Found Deceased MI - Venus Stewart, 32, Colon, 28 April 2010 - # 4 *D. Stewart guilty*

[believe09]

It was described as "late evening". Evening is the period of time around sunset. They didn't provide exact times, but the phrase "evening" tells us approximately when it must have happened.

Risko said Douglas Stewart, whom police were able to contact by phone late Monday night in Newport News, Va., where he resides, is a “person of interest” in his wife’s disappearance.

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/michigan_state_police_remain_h.html

Just thought I would throw this in here so we can accurately define the concept of "late Monday night"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/late-night+hour

late night is defined as being the hours between sunset and sunrise. In this case, Monday April 26 here is the listing for sunrise/sunset/twilight in St Joseph County MI:

Twi: 6:19am
Sunrise: 6:49am
Sunset: 8:38pm
Twi: 9:08pm
Moonrise: 6:59pm
Moonset: 5:20am

And here is is for Newport News, VA on April 26:

Sunrise=6:18AM and Sunset: 7:51PM

So either way you look at it, if you accept the definition of Late Monday night as being the time between Sunset and Sunrise the next morning of 4/27, the police seem to have caught up with him after 7:51PM.

Does anyone have a link handy which indicates that he called Venus' parents house to check on the kids after lawyering up when the police called him on 4/26?

 

[believe09]

I would like to know who saw her around 7:10AM in her pj's-the child who was awake?

 

[Natal]

To recap,



Thank you, puf.

Ah yes, my memory appears faulty. Btw early reports also have him being contacted on Tuesday, but those are probably incorrect.

 

[LadyL]

I am thinking this is the Mom who saw her. Does anyone remember when the Mom left for work?



8:30 is when I think the Father got up and she was gone. jmo


http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/michigan_state_police_remain_h.html

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Missing-mom-wouldnt-leave-on-her-own

thank you

that question was swilring around in my mind

 

[LadyL]

Plus the neighbor saw the man crouched by the Dodge Ram at "about 7AM" and five minutes later, he was gone.

ETA: Your quotes didn't carry forward...

Her mother left at 6AM. Venus had coffee with her before she left.

wait, her mother left at 6 a.m.?

so where does the 7:10 a.m. time come in?

and how are they able to be so exact? :waitasec:

SPECULATION: is it possible the mail carrier saw her and knows what time he/she made pickups on that road?

 

[panthera]

I've thought about that, too. Maybe she sent a text a 7:10. Or maybe Therese called home and told her not to forget to put the ____ in the mail. Maybe someone was outside next door until 7:10 and didn't see her out.

Dunno. Hope all of this is explained eventually.

That's what I'm thinking. There is more that we don't know about to have the timeline as it is. MOO

 

[panthera]

I would like to know who saw her around 7:10AM in her pj's-the child who was awake?

That could be ~ I forgot she'd be old enough to possibly give that information. :doh:

 

[mommame]

So you are concurring that it would have been a well established rule in the house that Venus was to keep the girls quiet so father could sleep in.

Venus's father made it clear he awakened to the noisy children, was really annoyed and wondered why they were being so loud and got up to check which is when he learned Venus had gone outside.

Grandchildren visiting a grandpa who sleeps in late is a bit different than grandchildren who are living with Grandpa for an extended amount of time as the excitement of the initial visit is over and it's back to the normal routine.

While I understand the point you are trying to make.....I don't see/treat the grandkids any different then when our own kids were small ( and yes, we had our Daughter and her 19 mo old come and stay for 6 months while her husband was deployed last year) It is just a well known fact in THIS household that things start out quieter in the mornings...AFTER Dad/Grandpa is up and going........he will rip and tear with them but until he is up.....keep it down! When he gets woke up early, I don't see where it's any different then if I were woke up early and I wouldn't like it much either.

 

[Natal]

Hmmm......so DS lawyered up but then returned to Mi and called the news station and gave a statement,...................interesting.

Guess he's preparing to take back his children.

So, he didn't work the day VS disappeared but he has two witnesses that he was in Va? .........................interesting.

Seems the longer VS is gone, the more it appears there is foul play. Oh, I know she has a DV report against her and he doesn''t but then like others have said, SHE is the one missing.

It's really not unusual for an abused survivor to take off with nothing but the clothes on their back. You put in the alleged abuse of one of the kids, welllll......she wanted to get away from him ASAP. For anyone thinking she went to Mi to get a better div deal, ...............ehhhh............she was FROM Mi and DS had her isolated in VA. She needed to get where she had 'moral' support. I don't think that's so difficult to figure out.

Another sad case.

JMHO
fran

PS.....Oh, I wonder if DS has shown LE the items on his Walmart receipt? You know, gloves, cap, shovel???????

I don't recall any reports that he was or wasn't at work that day. We don't know anything about his alibi AFAIK other than at least two people can place him in Newport that day.

People leaving relationships very suddenly often don't take much stuff with them, but usually they will take transportation if it is available. If the allegations are to be believed, the motivation for leaving would be her alleged discovery of molestation that supposedly happened many months prior. So there was no iminent threat to motivate leaving like that. In that sort of situation you would think that the person leaving would take some things, such as basic clothing, valuables and whatever transportation was available to them.

