes: “Glasenberg is the president of Sherfam, the Sherman family holding company, headquartered in a squat, two-storey building north of Toronto.”

** “north of Toronto” — so quite possibly, KD’s statement that the warrant was issued for a place in “Toronto proper” is an indication that Sherfam was not, in fact, the target….
 
Interestingly, in the article @Lexiintoronto posted above, KD writes: “Glasenberg is the president of Sherfam, the Sherman family holding company, headquartered in a squat, two-storey building north of Toronto.”

** “north of Toronto” — so quite possibly, KD’s statement that the warrant was issued for a place in “Toronto proper” is an indication that Sherfam was not, in fact, the target….

That’s what I was wondering. Sherfam’s address is 10 Director Court, Vaughan. He could have said Vaughan, (or North York because it’s so close) but he said Toronto proper. E30212A9-8D98-46F8-9CC8-57A94D06C083.png


ETA: I was trying to think of the places connected to the case that are directly in Toronto. JS has that large Green Storage location at 145 Eastern Ave. there. All of the law firms that I’ve heard of that are connected to the case are also in Toronto.

It doesn’t sound like a home was searched, imo, but Alex K. and Mary S. live in the Forest Hill area (at least the last we heard of, unless they moved.)

FDA & JS live far outside the GTA.
 
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The other thing is that we know the warrant wasn’t intended to be executed without notice (ie no kicking down the door, catching off guard stuff). We know this because TPS asked for 5 days to execute in order to coordinate a time with the target. This suggests to me that the TPS trusts the target not to thwart the warrant by hiding or destroying evidence. This suggests the target is not a POI or POI collaborator. This may also hint it could be a law firm, which would not hide or destroy evidence. MOO.
 
The other thing is that we know the warrant wasn’t intended to be executed without notice (ie no kicking down the door, catching off guard stuff). We know this because TPS asked for 5 days to execute in order to coordinate a time with the target. This suggests to me that the TPS trusts the target not to thwart the warrant by hiding or destroying evidence. This suggests the target is not a POI or POI collaborator. This may also hint it could be a law firm, which would not hide or destroy evidence. MOO.

I think who the TPS coordinated with is redacted unless it’s somewhere in the document and I missed it. (?) My impression was the investigating homicide officers were going to serve the warrant with another TPS department. Maybe officers in computer forensics and general forensic officers if they were searching for more than data.
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ETA: I worked for a clinic in Toronto where there were two separate homicides outside our doors. After one murder, homicide officers asked the doctor for a list of the patients in the clinic at the time of one murder. He said he couldn’t comply due to privacy reasons without a warrant. So we expected the warrant and search and were careful to preserve everything, but they didn’t give us notice before they eventually executed the warrant. (The theory was that some of the bad guys came into the clinic as the police arrived after the murder and were in lockdown with us.)
 
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I think who the TPS coordinated with is redacted unless it’s somewhere in the document and I missed it. (?) My impression was the investigating homicide officers were going to serve the warrant with another TPS department. Maybe officers in computer forensics and general forensic officers if they were searching for more than data.
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ETA: I worked for a clinic in Toronto where there were two separate homicides outside our doors. After one murder, homicide officers asked the doctor for a list of the patients in the clinic at the time of one murder. He said he couldn’t comply due to privacy reasons without a warrant. So we expected the warrant and search and were careful to preserve everything, but they didn’t give us notice before they eventually executed the warrant. (The theory was that some of the bad guys came into the clinic as the police arrived after the murder and were in lockdown with us.)
Weren't there around three people that were previously pointed to by others?: JS?, KW?, FDA?. However, it does say above that "To date, there is no evidence to elevate any of the aforementioned parties to the status of a suspect. In addition to these persons of interest, there is an unidentified person, the 'walking man' that is seen on several surveillence videos in and around the area of 50 Old Colony...." Thus, the NW is still the suspect. In general, there appears to be 3 main separate groupings/clusters: JS(-AP-FM), KW(-JB-PB), FDA(-JK-AG) regarding the above aforementioned.
 

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