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"There is an enormous amount of peace in the truth and the truth is what it is and I can't fabricate the truth," said Jack.
Love it.
Love it.
BBM, Snipped for space.
According to the comment that I linked to earlier, she gave up her rights right at the time she was getting ready to marry JS because he did not want to deal with kids. So according to JS on NG last night he said they met 12 years ago and married 10 years ago. So I am assuming that she gave her children up about 10-11 years ago.
Compiled information from News interviews and TPS facebook.
Wed 9 Dec. Elizabeth called Logan informed him of the Smiths intention to adopt Gabriel and asked him to sign the custody papers. Said shed already given the baby to them.
You know I feel bad for H also. Who knows how many times they have introduced her to a new baby telling her it's going to be her new brother or sister. These people need to be stopped.
BBM
Whoa! I must have missed this tid bit of information! This totally infuriates me! This man have children of his own, but does not want to deal with her kids. Red flag anyone? I surely would not date let alone marry a man who "didn't want to deal with my children." He makes me sick!
As for TPS, she doesn't deserve any other children. God gave her 3 beautiful, healthy children and she gives them up for a man. What a piece of work! TPS and JS if you are reading this -- Children are not dogs that can be given to the Humane Society when you "don't want to deal with them!" You don't deserve the love of a child!!!!!
BBM
Whoa! I must have missed this tid bit of information! This totally infuriates me! This man have children of his own, but does not want to deal with her kids. Red flag anyone? I surely would not date let alone marry a man who "didn't want to deal with my children." He makes me sick!
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Dec 9 also the day Eliz called LE and said Logan took Gabriel and wouldn't tell her where he was. Gabriel found 6 hours later at the Smiths.
Dec 9 also the day Eliz called LE and said Logan took Gabriel and wouldn't tell her where he was. Gabriel found 6 hours later at the Smiths.
BeandE wrote:
JS: Man it feels like Christmas here in Phoenix...a chilly 52 degrees. We're in the midst of a hiccup with the new baby, Gabriel. The mother picked him up Friday evening to visit the father and hasn't been seen or heard from since. Pray!!
December 22, 2009 at 12:31pm
I just cannot understand how these people haven't been arrested for extortion! Besides the kidnapping and possible murder, this is the one act in this case that outrages me the most. I wish I knew exactly what day it happened."When Gabriel dissapeared, they said basically, if you really care about your son and you want him back, and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, that you'll sign the paperwork and then she'll bring him back to us, and you'll know he's safe," said McQueary. "And I said, no, I'm not signing any paperwork."
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/s...se-take-polygraph/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx
Wed 9th Dec. Elizabeth called Logan informed him of the Smiths intention to adopt Gabriel and asked him to sign the custody papers. Said shed already given the baby to them.
Thank you for that info!Logan was contacted on 12/27 by the Smith's with the threat to sign the papers if he wanted Gabe to end up in a safe place. That was shortly after he got the text from EJ that she has killed the baby.
http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010/01/wheres-baby-gabriel-mother-of-missing-8-month-old-arrested/
Logan was contacted on 12/27 by the Smith's with the threat to sign the papers if he wanted Gabe to end up in a safe place. That was shortly after he got the text from EJ that she has killed the baby.
http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010/01/wheres-baby-gabriel-mother-of-missing-8-month-old-arrested/
Wait, did Eliz call LE or was it Logan? I thought it was Logan.
Is this twice in Dec then?
Dec. 14 Logan files in Maricopa County Superior Court
Dec. 14 Gabriel was found at the home of one of Johnson's friends
Dec. 18 Jack claims Elizabeth picked up Gabriel from them and became MIA
Dec. 22 Jack proclaims online they haven't heard from Elizabeth
Looks to me like they were purposefully creating an online record to cover their butts. However, how much of what they have said and posted is just smoke and mirrors. Liars make mistakes though.
It would be interesting to construct a Table with the timeline posters have been working on in Column A and the actual text of internet postings from Tammi and Jack in Column B.
I don't know why she's injected herself the way she has, but just watching her on tv I get the impression she fashions herself a detective. IOW, I'm not sure how much she really knows, but in her mind believes she may have the key(s) to unlocking the mystery. She obviously likes the attention...I think they both do.On Tammi's 'underground help' posting and statements, I think the changes we're seeing in her explanations are because she has, in the past 24 hours or so, begun to realize that LE, some reporters/interviewers, and many members of the public, are not going to accept her exaggerations, speculations, wishful thinking, covering for herself, etc, as fact. I think she is learning that when questions are asked, people are looking for *facts*, and are simply not interested in her fabrications and exaggerations, that her agenda is not the agenda of others, and certainly not the agenda of Gabriel.
With that in mind, she said (putting it together from multiple articles, videos, and NG) that Eliz said the word 'underground' once, and that she (Tammi) interpreted that to mean a women's shelter/domestic violence shelter. So the fact nugget we can get from this is that Eliz said 'underground' once.
Tammi said Eliz was talking about 'running', and something about 'identities'. The fact nugget I *think* we can get from this, or at least the maximum I'm willing to rely on, is that Eliz said something about going on the run, possibly getting new identities for herself *or* herself and Gabriel, and that these identities might come from an 'underground' or illegal source.
Since we see that Tammi is prone to spewing self-opinion and speculation as fact, I think it may be true that Eliz said something about going on the run, and that Eliz threw out something like 'maybe I could get a new identity'. (She did buy the bus ticket in a fake name (Elizabeth Jones), and she was on the run).
I'm tossing everything else Tammi said about this, and I'm going to hope as reality dawns on her further over the next day or two, that she will begin thinking about what facts she actually knows, and saying only those. (Actually I hope she'll just stfu because she's damaging the determination of wth happened to Gabriel - the *only* thing we want to know!!!)
I think this LE dept is smart, very smart. And I think they saw Tammi for what she is, and came up with the strategy of naming the Smiths as POIs in order to force them to quit playing self-centered games and cut to the facts that may actually help find Gabriel (the #1 thing they want right now!!!).
I will be praying today that Tammi and Jack will wake this morning and get slapped on the forehead with a "It's about Gabriel" stick, and go back to LE, and give the facts with *no* frills. (and that they'll then stfu.)
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