NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - # 4

[McSpy]

Of course we are not entitled to this information, nor is it our business, but a clear look at the finances and bank account activity may shed some light and possibly be the answer to it all. Every picture IM posts seems to have big money behind it----cruises, casinos, vacations, huge house, etc... Etc....i agree that he doesn't seem like a guy that could walk, but its not easy to keep up with this lifestyle. Not sure what union electricians make, but even 100k doesn't go far with these kinds of expenses. Maybe the pressure to keep up got to him.....who knows. Let's just hope he's alive somewhere.

Boy, everyone is making too much sense. I have to agree he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to leave his family, but perhaps life was easy back then too. Perhaps now there are pressures. Who knows? Maybe the cost of the trip to Italy was the last straw? Maybe they were bleeding money? Isn't financial stresses the biggest reason for marital problems? Yet, why not just separate? Why disappear without a trace?

Of course, this is all speculation and my imagination.

 

[McSpy]

Just a few random thoughts---

--IM stated about a month of ago she was tired of waiting--it was "time to go public". Did any new info come out?

--There was a post on FB that someone may have spotted RM on a train in Boston. Does anyone know of any follow up? Posters on FB mentioned that she was just a kid, don't jump to conclusions, some even dismissed it. I think ANY tip is crucial, so I'm wondering if anything came of it?

I just read something recently where IM said the kids keep asking her
"How long will it take?" or something similar. I need to find that link to be sure of the wording.

 

[Angel629]

This is a list of actual events. Shootings, stabbings, car accidents, boating accidents etc. Every single phone call if a complaint or reported missing etc is not listed.

Yes, you're right....it's a sampling of events. The point I was trying to make (and failed to :blushing: ) was that SCPD has a mechanism by which they CAN give the public information (without using main stream media). The simple explanation for LE having nothing to say is probably that RM just did not meet the criteria for "vulnerable adult", so his case was handled in a more...discreet way.

 

[Simply Caustic]

Also, I really think the red sports car thing is being played a little too strongly. RM may have loved his car but IMO it was an old car that looks similar to a Grand Am. I wouldn't look at it twice, to be honest. I kind of find the love of the car to be a little odd.

It may have stood out as different from other cars at arrow, but given the age and body style, IMO, it would not be a car that would turn my head. In fact, without seeing the owner driving, I probably would think it is a high school kid driving if I saw it on the road.

^Precisely...PRECISELY...my thoughts on the matter.

I thought maybe I was missin' something - a nearly ten year old Pontiac (albeit sportscar) would be such an eye-catching sight? One that would make everyone stop and stare and notice? Humbly, that is not my opinion, but I respect Robert's love for his car - I'm just saying, I don't think it was the vixen of the streets that it is being played up to be.

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I checked out average resale prices of the GTO - and, without knowing the specifics, it could range from about $4800 to $13500 (at least, that's what The Great Googler tells me.)

I only mention the above as a reference to something I find hinky. I am not knocking his car, nor love of it. I just don't find it a likely scenario that he would be carjacked - nor do I find it likely that he would go out of the way to borrow another car in lieu of parking at the Deer Park station. MOO (Reference regarding not driving his car to the Deer Park station/borrowing one instead as a quote from IM in article)

 

[Tramp123]

What was the order events after work? Scrap yard? Going home? Then leave car at train? Also my husband is a journey electrician and I asked him about the forman taking scrap from the job-he said that the money should go back to the company they are working for. Also their tools are left in a locked area at nite so that they don't have to take their tools with them every nite.

 

[Tramp123]

My husband says a forman makes 5 or 10% more than a journeyman makes.

 

[Force Ten]

If you talk about the scrap yard they telllet LE take care of the scrap yard.
Go back a few weeks and read. scrap yard talk was a NO No!

Also they don't want u to talk theories anyway its a support page right?
Or it was the last time I looked and that was a while ago.

That's not entirely true. There was certain things that couldn't be said perhaps because they are accusatory of the scrap yard, workers and owner. I think IM might be held accountable if she permitted accusations against the biz. <Mod Snip>

 

[Jerry516]

My husband says a forman makes 5 or 10% more than a journeyman makes.

Not to be nosy, but can you give us some ballpark figures of what RM was making?

 

[windstorm]

Okay, so on the FB page, someone asked yesterday (in a very nice way, I might add) if it was possible that RM came home and then went on a bike ride and that's when he went missing. Since IM wasn't home, she wouldn't be aware of that.

A couple of people responded and it brought up some valid points and then some lady (who posts often) said something to the effect of the FB page being a support page and not a sleuthing page.

