Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #9 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

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RBBM: :rocker: Exactly !


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If Marlene would have found out at 10 am she would have probably started looking for Sierra on her own. Even if she had contacted LE earlier chances are they would not have acted any quicker as they typically don't with teenagers considering they skip school. LE a lot of times will only file a report and do nothing until 24-48 hours has passed. I think LE did a great job by taking this seriously as quickly as they did.
 
IMO, LE has been on the ball from the get go on this case. They took it seriously from the beginning and have thrown a ton of resources into this case.
 
Hello, long time lurker, first time posting.

Just a few observations:

Sierra gave her phone number to one of her friends in a twitter post several months back. If someone was stalking her, they can do a reverse phone search and likely be able to find her address.

Also, she tweeted something to the effect of, " Its cold out here, I wish the bus would hurry up", fairly recently. That information would have given a potential stalker the information about what time she generally waited for the bus without having to drive by the area in advance.

I am not convinced it was a stalker necessarily but just throwing that out there.

My last comment is about the man who sierra had "convos" with, and posted screen shots of the conversations.
I was creeped out by the exchanges, especially when he said, "Guess who like you Sierra"?
I tried to find a twitter account with that name, but had no luck. I am certain the name is East Indian, as he appears to be.
I could not find anyone with a matching name, anywhere.
My thoughts on the exchange are based on having been a teenage girl at one point in time.
A. She was either mocking him, or was friendly enough with him that she felt she could play around with him.
B. The fact that she took screen shots of the convos and posted them in her images is something else to consider.
C. He is not listed in her followers, nor is she following him. How they know each other is not apparent.
D. When he says, " How's high school, it comes across as a question from an older person, or someone overseas. (just how it seems to me, no logic behind this really)
E. She gave the description, "Convos with S********h" in her title of the pic, which suggests someone else may know who he is or how she knows him.
None of these things indicate any necessary connection, but are good to consider.



I an East Indian, so I can assure you he's not east indian. That last name is not east indian, not sure where you got this information from?
Venkatesh is a hindu name. Don't agree, well heres a link: http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=venkatesh

This technicality doesn't have much relevance to the case, but still.
Just correcting you.

Hello... First time poster here. I just wanted to mention that Venkatesh also isn't the name of the person whose convo she posted. It still may be a fake convo but the guy is on Facebook and if his profile picture really is him, then he doesn't look very old.
 
Hello... First time poster here. I just wanted to mention that Venkatesh also isn't the name of the person whose convo she posted. It still may be a fake convo but the guy is on Facebook and if his profile picture really is him, then he doesn't look very old.

So what was this guys name that Sierra Lamar had a convo with and posted the pic on twitter? The ones I saw had a "Venkatesh" and I went thru all her pictures, its the only ones I saw with this guy.
 
Or, it was family or a close acquaintance and the crime occurred between 9pm, Thursday when her phone shut off and 6am or up to 7:15am, Friday


:moo: I agree !

I think it is a POSSIBILITY that something happened Thursday night ... nothing has been ruled out IMO ...

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So what was this guys name that Sierra Lamar had a convo with and posted the pic on twitter? The ones I saw had a "Venkatesh" and I went thru all her pictures, its the only ones I saw with this guy.

If he's minor I don't think I can say but the ones I saw had the initials S.N. Maybe we are talking about different ones but the ones I saw were the one where he ask how high school is and tells her she looks pretty and the one where she says she likes food and he asks if she knows who likes her. I found them by clicking the recent images link on her twitter and looking through all the pix.
 
Early morning is an excellent time to abduct someone. It's so counter - intuitive,to think that an evil stranger is up and plotting at an early hour.IMO we often associate such things with nightime and darkness.So the early morning abductor has an added element of surprise. MOO And IMO the people who did this knew Sierra was alone in that house. But, it hardly seems to matter ; Holly Bobo's brother watched her being taken into the woods...supposedly. MOO

IMO it is interesting to note that for males, testosterone peaks in the morning. (Note: I don't know about the linked site, how good it is in general, but I feel fine linking it for this because I know it is correct and I can't link my physio textbook lol.)
 
Why would Marlene check the home access center if she thought Sierra had gone to school?

