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IMO, in order to survive such a dysfuntionial system they, the abused, LEARN to lie and manipulate in order to survive.
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What in internet "speak"(!) does trolling mean and what , online, is its purpose.
troll for me started in the times of usenet posting and mIRC chat, you would always find someone who would post odd things in forums, boards, chats just to get a reaction from other users. We called it 'trolls'. The stronger the reaction (more hateful replies) the better they feel and keep on going. They like to push others people buttons on the internet. Many trolls don't really mean what they say, they will for example post something outrageous like for example some stuff I read around the web about the killvid: 'I've just watched 1lunatic 1ice pick video and is just so sexy, I love chinese food, don't you guys think Luka is amazing?" (you get the idea) and then they get a kick of how many angry replies they get from other users. If they get banned, they will get another ID or IP address in some anonymous proxy and get back to the same forum and keep trolling and making people mad... so I think some of the kids in that Magnotta facebook fan club are just trolls, they want to shock, IDK...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
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oh my god 'I've just watched 1lunatic 1ice pick video and is just so sexy, I love chinese food, don't you guys think Luka is amazing?"
that is gross , so that is what folks are doing online! Bizaire how could getting people pissed be fun
ah haa the old adeage negative attention is better than none.....huh ?
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Of course we do - the CAS...."Children's Aide Society".
I'm not Baudi but I suspect that video was recorded in 2007 when Luka visited the Manati Park, Punta Cana Dominican Republic. That park is known for animal cruelty, dolphin deaths and you can pay to have your picture taken holding the snake, it looks like the same snake that Magnotta used on the python video, look at the picture from his photobucket, it has a stamp in the picture from the Manati park, so it was most likely taken by the photographer that works there. He definitely knew someone that worked there at the park, photographer, caretaker, veterinarian, etc who would let him take care of the snake. Also some snake owners around the world feed kittens, puppies, rabbits, mice to their snakes, so whoever owns that snake from python video, probably is very used to do that kind of feeding and agreed with Magnotta. That wouldn't surprise me.
We should find out who is that other person holding that snake in the video.
I'm attaching pics of Magnotta and another tourist:
source: http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/1b9f9b/
Something I thought a bit strange about the Manati park is that last may Maribel Buritica who worked there was murdered and there was a canadian politician (Gordon Wilson) involved in the case. I don't know if there is any connection to Magnotta, probably not, but anyway here goes the link: http://dr1.com/premium/news/2012/dnews052312.shtml
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Does anyone recall if LM had any posts against the Canadian government. I am pretty sure I had come across this very early on, when he was on the run but I didn't copy and save, darn. Did anyone here come across this and did it get saved in the other thread?
exactly! some people have too much free time in their hands, they get a kick out of it because negative attention is better than no attention in their minds. This is one of the reasons that sometimes I think that Luka was one of the biggest trolls ever, he created a lot of bizarre posts, who would go on yahoo questions and ask this:
"Who is hotter Luka Magnotta or Zack Efron?"
"Who is more intelligent Paris Hilton or Luka Magnotta?"
"Did Michael Jackson Pay Luka Magnotta to Shut Up? About their relationship?".
Only someone delusional or a troll would write those, IMO. What do you think?
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I am American and have heard much concern about dangerous offenders. It is not here in US. So, I checked it out. IMO, this is all fine he meets criteria, sadly, with flying colors, and will never be free again.
--The determination of dangerousness is based on evidence (Video tape pretty solid!)
--.....or behavior that is "of such a brutal nature" (Section 753(a) (iii)) that ordinary standards of restraint will not control it. (Hacking and mailing meets criteria)
--if the offence for which the application is being made shows a failure on the person's part to control sexual impulses that is likely to result in harm to another. (Necrophilia observed meets criteria)
-- Sentence usually equals a life sentence [/COLOR]
http://www.johnhoward.ab.ca/pub/C33.htm#dang
I am American and have heard much concern about dangerous offenders. It is not here in US. So, I checked it out. IMO, this is all fine he meets criteria, sadly, with flying colors, and will never be free again.
--The determination of dangerousness is based on evidence (Video tape pretty solid!)
--.....or behavior that is "of such a brutal nature" (Section 753(a) (iii)) that ordinary standards of restraint will not control it. (Hacking and mailing meets criteria)
--if the offence for which the application is being made shows a failure on the person's part to control sexual impulses that is likely to result in harm to another. (Necrophilia observed meets criteria)
-- Sentence usually equals a life sentence [/COLOR]
http://www.johnhoward.ab.ca/pub/C33.htm#dang
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I remember this one
Re: Luka Magnotta, Illuminati, Nazis, Communits, NWO
Interesting observations.