Anyone else think this is strange? I just think you would want to know every thought and scenario that somebody came up with, even if you've heard it a million times. You never know when somebody is suddenly going to consider something that never crossed your mind before.

The whole thing is just off and weird.

 

[Force Ten]

Of course we are not entitled to this information, nor is it our business, but a clear look at the finances and bank account activity may shed some light and possibly be the answer to it all. Every picture IM posts seems to have big money behind it----cruises, casinos, vacations, huge house, etc... Etc....i agree that he doesn't seem like a guy that could walk, but its not easy to keep up with this lifestyle. Not sure what union electricians make, but even 100k doesn't go far with these kinds of expenses. Maybe the pressure to keep up got to him.....who knows. Let's just hope he's alive somewhere.

IMO, they had the money to do it. At least once a year or 2. People do go on annual vacations. Depending on the income a family has, the more extravagant it may be. We try to do a yearly camping trip, because we enjoy the outdoors and that's what we can afford. If we had the money, hell yeah we'd do a cruise or Italy. I don't think this was a matter of 'Keeping up with Jones's'.

 

[Force Ten]

I see talk about the scrap yard on FB.

IIRC the "let LE take care of the scrap yard" was because of talk about going to the scrap yard/surrounding area, which is private property. Average Joe Citizen can't go searching or snooping around private property. IMO that's why the admins say let LE handle the scrap yard.

Yes, exactly. Why do people assume they know people are purposely hiding stuff and being mischievous? Especially accusatory of the ones with the greatest loss in this.

 

[windstorm]

I've been doing some research on missing persons. Why they go missing? On purpose or by accident? Statistics, etc. I came across a website of actually HOW to go missing on purpose. One of the things the website says to do is to leave your car in an area that you are fairly certain it will be stripped, stolen, etc.

I keep leaning toward RM leaving of his own accord and having it all planned out. I wonder if any computers he has access to have been searched? Maybe his leaving for work at 4:30 am was for breakfast at an internet cafe. Maybe he is more tech savy than he let on.

 

[McSpy]

^Precisely...PRECISELY...my thoughts on the matter.

I thought maybe I was missin' something - a nearly ten year old Pontiac (albeit sportscar) would be such an eye-catching sight? One that would make everyone stop and stare and notice? Humbly, that is not my opinion, but I respect Robert's love for his car - I'm just saying, I don't think it was the vixen of the streets that it is being played up to be.

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I checked out average resale prices of the GTO - and, without knowing the specifics, it could range from about $4800 to $13500 (at least, that's what The Great Googler tells me.)

I only mention the above as a reference to something I find hinky. I am not knocking his car, nor love of it. I just don't find it a likely scenario that he would be carjacked - nor do I find it likely that he would go out of the way to borrow another car in lieu of parking at the Deer Park station. MOO (Reference regarding not driving his car to the Deer Park station/borrowing one instead as a quote from IM in article)

According to one of the articles, IM said he hasn't parked his car in the train lot in 5 or 6 years, because of the potential crime issue. Well, that was something he worried about 5 or 6 years ago. His car was newer and worth more then. Perhaps his feelings changed somewhat on the subject since that time.

I find the borrowing a car issue odd. I don't think too many people would be happy to know that he was going to use their car as a sacrifice, so his car can sit safely in his garage. Maybe someone offered a clunker for him to borrow after he complained about the crime issue. Anything is possible, I suppose . .

Just some thoughts . .

JMO

 

[McSpy]

I've been doing some research on missing persons. Why they go missing? On purpose or by accident? Statistics, etc. I came across a website of actually HOW to go missing on purpose. One of the things the website says to do is to leave your car in an area that you are fairly certain it will be stripped, stolen, etc.

I keep leaning toward RM leaving of his own accord and having it all planned out. I wonder if any computers he has access to have been searched? Maybe his leaving for work at 4:30 am was for breakfast at an internet cafe. Maybe he is more tech savy than he let on.

Interesting. Wonder what kind of movies he enjoyed? Intrigue, spy thrillers come to mind . .

 

[Simply Caustic]

According to one of the articles, IM said he hasn't parked his car in the train lot in 5 or 6 years, because of the potential crime issue. Well, that was something he worried about 5 or 6 years ago. His car was newer and worth more then. Perhaps his feelings changed somewhat on the subject since that time.

I find the borrowing a car issue odd. I don't think too many people would be happy to know that he was going to use their car as a sacrifice, so his car can sit safely in his garage. Maybe someone offered a clunker for him to borrow after he complained about the crime issue. Anything is possible, I suppose . .

