George Zimmerman's Injuries #1

[Quiche]

I haven't come across any evidence that refutes GZ's claim of self defense. I have read a lot of wild speculation but no evidence (medical report, statements to LE, etc).

Well, I'm just using my own eyes, and the ramrod straight bridge of his nose is telling, imo.

I think his DR. probably said (like mine would have), Yeah, it could be broken-- we could xray, but it doesn't look bad enough to reset. What do you want to do? My answer would be-- yeah, leave it alone.

JMO

 

[gxm]

I've been following along, but I admit I haven't read every post/page. I just wanted to add that, for reference, I just googled "broken nose" and pulled up the Images-- I scanned over several pages of different looking injuries, and on page six one jumped out at me as out of place: George Zimmerman.

I recommend taking a gander-- http://www.google.com/search?q=brok...w&biw=1173&bih=585&sei=7nO6T-_GA6vYiQLC-bHKBg

...in my head I'm singing this song...

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JMO

I disagree. I saw many that resembled GZ's nose injury.

 

[miimaa]

Where is proof that GZ lied? Anyone?
GZ said he was attacked. Photos, medical report, LE statement of bleeding, clothing wet and with grass support that IMO.

I don't believe that GZ set out to stalk or track or hunt down anyone. He may have been an over zealous neighborhood watch guy. It's a bad deal how it went down but I really do not believe for one second he willfully or intentionally murdered TM. I don't believe LE are trying to cover up anything.

If he had shot TM first, then called 911 to stage a cover up -- then I'd wonder too how he got the injuries, etc. If there had been prior situations of him confronting or stalking people in the neighborhood but IMO there is nothing to indicate to me that GZ was willful or had malicious intent.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I've been following along, but I admit I haven't read every post/page. I just wanted to add that, for reference, I just googled "broken nose" and pulled up the Images-- I scanned over several pages of different looking injuries, and on page six one jumped out at me as out of place: George Zimmerman.

I recommend taking a gander-- http://www.google.com/search?q=brok...w&biw=1173&bih=585&sei=7nO6T-_GA6vYiQLC-bHKBg

...in my head I'm singing this song...

Sesame Street: One of These Things - YouTube


JMO

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[Dr.Fessel]

Thank you [clap]

There is a witness who has asked that his identity not be revealed. He saw TM on top of GZ beating him.

I think if you go over to the witness thread you will find out that is not true. He changed his whole story.

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[magnolia]

I disagree. I saw many that resembled GZ's nose injury.

I was just about to post this. I saw many as well.

 

[claudicici]

Like many of you I just don't get GZ's injuries.Unless TM fights like a middle school girl or a cat because all I see is scratches.It literally looks like a mad kitty was put on his head.If TM scratched GZ up like that he would have lots of GZ DNA under his nails.
I had a broken nose before,I had a black eye before.It looked nothing like GZ.The nose bleeding would not stop.They packed it with gauze.How was GZ walking around without bleeding 40minutes after he supposedly got his nose broken?Something is just not right at all.

 

[claudicici]

I was just about to post this. I saw many as well.

where? How do you even see a "nose injury" on gz?

 

[Karmady]

I was just about to post this. I saw many as well.

Plus, I'm guessing that the most likely type of closed nose fractures to be photographed and put on the internet are those that are particularly "ugly" and/or high-profile. I mentioned before, I've had my nose broken several times and it was, and remains very small and straight, with only a slight bump that's not observable unless you are looking for it, but is obvious to the touch. I really don't think you can generalize much, since at least two of my breaks were caused by relatively hard blows. They were just straight on. jmo

 

[whateva]

wow... the thread is a little crazy

- a broken nose does not always result in a large amount of swelling and a crooked nose like from a fight movie... frequently they can be closed fractures of the upper nasal bone with no deformity... I've had one

- such a fracture can result in two black eyes... again, had one

- Generally physicians are expert at mitigating liability.... they need to be as 100% of what they do is a potential lawsuit waiting to happen.... knowing there was an incident resulting in a homicide... there is NO way a 3rd party physician is going to lie the least bit about G's injuries... so alleging that one lied to 'help' a patient is on the verge of being outrageous conspiracy theory

- as a matter of practice, it's highly doubtful G's physician took a pic of his black eyes... (when's the last time a doc took a pic of you in exam?) that almost never happens so whomever was demanding those pics is probably out of luck

- it seems laughable to propose that G's 5 separate injuries (2x back of head, broken nose, bruised lip, strained back) were the result of a run in with a utility box while he was trying to regain sight of T

 

[Dr.Fessel]

wow... the thread is a little crazy

- a broken nose does not always result in a large amount of swelling and a crooked nose like from a fight movie... frequently they can be closed fractures of the upper nasal bone with no deformity... I've had one

- such a fracture can result in two black eyes... again, had one

- Generally physicians are expert at mitigating liability.... they need to be as 100% of what they do is a potential lawsuit waiting to happen.... knowing there was an incident resulting in a homicide... there is NO way a 3rd party physician is going to lie the least bit about G's injuries... so alleging that one lied to 'help' a patient is on the verge of being outrageous conspiracy theory

- as a matter of practice, it's highly doubtful G's physician took a pic of his black eyes... (when's the last time a doc took a pic of you in exam?) that almost never happens so whomever was demanding those pics is probably out of luck

- it seems laughable to propose that G's 5 separate injuries (2x back of head, broken nose, bruised lip, strained back) were the result of a run in with a utility box while he was trying to regain sight of T

Well there was a white pitbull loose in the area and we know it was because of a dog Zimmerman bought his gun. Maybe he was running from it and hit something?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

The witness remains consistent by saying Martin was on top, in control, and had the advantage.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Wit...6/-/index.html

I think if you read that again he is referring to Zimmerman holding Martin.

