Armchair psych profile and personal background

[x_files]

The sister is several years younger than LM, and did not live with the grandmother. A male cousin did (and if I remember correctly, he is in jail).
In a dysfunctional family, abuse doesn't necessarily happen to all siblings.
And just because the sister "seems" to have turned out "normal", doesn't mean she wasn't abused.

Again, without more facts (which we might never find out) it is all speculation.
But of all the lies and fantasies that LM has spun, the one thing I *don't* doubt is abuse.

I agree. I do suspect someone abused him early on and then older males when he was escorting. I think it's complex he may have been born with psychopathy and then the other personality disorders developed over time.

 

[Mozzmo]

And just because the sister "seems" to have turned out "normal", doesn't mean she wasn't abused.

If the LM posts about his upbringing/family are 100% true...and that's a huge IF...then even his sister did not enter adulthood uneffected. He reports she has 3 children by three different men, and that although she has a psych degree she lives on welfare. This could suggest/support the assertions of abuse and dyfunctional family dynamics. Clearly she very well may have intimacy issues as evidenced by 3 kids/3 fathers...no longterm relationship...and living on welfare would not be considered functioning at a healthy level. Here again the government is helping her to function...just like the government is now helping LM function with the structure of prison and provision of all his needs without having to work.

 

[matou]

He threw a chair at his grade 6 teacher, according to a former classmate. Also, a former classmate states that he was in school for grades 5 and 6. Vladimir posted that he started going to public school in grade 6.

http://www.610cktb.com/news/local/story.aspx?ID=1712936

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

You heard anything about them being involved with the family in past years?

No one would hear anything because in Canadian law, children/minors are protected and their names never made public.

Even if a child murders someone, we don't know their name if they are under the age of 18.

 

[Sunday]

Does anyone else find it odd that German officials were happy to see LM go because the case is "a lot of trouble" and his German lawyer has refused to make a single public comment? I'm inclined to think that there is much more to the entire story than what is evidenced by the video, Luka's childhood, or anything else we might be aware of.

 

[pippirose]

What in internet "speak"(!) does trolling mean and what , online, is its purpose.

I think trolling comes from the fishing term, not the ugly little monsters that live under a bridge.
You troll for fish by trailing a baited line behind your boat.
So on the internet, a troll posts a comment (bait) and waits for the backlash.
They thrive on the drama.

 

[Mozzmo]

I think trolling comes from the fishing term, not the ugly little monsters that live under a bridge.
You troll for fish by trailing a baited line behind your boat.
So on the internet, a troll posts a comment (bait) and waits for the backlash.
They thrive on the drama.

Thanks, for that clarification. As much as we comment about LM's trolling with his comments. He seemingly escalated his baited hooks by using self-created rumors he dated Homolka, killing cats, and his penultimate bait...the Lin Jun video. The giant leap he made from just making inflammatory comments to actually doing vile behaviors is part of want separates him from other trolls.

 

[pippirose]

Re the above, note his reference to his father being bi-polar. This could be true or perhaps he is referring to himself? Is bi-polar a genetic issue? He also mentions his brother being alcoholic which we know can be hereditary. This could all be true or he was laying out a defense of the murder he was going to commit.

Yes, there is definitely a genetic link. Bipolar disorder tends to run in families, as does alcoholism.

http://bipolar.about.com/od/heredity/Heredity_Genetics.htm

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

All this talk about Luka's childhood is starting to give me the heebee-jeebees. I hope his childhood troubles don't get in the way of the fact that he brutally murdered an innocent human being as well as animals.

Yes, his childhood no doubt was horrible. But that's no excuse. No "If the glove don't fit we must acquit" stuff here. LE has him on video tape doing the killing. That's pretty clear evidence. :jail:

:moo:

 

[CARIIS]

Pipp -the one thing I *don't* doubt is abuse.

Me Either and intense horrible abuse - IMO, being burned, starved,forced to do sexual stuff - I mean Chain Saw Massacre kinda stuff!

 

[Sunday]

If the LM posts about his upbringing/family are 100% true...and that's a huge IF...then even his sister did not enter adulthood uneffected. He reports she has 3 children by three different men, and that although she has a psych degree she lives on welfare. This could suggest/support the assertions of abuse and dyfunctional family dynamics. Clearly she very well may have intimacy issues as evidenced by 3 kids/3 fathers...no longterm relationship...and living on welfare would not be considered functioning at a healthy level. Here again the government is helping her to function...just like the government is now helping LM function with the structure of prison and provision of all his needs without having to work.