This might not be relevant to your thread, but I have wondered where the money came from to travel so extensively? I can't recall any articles talking about what he did for a living.
*Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16756888
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here is a post under his alias Vladimir Romanov. looks like he was abused as kid, might be a mind control victim.
"Thank god I found this forum, i am about to have a nervous breakdown. On the verge!
My mother had me when she was 16, I am a male. I lived the majority of my childhood with my grandmother. My mother was always stubborn and she married my father and had me without telling her family. When I was 5 she unexpectedly came and took me away from my home with my grandmother. From that moment on my life was hell. My mother would lock my younger brother in a bedroom all day and night long, tied to a chair with no light. This went on for years. We were homeschooled because "the outside world was dangerous and dirty". I was frequently stripped and held down and forced to wear diapers at age seven and tied in a high-chair, I believe to humiliate me.
My father was an alcohalic "yes man" who was bipolar and simply a huge pussy. Both my parents are highly intelligent in different ways. My mother is extremely manipulative,calculating and I believe she thrives on getting attention negative or posative. She never finished grade 9 though and never worked a day in her life. Shes smart, but in a sneaky way and she easily fools people into thinking shes a great mother , appearances can be deceiving. My father on the other hand, he is very well educated but when it comes to socializing, he is not able to do it. He never had any friends and cant communicate properly, he is also a pathalogical lier and would throw anyone, including his children under the bus to save himself.
Both are SICK and I hate both of them with a passion, I often wonder WHY the FUKC was I given these parents and this life…why couldnt I have been born to a loving family that would appreciate me?? They conn people and defraud people and yet fool everyone into believing they are wonderful!! My mother wore surgical masks and latex gloves and wouldnt allow us to have anyfriends because they were "dirty" we couldnt go outside OR even go to school. Finally in grade 6 was my first day at public school.
My parents divorced when I was 13 and my mother got into an even worse relationship..imagine finding the lowest excuse for a human being you possibly could ever look for…well my mother found him. A convict,alcohalic,borderline retarded,criminal Charles Manson lookalike double. She brought him into our lives and my brother,sister and I were subjected to horendous abuse at the hands of this mad man while our ‘mother’ sat by and did absolutely nothing to stop it. The amout of hatred I have for this ***** for ruining my life aswell as my siblings lives I cant begin to tell you. We were cheated out of our LIVES!!!
My sister is now 24, she has three children from three different fathers, she is beautiful and has a degree in psychology but could never get it together because of her past I believe. She is now on welfare and single.
My brother is a complete failure in life and impregnates anyone he comes in contact with, is an alcohalic homeless bum who turned out exactly like his parents but stupider. I am 29 and went through YEARS of struggles, creating surrogate familys whereever I could, moving doezens of times and having psychological health issues from the trauma I endured. I became a male prostitute and was raped on many occasions then i got my life together and made alot of money, bought a condo, nice car ,nice clothing and showed everyone I made it and was NOTHING like my family. I gave BOTH my parents a second chance, I took my mother on lavish vacations, bought her expensive gifts, anything she ever wanted. My father and I have a weird relationsship, he had many nervous breakdowns and he acts like hes retarded but really isnt, he just enjoys pumping himself full of pills so people will feel sorry for him…he is two faced and I had to cut him out of my life. My mother promised she would never betray me again, she said she changed. I was sexually assulted while on vacation last year, I was given a date rape drug, I ended up in a forign citys emergency room and I was placed in the trauma ward against my will because I was groggy and traumatised. After I calmed down the doctors said they would release me but wanted to make sure I would be safe because I was soo upset. Obviously, I was just raped! So they said they would keep me another day for observation, I said no….they agreed to let me go if one of my relatives phoned the hospital and released the hospital from liability. SO I phoned my father and he was too drugged up to even talk so I told him off and hung up. Then I phoned my mother and she said….get ready…… "im not talking to ANY doctors, I understand you were raped and I hope they keep you in the hospital for good" ??????? Where the hell did this attitude come from? After everything I have done for her I thought she would be there for me.. but she screwed me at the one time I was the weakest…this is what she LOVES to do… humiliate people and make them feel inferior to her because she is the devil…she has such a horrible life she needs to drag everyone down with her. So I told her , that if she made me stay in the trauma word alone for another few days I would NEVER speak to her again… she said "i dont care" and I hung up. My boss phoned the hospital and DEMANDED I be released , I was being victimized again because they locked me in a room with no windows and I was alone. So they drew up papers and I was released 2 hours later. I am suing the hospital now. I have not spoken to my mother since and she is trying to turn the rest of my family against me. I really can relate to ALL of you. Some people are so manipulateive its hard to describe them because people will think YOUR the crazy one…..NO NO NO….my MOTHER is the crazy one and she is truly messed up beyond words.
