Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

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Here's the link regarding Jim Stanbury being taken off the case:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/29709275/top-cop-taken-off-cold-case/

My initial thoughts:

You wouldn't remove the head of the taskforce if a breakthrough was imminent. Meaning, nothing is happening. Lot's of investigation and follow up. No real belief results are on the near horizon.

So what reason is there NOT to have a coronial inquest? I had the impression police were arguing they were close to a break through so a coronial inquest shouldn't be held?


Bring on the coronial inquest please.
 
Sutton said:
The post about the CSK was made on April 5 or 6, 2013. Mel's link should direct you to the correct post.

The comment is one of the last comments made under the post. It shows up as July 2 or 3 (as of right now it is the third to last comment).
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I've looked but can't find it. Can someone be more specific please. I've searched Dixie's name as well as the dates and can't find the comment. Can someone poster the user's name perhaps?
 
Sutton said:
Does anyone remember hearing any details from/about the bouncer? Not suggesting he's guilty or anything. Was his name Thor? Did he have long blonde hair or hair permed into an afro?

I just read a long, convoluted story and was curious.

http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=11084&p=surnames.wilson
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I don't recall a bouncer with a blonde perm called Thor. The only bouncer I recall is the head bouncer who from memory had an Asian background.

Anyone else who used to go to Club have any recollection of a mullet-laden demi-God called Thor?
 
Sutton said:
Frustrating!! The photofit is likely in The Mirror archives and the West Australian archives. The Mirror is £9.95 for 48 hours. I might sign up for that in the near future. The West is still on microfilm for 2002, so the only access is at the state library.

Still, it should be online somewhere...

The article from our posts says the attacker had a ponytail. Does that apply to any of our known POIs? Also,
this article says the girl was walking on Palmerston St. Is this considered a safe area?
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/man-attacks-irish-female-backpacker-in-australia-1.420218
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Also missing from Palmerston St is Lisa Brown:

http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/missing-persons/profiles/profiles/b/r/brown lisa jane - wa

It's an area where street hookers abound, and the same area Con Bayens was running his taskforce on street prostitution and came across the guy with the plastic lined boot and abduction kit.

I think Donald Morey had a P-banger and my favourite for plastic lined boot man.
 
Parkie said:
Ok, some may say that slight DNA that might link to someone who tried on a dress in Claremont before the final buyer bought the dress... Was the CSK a party goer?, Did he have a ponytail?
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I have never heard this before. Do you have some type of source?

One of the biggest problems with this case from an armchair detective views is misinformation. Posters who plant theories as fact which then get picked up by other posters at a later date and before we know it, there's untruths added to the mix.

I personally, as well as some other poster have spent time verifying everything as fact (JR went to HSHS), fiction (there is no evidence the girls were drugged), not yet known (SS worked at BSD), or theory (The CSK had a taxi).

Please make an effort to specify where you got your information from.
 
Bartholemeus said:
I've looked but can't find it. Can someone be more specific please. I've searched MD's name as well as the dates and can't find the comment. Can someone poster the user's name perhaps?
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Oops. I posted July 2 or 3. It's actually June 2 or 3 (depending on your time zone, I think). His initials are CS. Still third to last comment.

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Bartholemeus said:
Also missing from Palmerston St is Lisa Brown:

http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/missing-persons/profiles/profiles/b/r/brown lisa jane - wa

It's an area where street hookers abound, and the same area Con Bayens was running his taskforce on street prostitution and came across the guy with the plastic lined boot and abduction kit.

I think Donald Morey had a P-banger and my favourite for plastic lined boot man.
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BBM. Good observation.

Summary of assaults/disappearances possibly committed by Donald Morey (thus unrelated to the CSK):

Nov. 1998 - Lisa Brown, missing (sex worker, last seen on Palmerston St.)
Nov. 2000 - Sarah McMahon, missing
(last seen in Claremont, knew Morey)
Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)
Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)
Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)
 
Sutton said:
Oops. I posted July 2 or 3. It's actually June 2 or 3 (depending on your time zone, I think). His initials are CS. Still third to last comment.

Here's Mel1303's link again:
https://m.facebook.com/PerthThievesCaughtOnCamera/posts/151295611706618
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A guy says he is sure MD aka ST was working as a chef at The Cott at the time of SS disappearance.