Agreed. Reaction to abuse or trauma is definitely not uniform in families. Here are two personal examples: 1) My dad and uncle fled Poland during the Uprising of Warsaw along with my grandmother. They witnessed and experienced many horrors (babies murdered by SS soldiers, transported on cattle cars, living in abandoned buildings and churches and dodging grenades, etc). My dad was borderline, abusive, HS dropout, and just friggin nuts, while my uncle finished HS, was accepted at Annapolis Naval Academy, became a mechanical engineer and worked for Nasa, and had a Brady Bunch family; 2) We all suffered abuse at the hands of my father. My older brother (11 years older than me) has been a drug addict since he was a teen. He dropped out of college and has worked on and off as a mechanic. He is a friggin train wreck, and I have not spoken with him since I was a teen. However, I graduated HS, joined the USAF to pay for college, graduated from UC Davis in CA, have a successful career and a healthy, happy, and functional child. Aside from some intimacy issues and the fact that I could care less if I never ever engage in another relationship, I'm pretty healthy and functional. Well, aside from my penchant for true crime.

 

[Mozzmo]

I recently read somewhere that various scanning techniques used in medicine are advancing technologically to a point where they are beginning to further clarify behavioral/personality differences. I don't have the link, but in particular they wrote about a study done on the imaging of psychopaths compared to "normal" persons with the same IQ. The results showed that psychopaths have less activity around the Amydala and surrounding structures. Given these parts of the brain deal with emotions it appears to support the lack of empathy/compassion displayed by psychopaths. Interestingly, the more severely psychopathic the person was, the less activity was observed in those areas. So this certainly does demonstrate a clear anatomical difference. The question that remains is to what extent is this difference inheritable versus environmental.

 

[ToBeHonest]

If it's an enviromental thing, family dynamics, childhood upbringing with abuse, why did his sister didn't become a monster too? Seriously, I ask myself everyday, what went wrong with that guy, who would torture kittens and post on youtube and nobody in his family did an intervention? If I was his sister, I would hand him out to the authorities and health system and if nothing helped would cut ties forever.

I think he must have hurt a lot of people in that family too, we even don't know if he killed his pets or what else he did... but still they should have done something, if they knew Luka was a ticking bomb and a danger to society, if they were aware of the kitten killing videos, they should have warned the police. JMO!!!!

I wanted to respond to this because it sounds like you came from a good family Donyale. Myself, as a poster child for a dysfunctional family, not all of us turn out monsters. I am the oldest of four, my paranoid schizo father wreaked all types of havoc until my very young mother chose to flee from him one day while he was at work.

One of my sisters is histrionic, but she functions (just very egotistical--haha);
my brother is in prison on 21 felony drug charges--I believe he got a bit more of my dad's genetics and as a male may have turned outward as a solution to his mental issues; myself, I have a few things wrong mentally in that I have pretty high anxiety, but I turned inward and mainly dealt with depression and some other things that are undiagnosed as yet. I went to grad school, got my MBA, and work high level in a company making six figures. I am female and I believe the fact that society allows females to express emotions and be more nurturing, etc, allowed me to come out better than my brother in the end. Despite background, we still choose our path. My brother likes to blame others for his situation, and I never did that.

Not all abuse is going to mess everyone up equally or in the same way, even in the same family, we are wired differently and have different coping mechanisms.

As for what you said about dumping LRM in the system and never speaking to him if he didn't improve, having the brother I do, I agree to an extent, he's done things to me that are terrible (broke into my house and stole most of my expensive possessions to pay for his drugs, for example). However, if I knew there WAS a way to help him by my being present, I would in a heartbeat. What I find odd (and maybe it's going on in the background and I just don't see it) is that LRM's family seems absent other than speaking ill of him to the press (calling him a nutjob). If this were my brother, no matter how messed up, I would be there to assist the lawyers and psychiatrists in getting what they needed. That's how I feel family unconditionally loves you. I think part of this lack of support system speaks volumes to things he says happened in his childhood. I could be wrong, though.

 

[CARIIS]

Re the above, note his reference to his father being bi-polar. This could be true or perhaps he is referring to himself? Is bi-polar a genetic issue? He also mentions his brother being alcoholic which we know can be hereditary. This could all be true or he was laying out a defense of the murder he was going to commit.

I am sure numbers will vary based on study but overview (and IMO, mom running around in gloves and homeschooling cause of "germs" is not indicative of a stable indiv. IMO , if we ever find out, mom probably suffered with Psycotic disorder of some kind .Mental ILLNESS is no diff than cancer,blood pressure, diabetes etc!