I think that would be used by a parent who was having a big problem with their kids skipping school and we have heard nothing that indicates Sierra was this type of child.

IMO
If she had "trouble" at her past school (she left her old school in October/not the end of the school year or even the end of the first semester), her parents should be frequently checking everything related to her new school.
 
That may be true, but she thought Sierra was in school and she had no reason to think otherwise. And there isnt anything showing Sierra was a school skipper either or that Marlene has had prior problems with her skipping.

But it still would not have saved Sierra from her abductor. If the school updated it at around 10 am then Sierra would have been with her kidnapper for almost three hours by then and could have been 150 miles+ up the road and no one would even know which direction he went.

IMO

Thanks for the voice of reason. IMO My daughter's school rarely gets it right, and the alert comes after 5:00 pm. Honestly, there are many false positives, saying that my daughter was absent in "one or more classes". If not checking on her daughter every morning to make sure she got to school makes a parent a bad mother, then sadly, I am one. But, I would posit, a person who does check on their daughter each and every day to make sure she made it to school opens another can of worms about parenting skills.
 
If Marlene would have found out at 10 am she would have probably started looking for Sierra on her own. Even if she had contacted LE earlier chances are they would not have acted any quicker as they typically don't with teenagers considering they skip school. LE a lot of times will only file a report and do nothing until 24-48 hours has passed. I think LE did a great job by taking this seriously as quickly as they did.


BBM: Not necessarily, as it has been reported that Sierra was not one to "skip school" ... And who knows what she would have done, and who knows what any other parent would have done under these circumstances ...

The bottom line is it is a parent's duty to make sure their child gets to school safely ... and NOT using the school's automated system is "odd" IMO especially when your child has to walk ALONE to get TO the bus stop ...

Sierra walked ALONE to her school bus stop which is a few blocks down the road from her home ... and now she is MISSING ... no one saw anything ... no one heard anything ...

Sierra was abducted by someone on her way to school bus stop ... NO WHERE is SAFE any more !

It is a dangerous world we live in ...

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While I see where they will call home when a child misses a class or the whole day a message will be sent home.... I see nowhere where it states you will be notified immediately if a child misses a class....where did you find that. I am looking at Sobrato High School link....

http://sobratohs.ca.campusgrid.net/...ion/Policies+and+Procedures/Attendance+Policy

Oh and it also states this....
Parents/guardians are encouraged to call the Attendance Office
between the hours of 7:30AM and 3:30PM to monitor their student’s
attendance. Please call 201-6204, 6221 or 6222. Parents/guardians
are also encouraged to leave messages for individual teachers
regarding attendance or other issues of concern. Please call 201-
6200, then you can dial by name or by extension number. Teachers
should respond within 2 days.

The information is from the Morgan Hill Times News article, I posted and came directly from the superintendent.

http://www.morganhilltimes.com/news...cle_3b606aa4-7d3b-11e1-a833-001a4bcf6878.html

Morgan Hill Times
Posted: Monday, April 2, 2012 8:15 pm | Updated: 8:52 pm, Mon Apr 2, 2012.

Teen’s disappearance opens questions about district’s notification system

"MHUSD has two systems currently in place to notify parents of an absence at the high school level: an automated voice call that goes out about 6 p.m. and a system called the Home Access Center."

"The Home Access Center is a website where parents can log on online and see in real-time if they're child did or did not show up to a class that day. They can see, for example, if their child cut class during fifth period, or check on their grades. The system can also notify them by email in real-time."
 
BBM: Not necessarily, as it has been reported that Sierra was not one to "skip school" ... And who knows what she would have done, and who knows what any other parent would have done under these circumstances ...

The bottom line is it is a parent's duty to make sure their child gets to school safely ... and NOT using the school's automated system is "odd" IMO especially when your child has to walk ALONE to get TO the bus stop ...

Sierra walked ALONE to her school bus stop which is a few blocks down the road from her home ... and now she is MISSING ... no one saw anything ... no one heard anything ...

Sierra was abducted by someone on her way to school bus stop ... NO WHERE is SAFE any more !

It is a dangerous world we live in ...

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Statistically, a teen is far more likely to die in their mother's car than to be a victim of crime during a walk of a couple blocks - especially in a rural area. Just sayin'.
 