I am now married and my new family agrees with me, NEVER NEVER NEVER speak to ANY of my relatives…I hate them all and they use me only for money. I left the country and am never going back. They have no way of contacting me and I wish them all happiness but they are the kinds of people that will DESTROY you if you associate with them. I hope all of you find happiness. Just because we are related to people, doesnt mean we have to associate with them… WHY?? If they are evil and dont have your best interests at heart…then SCREW THEM!!!!!!! Life is too short to waste on fools, even if they are your own family."
Re: Luka Magnotta, Illuminati, Nazis, Communits, NWO
Interesting observations.
This might not be relevant to your thread, but I have wondered where the money came from to travel so extensively? I can't recall any articles talking about what he did for a living.
*Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16756888
*advertiser censored*. escort.
here is a post under his alias Vladimir Romanov. looks like he was abused as kid, might be a mind control victim.
"Thank god I found this forum, i am about to have a nervous breakdown. On the verge!
My mother had me when she was 16, I am a male. I lived the majority of my childhood with my grandmother. My mother was always stubborn and she married my father and had me without telling her family. When I was 5 she unexpectedly came and took me away from my home with my grandmother. From that moment on my life was hell. My mother would lock my younger brother in a bedroom all day and night long, tied to a chair with no light. This went on for years. We were homeschooled because "the outside world was dangerous and dirty". I was frequently stripped and held down and forced to wear diapers at age seven and tied in a high-chair, I believe to humiliate me.
My father was an alcohalic "yes man" who was bipolar and simply a huge pussy. Both my parents are highly intelligent in different ways. My mother is extremely manipulative,calculating and I believe she thrives on getting attention negative or posative. She never finished grade 9 though and never worked a day in her life. Shes smart, but in a sneaky way and she easily fools people into thinking shes a great mother , appearances can be deceiving. My father on the other hand, he is very well educated but when it comes to socializing, he is not able to do it. He never had any friends and cant communicate properly, he is also a pathalogical lier and would throw anyone, including his children under the bus to save himself.
Both are SICK and I hate both of them with a passion, I often wonder WHY the FUKC was I given these parents and this life…why couldnt I have been born to a loving family that would appreciate me?? They conn people and defraud people and yet fool everyone into believing they are wonderful!! My mother wore surgical masks and latex gloves and wouldnt allow us to have anyfriends because they were "dirty" we couldnt go outside OR even go to school. Finally in grade 6 was my first day at public school.
My parents divorced when I was 13 and my mother got into an even worse relationship..imagine finding the lowest excuse for a human being you possibly could ever look for…well my mother found him. A convict,alcohalic,borderline retarded,criminal Charles Manson lookalike double. She brought him into our lives and my brother,sister and I were subjected to horendous abuse at the hands of this mad man while our ‘mother’ sat by and did absolutely nothing to stop it. The amout of hatred I have for this ***** for ruining my life aswell as my siblings lives I cant begin to tell you. We were cheated out of our LIVES!!!
My sister is now 24, she has three children from three different fathers, she is beautiful and has a degree in psychology but could never get it together because of her past I believe. She is now on welfare and single.
My brother is a complete failure in life and impregnates anyone he comes in contact with, is an alcohalic homeless bum who turned out exactly like his parents but stupider. I am 29 and went through YEARS of struggles, creating surrogate familys whereever I could, moving doezens of times and having psychological health issues from the trauma I endured. I became a male prostitute and was raped on many occasions then i got my life together and made alot of money, bought a condo, nice car ,nice clothing and showed everyone I made it and was NOTHING like my family. I gave BOTH my parents a second chance, I took my mother on lavish vacations, bought her expensive gifts, anything she ever wanted. My father and I have a weird relationsship, he had many nervous breakdowns and he acts like hes retarded but really isnt, he just enjoys pumping himself full of pills so people will feel sorry for him…he is two faced and I had to cut him out of my life. My mother promised she would never betray me again, she said she changed. I was sexually assulted while on vacation last year, I was given a date rape drug, I ended up in a forign citys emergency room and I was placed in the trauma ward against my will because I was groggy and traumatised. After I calmed down the doctors said they would release me but wanted to make sure I would be safe because I was soo upset. Obviously, I was just raped! So they said they would keep me another day for observation, I said no….they agreed to let me go if one of my relatives phoned the hospital and released the hospital from liability. SO I phoned my father and he was too drugged up to even talk so I told him off and hung up. Then I phoned my mother and she said….get ready…… "im not talking to ANY doctors, I understand you were raped and I hope they keep you in the hospital for good" ??????? Where the hell did this attitude come from? After everything I have done for her I thought she would be there for me.. but she screwed me at the one time I was the weakest…this is what she LOVES to do… humiliate people and make them feel inferior to her because she is the devil…she has such a horrible life she needs to drag everyone down with her. So I told her , that if she made me stay in the trauma word alone for another few days I would NEVER speak to her again… she said "i dont care" and I hung up. My boss phoned the hospital and DEMANDED I be released , I was being victimized again because they locked me in a room with no windows and I was alone. So they drew up papers and I was released 2 hours later. I am suing the hospital now. I have not spoken to my mother since and she is trying to turn the rest of my family against me. I really can relate to ALL of you. Some people are so manipulateive its hard to describe them because people will think YOUR the crazy one…..NO NO NO….my MOTHER is the crazy one and she is truly messed up beyond words.
