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If GZ did start the physical altercations that would make him an aggressor. But there are no witnesses who can provide evidence of that.
Lets say they arrest him. But when he comes at trial there is no enough evidence to prove anything and he is let go. Is that going to make anyone happy?
The language is vague so what we want to do is point out that you cannot initiate contact, said Smith, D-Fort Lauderdale, who voted against the bill while in the Florida House in 2005.
Smith said justifiable homicide has increased three-fold since the stand your grand law went into effect seven years ago, with many of the victims black.
What its done is, it has emboldened those who are sometimes looking for confrontation, because they realize they have the shield of this law. This is a classic case of, if its my word against yours and you happen to be dead, theres no way of knowing, he said.
Prosecutors opposed the Stand Your Ground law, and they still complain about it. It is an abomination, former Broward County Prosecutor David Frankel told the Sun Sentinel in January. The ultimate intent might be good, but in practice, people take the opportunity to shoot first and say later they had a justification. It almost gives them a free pass to shoot.
Zimmerman is very well protected by Fl self-defense law (despite what people who wrote it now say). If he is considered an aggressor, he would not be protected-but for that they would have to prove he is the one that started the fight. There are no witnesses as far as I can tell that can prove it one way or the other. And authorities don't seem to think that they can consider him following Trayvon an act of aggression in itself. So what exactly should be done in this situation?
Tray's own MOTHER listened to the tape and she ID'd her son's voice.
I had 3 children, each was about 16 months apart in age. I could tell each one's cough, sniffle, sneeze, cry, etc apart. A mother knows her child's voice and even their sounds.
I also don't believe that the consistently high pitch of the voice screaming for help would be possible to come from a man who is almost 30 years old.
So we don't arrest people and have a trial because if the defendant is found non guilty people won't be happy?
Tray can be heard on a recording screaming "HELP!" less than a second before Zimmerman shot him dead.
Does that mean that you think Tray was beating Zimmerman up to the point that Zimmerman felt his life was in danger....but all the while that Tray is supposedly beating the crap out of Zimmerman he is screaming "NO, NO, HELP, NO, HELP!"
Interesting viewpoint....and I can't even fathom it.
Sorry, but I don't understand all this nail-biting, hand-wringing, and talk of "pending" riots just because people are protesting and rightfully upset, IMO, about a serious injustice.
Where were the histrionics during the numerous Occupy protests?
I'm pretty sure I understand the reasons, but I really hate to think we still haven't progressed past the 1960s.
Sorry, but I don't understand all this nail-biting, hand-wringing, and talk of "pending" riots just because people are protesting and rightfully upset, IMO, about a serious injustice.
Where were the histrionics during the numerous Occupy protests?
I'm pretty sure I understand the reasons, but I really hate to think we still haven't progressed past the 1960s.
This is going to get ugly QUICK! More and more people showing up. They are expecting thousands at the "peaceful" rally tonite at 7... Had to move locations because they were expecting more people.
And why is Al sharpton waiting until DARK to have this protest?
Don't get me wrong. I agree we need to see justice, but I am very afraid of what this can turn into .
This is now focusing on race. "Stop killing our black men" being chanted over and over.
Unless they can do a voice analysis none of this is convincing to me. None of the witnesses on 911 call could say which one was screaming.
If Zimmerman was the one screaming he could have stopped because there was no longer a fight.
There is a witness corroborating that, and GZ had injuries as well. It's not true that there is no evidence GZ was attacked imo.
Yes. Which is legal.
If GZ did start the physical altercations that would make him an aggressor. But there are no witnesses who can provide evidence of that.
Agreed.
I'll bet it is. I think he thinks he will satisfy some of the outraged nation by this maneuver. Why resign? We simply want an arrest. A temporary resignation is not going to satisfy the public. He avoids having to do the right thing by temporarily stepping down.
Black people get the cops called on them ALL the time for just walking down the street. If her son was doing nothing but walking, it's a safe assumption to make that the police were called simply due to the color of his skin.
You know, there has been study after study that indicates people of color, especially black people, are treated and perceived differently, regardless of how they present themselves or how they are dressed. Yet I keep hearing this assumption/inference, mostly by white people, that black people are paranoid, they cry "racism" too much, for anything, and use it as a divisive excuse.
Sure, there are a few people who will use the cry of racism falsely and to their advantage, but black people and other minorities experience overt and subtle discrimination every.single.day. I have seen it and heard it numerous times.
I just don't understand the defensive, passionate attempts to prove that what black folks experience is a figment of their imaginations. It's a reality that is borne out by study after study, statistic after statistic and experience after experience. Walk a mile.Black & Dangerous (Part 1 of 4): Black Male Stereotypes & Weapons Detection - YouTube
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he became the agressor the moment he got out of his car and went after Mr Martin and took the law into his own hands. And as it turns out he ended up killing an innocent young man.
Absolutely.
The act of being the first aggressor as a self defense claim doesn't just start at the moment they came into contact. It began when GZ made his intent known to willingly and knowingly go after an innocent kid, ( who by the way had EVERY RIGHT to walk in that development as a guest,) his words go towards that intent. It doesn't even matter that 911 couldn't force him to stop following Tray, GZ had a lot of contact with 911, he knows that when they caution you, especially if you're acting as the Neighborhood Watch person, it's for good cause. They said 'we don't need you to do that", that sound like they're saying, you're not helping, let us do our job.
GZ chose to go after Tray, his mind was made up ( by his own words) that Tray was a effing ****, one of those *advertiser censored****** that always gets away. there's just no denying that. That's all part of what his mindset was at the time.
So many legal experts, even ones who support this law, state the same thing.
And frankly, who cares what SPD said, their word in this case doesn't seem to be good for much.
JMHO
There is a witness corroborating that, and GZ had injuries as well. It's not true that there is no evidence GZ was attacked imo.
Not if CZ put his hands on him to keep him from getting away.
It has to be a reasonable fear. Injury from wrestling match is not reasonable fear for your life.
If GZ did start the physical altercations that would make him an aggressor. But there are no witnesses who can provide evidence of that.
Yep, just brush it under the rug, it will all come down out in the wash. The life of a 17-year-old child is nothing.