I strongly believe he is mistaken. MD was ruled out and it wouldn't have been through DNA. I've read that police believe he wasn't in Perth for SS and can only assume that is the basis for him being ruled out. MD's penchant for disorganised attacks is also the complete opposite of the CSK's MO.
 
Bartholemeus said:
I have never heard this before. Do you have some type of source?

One of the biggest problems with this case from an armchair detective views is misinformation. Posters who plant theories as fact which then get picked up by other posters at a later date and before we know it, there's untruths added to the mix.

I personally, as well as some other poster have spent time verifying everything as fact (JR went to HSHS), fiction (there is no evidence the girls were drugged), not yet known (SS worked at BSD), or theory (The CSK had a taxi).

Please make an effort to specify where you got your information from.
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Look the Dress being tried on by another lady is nothing. All I was alluding to is a lady might have tried one on before say a victim bought it. It was nothing & hinting at nothing.Ie; DNA at site could be of anyone.

So Richard Dorrough as per the front page of the West Australian, admitted to murdering Sarah Davey in Broome. Also admitted to murdering Rachael Campbell, a street worker in Syd. Richard was a navy guy, and was on shore leave in Broome when Ms Davy disappeared. Lived all over the country & also New Zealand. He was questioned re Rachaels death & said he was just a paying guy like any other. He was let off.
 
Bartholemeus said:
I don't recall a bouncer with a blonde perm called Thor. The only bouncer I recall is the head bouncer who from memory had an Asian background.

Anyone else who used to go to Club have any recollection of a mullet-laden demi-God called Thor?
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I don't recall a Thor. I do recall the bouncer you described (CL).
 
A while back, enzeder sent me a link to this article. It's old, so most of you have probably read it, but it has some interesting details.
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/f...ss-as-serial-killer-still-roams-free-1.149685

This article is on the same website and is from 1997:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irishwoman-s-death-linked-to-australian-serial-killer-1.58756

I haven't seen either of these articles "discussed" anywhere, but they probably were at some point. Maybe I will go through the BF thread to find obscure articles...
 
From the first article:

A member of the Macro Taskforce said last week that the suspect, a 42-year-old civil servant, was driving home from work to his parents' house as we spoke. "He is a quiet, introverted, insignificant member of the community and the person we strongly believe is the Claremont serial killer," he said. The vital evidence they need for a conviction is proving elusive, however.


My understanding is that the case against LW was extremely compelling but they just didn't have the smoking gun. Jim Stanbury seems to have been busy behind the scenes for the last 7 years chasing down every alternative theory and come up with nothing.

The fact that the murders stopped after LW was identified by police just adds to the compelling case against him.

I think people have blinkers on if they don't don't think LW is a very strong suspect.
 
So was Stanbury looking out for Caporn or was he just toeing the company line as to not burn bridges? I'm ruling out incompetence.

Standard police culture - look after each other at all costs and never admit to any mistakes. Ever.
 
Sutton said:
A while back, enzeder sent me a link to this article. It's old, so most of you have probably read it, but it has some interesting details.
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/f...ss-as-serial-killer-still-roams-free-1.149685

I haven't seen either of these articles "discussed" anywhere, but they probably were at some point. Maybe I will go through the BF thread to find obscure articles...
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Sutton - there is a paragraph in one of the articles you quoted:

Denis Glennon sits in the boardroom of Western Australian Environmental Protection Authority (EPA) where he has just finished a board meeting. As managing director of Environmental Solutions International, a waste processing and disposal company, he was recently appointed to the board of the EPA.

Is that the same board that the creeper from Noel Coward's wake video sat on? The one that tasked Noel with doing his job basically (ie reducing pollution in Cockburn Sound)?
 
Sutton said:
A while back, enzeder sent me a link to this article. It's old, so most of you have probably read it, but it has some interesting details.
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/f...ss-as-serial-killer-still-roams-free-1.149685

This article is on the same website and is from 1997:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irishwoman-s-death-linked-to-australian-serial-killer-1.58756

I haven't seen either of these articles "discussed" anywhere, but they probably were at some point. Maybe I will go through the BF thread to find obscure articles...
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Thanks Sutton - Also, this has probably been posted before but I hadn't read it until recently. The guy with the plastic lined boot is up there on my list of suspects despite what they said in their response to 'Sunday Night'. Judoman is my #1 suspect though.