I have a friend who's cousin had his wife take off. He come home from work one day to find her gone and half the furniture missing. No apparent warning.

I find it hard to believe that someone would leave with literally nothing unless they were physically chased or fled from the house, and if that were the case the kids would not have been with her.

 

[LadyL]

I'm trying to figure out what the relevance is about her dad being annoyed. He relayed that info and it helps with the timeline that the kids woke him up by being loud. Beyond that I'm trying to understand what the discussion is trying to get at.

 

[Natal]

I thought the mother left at 6:00am also, so is that article incorrectly worded or did someone else see Venus outside at 7:00am? I've never understood where the "7:10am-8:30am" timeline came from unless she was known to be alive at 7:10am and dad didn't awaken until 8:30am? MOO

I would guess that someone in the house recieved or made a phone call at that time, and it was assumed to be her. Alternatively, some sort of internet traffic. 7.10AM is very specific, so it has to be something like that.

 

[Natal]

That could be ~ I forgot she'd be old enough to possibly give that information. :doh:

I doubt 5 year olds keep track of time that well.

 

[LadyL]

I don't recall any reports that he was or wasn't at work that day. We don't know anything about his alibi AFAIK other than at least two people can place him in Newport that day.

People leaving relationships very suddenly often don't take much stuff with them, but usually they will take transportation if it is available. If the allegations are to be believed, the motivation for leaving would be her alleged discovery of molestation that supposedly happened many months prior. So there was no iminent threat to motivate leaving like that. In that sort of situation you would think that the person leaving would take some things, such as basic clothing, valuables and whatever transportation was available to them.

I have a friend who's cousin had his wife take off. He come home from work one day to find her gone and half the furniture missing. No apparent warning.

I find it hard to believe that someone would leave with literally nothing unless they were physically chased or fled from the house, and if that were the case the kids would not have been with her.

[bbm]

it happens
sometimes the possessions are not worth the hassle

 

[pufnstuf]

wait, her mother left at 6 a.m.?

so where does the 7:10 a.m. time come in?

and how are they able to be so exact? :waitasec:

SPECULATION: is it possible the mail carrier saw her and knows what time he/she made pickups on that road?

I wonder what time the rural mail carrier pulls out of the post office on his delivery route. hmmm... let me go look at the location of the post office. I'll map it....brb.

ETA. No need to map it. The McCombs live 2 and a half miles from the post office. That doesn't mean that they're first or last on the route, though. Depends on which end of their carrier's loop that they're on. I don't know of anyone who gets deliveries before 8AM anywhere. Depends on when the US Mail semi arrives with the Colon mail, which then has to be sorted by route before any of the carriers can begin their routes.

 

[Natal]

[bbm]

it happens
sometimes the possessions are not worth the hassle

Not when you are in a city far from home. You would at least take the car. Otherwise what would you do...walk? take the bus?

I can see it if you have friends or family close by, since you could allways come back later to collect your property, with a police escort if necessary.

 

[mommame]

I'm trying to figure out what the relevance is about her dad being annoyed. He relayed that info and it helps with the timeline that the kids woke him up by being loud. Beyond that I'm trying to understand what the discussion is trying to get at.

I agree......I was simply trying to point out that just because he sleeps in. It may be his sleep pattern and doesn't make him a grumpy man just because he doesn't like getting woke up by noisy children.

 

[Natal]

wait, her mother left at 6 a.m.?

so where does the 7:10 a.m. time come in?

and how are they able to be so exact? :waitasec:

SPECULATION: is it possible the mail carrier saw her and knows what time he/she made pickups on that road?

If the father's hypothesis is correct, that would mean that she would have been jumped while the mail carrier was in the immediate vicinity. That doesn't seem too likely.

If she was abducted I think it more likely that a phone call was made at 7.10AM and she agreed to meet whoever it was outside. Then an argument ensued, a scuffle and whatever happened then.

 

[mommame]

Not when you are in a city far from home. You would at least take the car. Otherwise what would you do...walk? take the bus? open an interdimensional portal?

I can see it if you have friends or family close by, since you could allways come back later to collect your property, with a police escort if necessary.

She could have easily called a Taxi and thats how she got to the Airport IF thats how she got back to Mi..........Her parents could have went and got her and the kids.

 

[LadyL]

Another point I haven't seen made is that it takes 13+ hours to drive
according to google maps but that's going the speed limit I assume.

While I know that someone who just committed a crime would probably want to stay within the speed limit to avoid suspicion, that doesn't always happen.

I don't know anything about the speed limits down there or how strictly they enforce them BUT

I do know that one can shave quite a bit of time off of a trip by speeding and on the highways here, they don't even give you a second glance unless you're going 30k+ above the speed limit (they're looking for the racing charges and the big fines). 100 km/hr. is the speed limit on major thoroughfares here - most people go 120 bare minimum and I'd say a good 15% travel at 140.

If Doug were to stay with the flow of traffic and that flow of traffic were significantly speeding, his trip could take much less time IMO.

 

[panthera]

I doubt 5 year olds keep track of time that well.

I agree, unless she was watching something on tv that could be tracked back to that time. I wasn't thinking of her specifically looking at the clock and telling LE that mommy walked out the door at 7:10am.