Thanks for the voice of reason. IMO My daughter's school rarely gets it right, and the alert comes after 5:00 pm. Honestly, there are many false positives, saying that my daughter was absent in "one or more classes". If not checking on her daughter every morning to make sure she got to school makes a parent a bad mother, then sadly, I am one. But, I would posit, a person who does check on their daughter each and every day to make sure she made it to school opens another can of worms about parenting skills.

The Home Access system sends a message during the day if the child missed a class period, or view online in real time. There is no need with this attendance system to checkup everyday.
 
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Let me see if I can express what I previously posted a little more clearer :

You have a child/teenage student who has to walk a few blocks down the road from the house to catch the school bus -- keep in mind, NO ONE is walking with the student as in Sierra's case -- she is ALONE going to her bus stop.

The parent LEAVES the home BEFORE the student leaves the home and walks to the school bus stop to take her to school.

So parent goes to work ... in the meantime, the student is heading to the school bus stop a few blocks DOWN THE ROAD from the home and student walks there ALONE !

Any parent who is concerned about their child's SAFETY would check and make sure their child got to school safely -- especially when they walk alone to the school bus!

This is NOT about "skipping school" ... or "cutting classes" ...

This is plain and simple "common sense" in the DANGEROUS "day and age" we live in !

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IMO,

Sierra is not in kindergarden. If there have been no issues with skipping school there is no need for her mom to call the school or go online everyday to make sure she has shown up. And not checking with the school every morning in no way makes her mother not concerned about Sierra's safety. And it doesn't mean she doesn't have any "common sense".

Again, My own opinion!
 
IMO it is interesting to note that for males, testosterone peaks in the morning. (Note: I don't know about the linked site, how good it is in general, but I feel fine linking it for this because I know it is correct and I can't link my physio textbook lol.)

Very interesting. This is also interesting, from your link:

A man’s testosterone is affected by things he does. For instance, his testosterone level rises when he drinks alcohol or caffeine, sees an action movie, plays video games or competes in or anticipates a sports game or game of chess. His testosterone also rises when he simply watches his favorite team compete.
 
So sad, nothing new in terms of clues or a POI in Sierra's case.

I still don't have a feel for whether the abductor was a stranger or someone she knew, just not enough evidence to even make a guess. It could go either way, IMO.
 
Are we allowed to sleuth RSO's according to WebSleuth policy? Can we post what we find on here for others to help, give opinions on. I found somthing that is a red flag for me...I am researching my butt off now.... What am I allowed to post?
 
You know, I really don't see how second guessing & character assassinating a crime victim (Sierra's mom is a victim until LE tells us otherwise) just because they are a parent should in any way be a part of discussions on a victim-friendly forum. I keep seeing this happen, and as a parent it hurts for me to see them re-victimized by 'shoulda coulda woulda' attacks.

Sorry if this comes across as too harsh, and Mods, if it is inappropriate please delete it and admonish me.
 
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Let me see if I can express what I previously posted a little more clearer :

You have a child/teenage student who has to walk a few blocks down the road from the house to catch the school bus -- keep in mind, NO ONE is walking with the student as in Sierra's case -- she is ALONE going to her bus stop.

The parent LEAVES the home BEFORE the student leaves the home and walks to the school bus stop to take her to school.

So parent goes to work ... in the meantime, the student is heading to the school bus stop a few blocks DOWN THE ROAD from the home and student walks there ALONE !

Any parent who is concerned about their child's SAFETY would check and make sure their child got to school safely -- especially when they walk alone to the school bus!

This is NOT about "skipping school" ... or "cutting classes" ...

This is plain and simple "common sense" in the DANGEROUS "day and age" we live in !

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dog.gone.cute I couldn't agree more with you about this issue.. Some may say that Sierra was 15 and plenty old enough to not have to be watched over with this type of check in with mom.. I say no way, Jose is it too much to ask, too overbearing, or overly protective.. Not in the very least..