Just some thoughts . .

JMO

BBM
That is an excellent point - one that never crossed my mind. :blushing:
I betcha you hit the nail on the head.

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A question for my fellow Sleuthers...

After doing some further reading today, I am curious about ONE THING more than anything else: Why do you think (IYO...in your opinion lol) that RM's disappearance was labeled as 'not criminal' AND "police...don't believe a crime has been committed" and other such labels? What is it about this scenario, this situation..that made them deviate from the standard "Have you seen X? Police are treating X's disappearance as suspicious and the investigation is ongoing."

Therein lies the answer. I just wish we knew what it was.

Citation for above quote: <Police are investigating the disappearance, but they say they don't believe a crime has been committed> http://longisland.news12.com/news/family-pleads-for-info-on-missing-man-robert-mayer-of-dix-hills-1.5499513>

 

[McSpy]

Okay, so on the FB page, someone asked yesterday (in a very nice way, I might add) if it was possible that RM came home and then went on a bike ride and that's when he went missing. Since IM wasn't home, she wouldn't be aware of that.

A couple of people responded and it brought up some valid points and then some lady (who posts often) said something to the effect of the FB page being a support page and not a sleuthing page.

Anyone else think this is strange? I just think you would want to know every thought and scenario that somebody came up with, even if you've heard it a million times. You never know when somebody is suddenly going to consider something that never crossed your mind before.

The whole thing is just off and weird.

I've seen that thing happen before. To me, they are acting "holier than thou." Thinking they are the big protectors and that they MUST intervene. They're rude about it too. Occasionally, I've seen it on ws also. On the most part, I think they cause more problems and drama than the folks who were just asking simple questions or presenting a new theory idea. I doubt IM wants to see fist fights. That is certainly not supportive.

JMO

 

[windstorm]

BBM
That is an excellent point - one that never crossed my mind. :blushing:
I betcha you hit the nail on the head.

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A question for my fellow Sleuthers...

After doing some further reading today, I am curious about ONE THING more than anything else: Why do you think (IYO...in your opinion lol) that RM's disappearance was labeled as 'not criminal' AND "police...don't believe a crime has been committed" and other such labels? What is it about this scenario, this situation..that made them deviate from the standard "Have you seen X? Police are treating X's disappearance as suspicious and the investigation is ongoing."

Therein lies the answer. I just wish we knew what it was.

Citation for above quote: <Police are investigating the disappearance, but they say they don't believe a crime has been committed> http://longisland.news12.com/news/family-pleads-for-info-on-missing-man-robert-mayer-of-dix-hills-1.5499513>

In My Opinion, they have to label it as "not criminal" because there's no evidence of crime. There is no body, no frightening phone calls or threats, no blood or other bodily fluids, no signs of a scuffle, no burglary. Heck, his car that was parked in a place more likely to get stolen or broken into, etc., was sitting there clean as a whistle. Just because it was sitting there and the seat was scooted forward, doesn't in any way point to a crime or foul play.

Unfortunately, out in the real world, and the one LE works in, people leave. Without a word or a note or a single clue as to where they are. It happens whether some people want to believe it or not. And very rarely is the family that was left saying to the media "we hated each other; I knew he/she was going to leave; we fought all the time".

Suicides? There are always close family and friends who have 'no clue' and 'thought they were happy as pigs in mud'.

I've always been told that there are three sides to every story: his side, her side and the truth.

So, no evidence of a crime means possibly just that. There is no crime for there to be evidence of.

Just my opinion of course.

 

[Clemenza]

IMO, they had the money to do it. At least once a year or 2. People do go on annual vacations. Depending on the income a family has, the more extravagant it may be. We try to do a yearly camping trip, because we enjoy the outdoors and that's what we can afford. If we had the money, hell yeah we'd do a cruise or Italy. I don't think this was a matter of 'Keeping up with Jones's'.

<modsnip> Either Rob made 200k a year, they lived off Ida's "hard earned money" orrrrrrrrr......they were under severe financial stress.

 

[cluciano63]

But even without evidence of a crime, reasons listed above ^^^^; the fact that he apparently had no cash, credit cards or bank cards or at least presumably is not using them, is one thing that can point to a possible crime having been committed.

 

[McSpy]

But even without evidence of a crime, reasons listed above ^^^^; the fact that he apparently had no cash, credit cards or bank cards or at least presumably is not using them, is one thing that can point to a possible crime having been committed.

Yes, this could be problematic (no credit card, no bank card), but maybe he is with someone who has a credit card.