I am now married and my new family agrees with me, NEVER NEVER NEVER speak to ANY of my relatives…I hate them all and they use me only for money. I left the country and am never going back. They have no way of contacting me and I wish them all happiness but they are the kinds of people that will DESTROY you if you associate with them. I hope all of you find happiness. Just because we are related to people, doesnt mean we have to associate with them… WHY?? If they are evil and dont have your best interests at heart…then SCREW THEM!!!!!!! Life is too short to waste on fools, even if they are your own family."
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Re the above, note his reference to his father being bi-polar. This could be true or perhaps he is referring to himself? Is bi-polar a genetic issue? He also mentions his brother being alcoholic which we know can be hereditary. This could all be true or he was laying out a defense of the murder he was going to commit.
IMHO he wants to be seen as a lunatic, for real, I mean why would he ask on the antisocial forum if the person from the killvid was a psychopath, anti-social or demented? why the need to be categorized?
here:
"Firstly , dont worry I am NOT posting graphic details or links to the video, I am just curious as to what would possess somebody to do this type of crime? There is a video of a guy around aged 20 from San Fransisco, he apparently made real snuff films that depict cannabilisim and necrophilia along with the murder. I am doing research on this and I would VERY much appreciate any and all the advice and help you could give me.
Is he a psychopath or Anti Social or what?"
"If somebody murders, dismembers, canabalisim , necrophilia and puts it on film I would assume they were demented in some way?"
http://www.psychforums.com/antisocial-personality/topic89464.html
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Hi!
I view the whole thing through a person suffering with severe narcissist person d/o primary pathology. Now that I just learned "trolling" IMO that is now two dynamics. He definably trolled but in the context of the illness:
i.e the need for attention is paramount to the person with narcissistic personality disorder, and he or she will do anything to obtain that attention-. Bold pronouncements http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/attent.htm#Attention[/url]
Saying I want to kill animals is certainly attn. getting. IMO that is only attention seeking not lying- for the narc it meets a pathological need.
Now that I understand trolling part one Part 2is : -Fantasies of and preoccupied with beauty, brilliance, ideal love, power, or unlimited success. http://www.echo.me.uk/npd1.htm
This kind of stuff:
"Who is hotter Luka Magnate or Zack Ephron?" "Who is more intelligent Paris Hilton or Luka Magnate?" "Did Michael Jackson Pay Luka Magnate to Shut Up? About their relationship? The second part. Is also a component of Narc but meets a different NEED:
IMO, lots of reports are looking at this as being a BS artist. He sure lied (to manipulate) BUT the trolling and needing constant attn., validation to alleviate inner turmoil/uncomfortable feeling states are a product of mental illiness..
They are need fulfillment kinds of behavior.
Which then takes me back to causation? What CAUSES development of Narc Pad?
Present findings are consistent with previous findings1 - 13, 18, and 25, 42 - 45 suggesting that childhood physical abuse, sexual abuse, and neglect play an important role in the onset of some personality disorders.http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/arti...ticleid=205066
THEREFORE! Everything he blogged about being abused is valid and sad. Those blogs were cries for help.
Not sure I did well in stating these notions!
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YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW THRILLED I AM YOU POSTED ALL OF THIS
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This line broke my heart:
Thank god I found this forum, i am about to have a nervous breakdown. On the verge!
I wept ...........
One more thing on this one, my guess is lots of folks are going to believe it is all BS --- IMO, statements like these are not lies, they are not made up, they represent confusion,rage,loss.........Stuff in parentheses, were what I thought as I first read it and felt sad ....
-I hate both of them with a passion.(rage!)