My son is almost 1 year younger than Sierra he's 14, halfway to 15 yrs old and is in his last year of middle school.. We live literally 200+ yards away from the front door of his middle school.. So extremely close that he is not even eligible to ride the bus.. Literally 2 football fields away from the entrance door, tho due to the fact that there is about a 90* left turn between our house and the school I cannot however visually see him make it the full distance onto school property and through that front entrance.. He walks nearly EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE SCHOOL YEAR(in Memphis so our winters are mild) this is his preference.. The only time he does not walk to/from school is of course on days that it's raining(and honestly even sometimes on those days he calls and says don't come pick me up we're all walking home in the rain..lol.. Go figure it's three boys..lol).. There are two other boys that live on our street that he walks along with to/from school every day..

And let me say that even so we are so craZily close in distance from our house to the front door of the school.. And even so he's almost 15 and about to start highschool.. And even so he is walking this extremely short distance accompanied by 2 other 14yr old fully capable boys.. Even so all of that my son IS REQUIRED TO TEXT MESSAGE ME THE MOMENT HE IS AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE THAT IS FULLY STAFFED, along with off duty sheriffs deputy, and two crossing guards.. This is not an option and he is well aware of its importance from learning there would be consequences if he chose to not be diligent in making certain to do this without fail EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE SCHOOL YEAR(he forgot twice at the beginning of the year and lost his privilege to walk to school and use of his phone for a week)..and so that's exactly what he does without fail everyday, Mon-Fri..

With the same being true on his way back home after school in that he is to text message me the moment he's out the front entrance before he walks over the cross walk to let me know they're on their way home..3 mins later he's walking through my front door..

I do not want my child to have to suffer because of the evil all around us and I have found for me personally I feel as tho he is still being allowed to be a kid who likes walking to school with his buddies..but that we have a system in place that would allow me to know within 5 minutes of my son leaving home if something were to have happened to him such as being abducted.. If I've not heard from him in 5-6mins I call his phone.. When he didn't answer that one time early on that I mentioned he'd forgotten.. Within 5mins of my last having seen my son I was on the phone with the front office having them check to make sure he had made it to school.. And he had but with school rules being that once in school his phone is to be kept on silent not only did he forget to text me that morning, but when I called his phone I of course got no answer due to the ringer being off..

Now you factor in the setting and situation of Sierra's walk to the bus each morning with the area being extremely rural, her not accompanied by anyone, but rather walking all alone, a much much much further distance than the couple hundred yards my son walks, and on top of it all once arriving at the bus stop she is STILL COMPLETELY ALL ALONE IN A QUITE REMOTE AREA.. It is my opinion only that for there not to have been some type of check in with mom, dad, Rick, anybody for that matter.. Just to have her check in with somebody the moment her butt hit the seat of that school bus to let it be known she's safe and sound.. I just cannot personally fathom how I as her mom would be able to go throughout my day not having a clue if she made it on the bus that day.. And not just an abduction but my God a dog attack, her trip and fall and break an ankle..or hell had a severe asthma attack.. Lose consciousness.. And be alone at the house and never even was able to get to the bus stop.. No one would even find her til that evening when mom or Rick returned.. IMO too much to risk to not have a check in policy in place..

But all in all these are nothing more than jmo, tho!!


Still posting via mobile so plz forgive the large number of errors in my posts;)
 
I actually think LE not only allows this sort of thing but openly encourages it.
If a family member is suspected you want them in a different setting to be on record making statements. Even if they are not suspects, they may open up a bit more on a venue different than say, down at the police station.
You want them to talk and talk and talk...

True, but Clint was an eyewitness, the only person who could tell LE that an abduction have actually occurred before his eyes. And he is a grown man, not a teen or a child, so expectations that he would be able to clearly tell what he saw were greater, IMO.

I see where you are going with this line of thinking.... I may be alone in my beliefs ,but I think the families owe the public NO explanations. As long as they are forthcoming and cooperate fully with LE, they should not have to be cross examined by the public in giving interviews. They are in the midst of a life changing event .

As far as Clint is concerned , perhaps LE already felt he did state clearly what he saw, and were satisfied with his answers. It became a nightmare when he and his family began being interviewed by various media outlets. I have always believed there are things about that day we the public are not and should not be privy too. Confusion sets in when normal people are asked by LE to withhold information that may damage the investigation. Without these key pieces their story will NEVER make complete sense. This in turn invites suspicion.

MOO-----Don't do interviews, leave that to the professionals. It only muddies the waters.....but that's just me.:moo:
 
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