Sunday Night received this response from WA Police regarding Con Bayen's evidence, which he claims was disregarded by the Macro Taskforce:

May 31, 2015: https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-ni...with-wa-police-about-claremont-investigation/
 
OK.. I have a couple of holes in the story of LW the expert stalker.

SS left Club Bay View, walked to telephone booth. Most likely down St Quentin Ave
Men in car at lights saw a car come from under the underpass on Stirling Road, which means that car was either on Shenton Road or Claremont crescent previously.
So LW nowhere near SS and unable to stalk her.

JR left Claremont Hotel, walked to Club Bay View, then back to Claremont hotel and waited outside. St Quentin Ave is one way street (so how would LW have stalked her once she had decide to go back to Claremont hotel?). He would be down the end of the Quentin Ave (unable to turn around) and have no idea they'd even returned to Claremont hotel and separated as a group.

CG walking down Stirling Hwy. Stalking along Stirling Hwy would surely be noticed? Would have taken her max 5mins, and if stalking, depending on the way she took, you'd probably have to drive over a median strip to make it onto the other side of the road?

If him, it seems like there was hardly any 'stalking' involved. I think latest blitz attack article is more likely than 'stalking'.

If he was caught in a sting trawling slowly after girls, why did he change his MO from the first three victims where it seems much more likely that the CSK happened upon them, rather than following them for an extensive period of time.
 
enzeder said:
Thanks Sutton - Also, this has probably been posted before but I hadn't read it until recently. The guy with the plastic lined boot is up there on my list of suspects despite what they said in their response to 'Sunday Night'. Judoman is my #1 suspect though.

Sunday Night received this response from WA Police regarding Con Bayen's evidence, which he claims was disregarded by the Macro Taskforce:

May 31, 2015: https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-ni...with-wa-police-about-claremont-investigation/
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Police: We got the information and investigated it.

Bayens: I deny that Police ever told me the findings

Barts: Police never claimed they provided CB with a follow up. They simply said they investigated it.


Hard to know who to believe but suffice to say, CB would have seen a lot of incompetence, agenda following and corruption during his time so it's no surprise that he believes they never followed it up.
 
billywhizz said:
OK.. I have a couple of holes in the story of LW the expert stalker.

SS left Club Bay View, walked to telephone booth. Most likely down St Quentin Ave
Men in car at lights saw a car come from under the underpass on Stirling Road, which means that car was either on Shenton Road or Claremont crescent previously.
So LW nowhere near SS and unable to stalk her.

JR left Claremont Hotel, walked to Club Bay View, then back to Claremont hotel and waited outside. St Quentin Ave is one way street (so how would LW have stalked her once she had decide to go back to Claremont hotel?). He would be down the end of the Quentin Ave (unable to turn around) and have no idea they'd even returned to Claremont hotel and separated as a group.

CG walking down Stirling Hwy. Stalking along Stirling Hwy would surely be noticed? Would have taken her max 5mins, and if stalking, depending on the way she took, you'd probably have to drive over a median strip to make it onto the other side of the road?

If him, it seems like there was hardly any 'stalking' involved. I think latest blitz attack article is more likely than 'stalking'.

If he was caught in a sting trawling slowly after girls, why did he change his MO from the first three victims where it seems much more likely that the CSK happened upon them, rather than following them for an extensive period of time.
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Who said he had to stalk them? He was an expert stalker (I could say allegedly but it's highly likely it's true) but it's hardly a stretch for him to stalk when he's not killing and lie in wait or do laps until he came across an isolated target.

With SS the CSK most likely did one of two things, a) wait in his car on Stirling Rd for a girl to appear at the phone box, or b) do laps of the Claremont perimeter look for opportunities. Keep in mind if he sat in his car facing south then the phone box is on the other side of the road so the lap theory is more plausible.

It's not a stretch for LW to stalk women 2 nights per week by watching and following but when it comes to the murders he refined his strategy because he was doing something different.

I don't see this any more a flaw as the numerous flaws in each POI's situation.

To me the biggest flaw in LW theory is the living witness theory. For him to be the CSK he must have approached each victim by car (blitz attack possible) and convinced them to get in the car. To my knowledge there is not one woman who came forward and said "one night I was waiting for a cab and LW approached me and offered me a lift but I declined". That means LW had to have a 100% success ratio.

That is, without a doubt, the biggest flaw in the case against LW.
 
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