-I often wonder WHY the F--- was I given these parents and this life...why couldnt I have been born to a loving family that would appreciate me?? (I never felt loved)
-while our 'mother' sat by and did absolutely nothing to stop it (parents are suppossed to keep kids safe why didn't my mom do that - keep everyone safe)
-as well as my siblings lives I cant begin to tell you. ( i could not protect my siblings and I feel so sad and guilty about that.)
she is beautiful and has a degree in psychology but could never get it together because of her past I believe. (My parents hurt my sister too)
-creating surrogate familys wherever I could ( I tried to find love in other places but really could not)
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My father and I have a weird relationsship (I really do not understand my relationship with father)
I thought she would be there for me.. but she screwed me at the one time I was the weakest..(again, my mom is not there when i really need her. I can't count on her at all, is there anyone, in my life, I can count on? )
-My mother promised she would never betray me again ( I can't count on her at all, I have noone)
wish them all happiness.(this is a kind loving thought no)?
I was alone
I really can relate to ALL of you ( I relate to all the other hurting people on this site- tring to comfort others)
- My mother wore surgical masks and latex gloves (I am not the only crazy one in this family)
forced to wear diapers (as an adult engage in fetish sex stuff?)
Thank god I found this forum ( I need to talk, SOMEWHERE- where I think someone may, understand me)
IMO, moving stuff................................................
I'm not Baudi but I suspect that video was recorded in 2007 when Luka visited the Manati Park, Punta Cana Dominican Republic. That park is known for animal cruelty, dolphin deaths and you can pay to have your picture taken holding the snake, it looks like the same snake that Magnotta used on the python video, look at the picture from his photobucket, it has a stamp in the picture from the Manati park, so it was most likely taken by the photographer that works there. He definitely knew someone that worked there at the park, photographer, caretaker, veterinarian, etc who would let him take care of the snake. Also some snake owners around the world feed kittens, puppies, rabbits, mice to their snakes, so whoever owns that snake from python video, probably is very used to do that kind of feeding and agreed with Magnotta. That wouldn't surprise me.
We should find out who is that other person holding that snake in the video.
I'm attaching pics of Magnotta and another tourist:
source: http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/1b9f9b/
Something I thought a bit strange about the Manati park is that last may Maribel Buritica who worked there was murdered and there was a canadian politician (Gordon Wilson) involved in the case. I don't know if there is any connection to Magnotta, probably not, but anyway here goes the link: http://dr1.com/premium/news/2012/dnews052312.shtml
Great post! I like your sleuthing!! Maybe u could post these findings in the "Other Crimes?" thread?!!?!
The Casey Anthony trial was a complete failure of the US legal system. The circumstantial evidence against her demonstrated clearly she was responsible for he daughter's death. The jurors in that case had the critical thinking skills of a bowl of tofu! When I've heard their rationales for how they came up with their descision it's clear they had IQ's at least a full standard deviation below normal.
Is there any way to view the meta data for the snake video to see where it was filmed?I'm not Baudi but I suspect that video was recorded in 2007 when Luka visited the Manati Park, Punta Cana Dominican Republic. That park is known for animal cruelty, dolphin deaths and you can pay to have your picture taken holding the snake, it looks like the same snake that Magnotta used on the python video, look at the picture from his photobucket, it has a stamp in the picture from the Manati park, so it was most likely taken by the photographer that works there. He definitely knew someone that worked there at the park, photographer, caretaker, veterinarian, etc who would let him take care of the snake. Also some snake owners around the world feed kittens, puppies, rabbits, mice to their snakes, so whoever owns that snake from python video, probably is very used to do that kind of feeding and agreed with Magnotta. That wouldn't surprise me.
We should find out who is that other person holding that snake in the video.
I'm attaching pics of Magnotta and another tourist:
source: http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/1b9f9b/
Something I thought a bit strange about the Manati park is that last may Maribel Buritica who worked there was murdered and there was a canadian politician (Gordon Wilson) involved in the case. I don't know if there is any connection to Magnotta, probably not, but anyway here goes the link: http://dr1.com/premium/news/2012/dnews052312.shtml
The sister is several years younger than LM, and did not live with the grandmother. A male cousin did (and if I remember correctly, he is in jail).
In a dysfunctional family, abuse doesn't necessarily happen to all siblings.
And just because the sister "seems" to have turned out "normal", doesn't mean she wasn't abused.
Again, without more facts (which we might never find out) it is all speculation.
But of all the lies and fantasies that LM has spun, the one thing I *don't* doubt is abuse.
Keep in mind that there is a genetic component to PDs, as well. I'm guessing that there is an underlying potential that is triggered by the abuse. Abuse spans generations, so I have a theory about "genetic memory" that I'm hoping someday research scientists will confirm.
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