 

[cityslick]

I think if you read that again he is referring to Zimmerman holding Martin.

What? How do you get that from the article (hate going OT):

But in follow-up interviews with the state attorney's office and Florida Department of Law Enforcement, his statement changed. In re-telling his story, he remained consistent by saying Martin was on top, in control, and had the advantage, but now, he wasn't sure if Martin was the aggressor.

W6: Did not hear a punch sound.
SAO: Did ever hear a sound like a head or another part of a body hitting concrete hard where it made a noise?
W6: No, I did not.
SAO: Did you hear it at all, like any...?
W6: Just the struggle sound.

Witness 6 went on to say, "I can't truly see how close they were to each other; if he was hitting him, or if he was trying to hold him down in that position until cops got there."

Witness 6 did not see how the fight started or witness the gunshot, and while he gave a detailed account of what happened, other witnesses spoke to Zimmerman's character.

 

[pcrum12]

Plus, I'm guessing that the most likely type of closed nose fractures to be photographed and put on the internet are those that are particularly "ugly" and/or high-profile. I mentioned before, I've had my nose broken several times and it was, and remains very small and straight, with only a slight bump that's not observable unless you are looking for it, but is obvious to the touch. I really don't think you can generalize much, since at least two of my breaks were caused by relatively hard blows. They were just straight on. jmo

My daughter's nose has been broken twice. I couldn't even tell at all. But she sure could!

 

[Lovelymountains]

Hit his head on a meter? WTH? Did he hit both the back of his head and his own face to result in broken nose and two black eyes? Did the EYE witness that saw TM on top of GZ punching him lie?

It takes only 1 punch to break the nose and result in both eyes becoming black.

NO WHERE is there 'evidence' that GZ was chasing TM. He was on his cell phone with 911 -- he left his vehicle and was WALKING around looking for TM because he thought a stranger in the neighborhood should be checked out -- when the dispatcher told GZ he didn't need to follow TM, GZ was returning to his vehicle when TM approached him from behind.

If you have seen 'evidence' that GZ was running please share.

That is what exactly Zimmerman claims. However, he had just shot a man who was lying dead on the grass. I don't think we can take his word as true without considering other factors. Prisons are full of people who say they didn't do anything wrong. Should we let them out on their word? Who benefits from this version? GZ. IMO his minor injuries do not agree with his version of events. For instance, there is no way that, if TM were on top of him and banging his head on a cement walkway, how did TM's body end up face down away from the cement sidewalk? It isn't possible. Two people saw the actual shooting. One of those people is dead. Do we take the word of the shooter at face value?
GZ's "Injuries" appear to be scratches. There is no proof that his nose was broken other than his saying so. In fact, even he couldn't know if it were broken because his doctor did not say it was and GZ declined to see a specialist. The small laceration on his nose doesn't look like a serious blow to me. Looks like he cut his nose on something other than TM's fist. In fact, how could TM have struck him in the nose with no evidence on TM's hand that he did so? A very small abrasion on TM's left ring finger, not even on his knuckle. Unless TM were wearing boxing gloves, this would have left a mark and as far as I know, the "Witness" who said that TM was hitting GZ Mixed Martial Arts style must have been halucinating because as far as we know, TM has had no training in the martial arts.
I think not.

 

[stmarysmead]

http://localtvwjw.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-evidence-2.jpg?w=627

 

[LambChop]

Respectfully, this is the exact wording of the article. The witness did not state that Zimmerman was holding Martin.

According to the article, this is what the witness stated.

In re-telling his story, he remained consistent by saying Martin was on top, in control, and had the advantage, but now, he wasn't sure if Martin was the aggressor.


"I can't truly see how close they were to each other; if he was hitting him, or if he was trying to hold him down in that position until cops got there."

The only one who knew LE was coming was GZ. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I think if you read that again he is referring to Zimmerman holding Martin.

I wonder if John is changing his story because he was the one who had come out after the shooting and talked to GZ? jmo

 

[diesel]

I don't know how GZ got a straight scratch on his nose by being punched but assume more will come out at a trial. Hopefully his statements to LE will be released long before that.

I believe all of us would be relieved and have high praise for any 17 year old kid managing to get away (by fighting) from a stranger whom the kid had no doubt was following him/her and didn't know why. To my knowledge GZ did not identify himself. Trayvon stood his ground.

JMO

 

[AJ Noiter]

AJ Noiter, no, that still wouldn't work. Zimmerman's arms are pinned and he could barely raise the gun up to TM's hips. It would be a very, very contorted TM to make that even close.

As opposed to being able to defend himself and not, and probably NOT being able to reach his weapon? If you think about it I actually GAVE the Martin supporters a bit because with what I said it removes Mr. Martin from seeing or going for the weapon. Again, the picture was in comparison to another that someone else was posting. You even quoted me saying "I don't think this is exactly how it happened, but it's probably closer than the other." It's not likely that the other photo is closer to what happened simply because, as you can see in the other photo, Mr. Zimmerman's hands are FREE to defend himself. We know he didn't have any reported bruising on his arms, and we know that Mr. Martin didn't have any bruises other than one on his knuckle.