- With genetics contributing up to 80% to the development of bipolar disorder, this means that 20% or more is due to environmental agents and events

- •In about 80% of cases involving identical twins, if one of the twins is diagnosed with bipolar, the other is, too, which provides pretty clear evidence that the illness is strongly heritable.

-Studies consistently show that genetics makes up about 75-80% of the cause of Bipolar I disorder



-•Multiple genes appear to be involved in creating a vulnerability to bipolar disorder, and they overlap with genes suspected of causing other psychiatric disorders, including unipolar depression and schizophrenia

•If one parent has bipolar disorder a child has about a 12-15% chance of developing the disorder. If both parents are diagnosed the risk climbs to about 25%

-Children of people with bipolar disorder were 4 times more likely to develop some type of mood disorder, not necessarily bipolar disorder.

-most important risks are in immediate, first degree relatives.

http://blogs.psychcentral.com/bipolar/2008/07/bipolar-disorder-heredity-–-the-genetic-link-part-i/

 

[CARIIS]

I agree. I do suspect someone abused him early on and then older males when he was escorting. I think it's complex he may have been born with psychopathy and then the other personality disorders developed over time.

I read it was like gun trafficking and drugs ! dont have link! Its quite a gang- correlates with LM attrocities. Gm has, in some instances, been described as ??????

 

[pippirose]

All this talk about Luka's childhood is starting to give me the heebee-jeebees. I hope his childhood troubles don't get in the way of the fact that he brutally murdered an innocent human being as well as animals.

Yes, his childhood no doubt was horrible. But that's no excuse. No "If the glove don't fit we must acquit" stuff here. LE has him on video tape doing the killing. That's pretty clear evidence. :jail:

:moo:

No matter if his childhood was horrible or not, there is no excuse for what he did. Many, many people have been sexually abused as children, and they don't proceed to murder and mutilate either animals or humans.

What I do hope to happen, with this case and many others, is that people start realizing the damage that can happen to children, when abuse and sexual abuse is involved. People need to put the stigma of mental illness aside, too, and they need to stop ignoring red flags when problems arise.
In LM's case, I'm sure there were tons of red flags, from childhood straight through until now (this person needed some serious help).

 

[CARIIS]

He threw a chair at his grade 6 teacher, according to a former classmate. Also, a former classmate states that he was in school for grades 5 and 6. Vladimir posted that he started going to public school in grade 6.

http://www.610cktb.com/news/local/story.aspx?ID=1712936

Just asking - are you saying that a someone may be off a grade from 15 years ago means LM lied?

 

[Mozzmo]

Okay, I'm going out on a limb here ...and again base this on the assumption that LM's childhood reports are accurate. With persons who come from abused childhoods and highly dysfunctional families, it is not usual for them to be "exiled" from the family if they try to address, vocalize, process or confront their abusive histories. This type of invalidation by the perpetrators along with the coerced silience, or learned helplessness of more passive victims within the family system can be very crazy making for the person seeking validation. It can generate absolute rage in these victims, and result in very negative acting out. This template could very well apply to LM's circumstance. Still it's not a legal defense, but it is a possible conceptualization to part of the backdrop of LM's state of mind.

 

[pippirose]

I recently read somewhere that various scanning techniques used in medicine are advancing technologically to a point where they are beginning to further clarify behavioral/personality differences. I don't have the link, but in particular they wrote about a study done on the imaging of psychopaths compared to "normal" persons with the same IQ. The results showed that psychopaths have less activity around the Amydala and surrounding structures. Given these parts of the brain deal with emotions it appears to support the lack of empathy/compassion displayed by psychopaths. Interestingly, the more severely psychopathic the person was, the less activity was observed in those areas. So this certainly does demonstrate a clear anatomical difference. The question that remains is to what extent is this difference inheritable versus environmental.

I've seen that, too. Even a difference in the brain of a depressed person, a bipolar person. Fascinating stuff.

Even though there is the heredity link, environment also plays a big part.
So who knows if they'll ever find the answer?

 

[ToBeHonest]

I agree. I do suspect someone abused him early on and then older males when he was escorting. I think it's complex he may have been born with psychopathy and then the other personality disorders developed over time.

I agree with you, it's been proven that those who are abused early on tend to mimic and relive and generally end up being attracted to those who will abuse them later on.

Question, do you think he was born with the psychopathy or just a genetic predisposition to it that manifested as a result of abuse (my father was paranoid schizo and I am told he was abused and began to manifest his symptoms after being hit in the head). It's more a thought than anything, nature versus nurture always fascinates me.