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    Quote Originally Posted by i.b.nora View Post
    Peru judge sees 6-month Van der Sloot trial
    (AP) June 25

    "LIMA, Peru — The chief of the Superior Court for Peru's capital says the murder trial of Joran van der Sloot should take about six months. An independent expert says it actually might take 18."

    and

    "Judge Cesar Vega told reporters on Friday that Peruvian laws allow up to six months for murder trial. But legal expert Mario Amoretti tells the Associated Press that in practice, cases like Van der Sloots can last 18 months.

    Criminal court attorney Jose Balcazar says the defense is likely to try to draw the trial out."

    Typical MO for a trial that is high-profile. Delay, delay, delay..........hope that the public will loose interest.

    Attack the law, attack the evidence, attack the witness.............standard MO defense tactic as well.

    Guess Joran isn't going anywhere, any time soon.

    JMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrington View Post
    http://www.etonline.com/documents/pd...enecropsia.pdf


    ET Online (Death Certificate)
    Can someone translate?

    "Cause of Death:
    corpse in advanced rotting state traumatism encephalic and cervical skull"

    Translated through Babel Fish


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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty G View Post
    Cuya causa de Muerte es
    Cadaver en avanzado estado de putrefaccion
    Traumatismo craneo Encefalico Y cervical

    The cause of death
    Cadaver in advanced state of decay
    Cervical and head trauma


    Oops, sorry. I didn't know that you've translated that already, Patty.
    Yours is much more accurate.


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    Forgive me for asking, but is there an actual autopsy report that talks about the broken neck? All I can recall seeing is some toxicology. TIA


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrington View Post
    I thought the time of death must be on the death certificate, guess not huh. IMO

    From what I've learned before, the time of death cannot be determined if the body is in advanced rotting stage.

    http://www.arrakis.es/~jacoello/date.pdf

    Above link is the "Standards Employed to Determine Time of Death"

    Rigor mortis- the determination by muscular rigidity disappears after between 12 to 36 hours after death.

    Livor mortis- the settling of blood to dependent parts of the body, after 12 hours, it's usually completely settled.

    Algor mortis- the cooling of the body, since the body was badly decomposed, time of death determination via that also can't be determined.

    Food in the Stomach completely disappears after 4 to 6 hours of heavy a meal.

    A lot more information on the above link.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mck16 View Post
    I personally think that is crucial. It was certainly make it possible to report with better information. I don't understand how so many different stories are out there about the whole thing.

    NG was reporting last night that he killed her after he came back from getting coffee. Why don't they look at the time stamps on the videos? Drives me nuts. I want to see something new. Websleuths needs a t.v. show, no a whole channel. jmo


    NG and reporting used in the same sentence=oxymoron imo
    IF I PUT IT HERE ITS MY OPINION. apparently i have no idea when i need to say that in a post, so this should cover it....IN MY OPINION anyways,

    welcome to the gates of hell JVDS.




    Jose Baez: “I sincerely believe that when we have finally spoken, everyone, and I mean everyone, will sit back and say, ‘Now, I understand. That explains it.’”



    Jose Baez to da judge :

    ".....that type of testing is unique. we requested that they be allowed to test items and that of course was objected to by the state and and uh the state uh granted or sustained their objection, denied our opportunity to have him test these items due to a very specialized field, subfield, of dna that he is one of the pioneers of uh in the alternative of we were granted the ability to test certain items by an outside lab...."


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    BREAKING NEWS
    PER: Jean Casarez HLN

    Superior Court decision
    RE: Habeas Corpus
    No violation of Rights of Joran van der Sloot
    When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. ~ Maya Angelou



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    Breaking News
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    Court: NO VIOLATION OF VDS'S RIGHTS


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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerBalm View Post
    BREAKING NEWS
    PER: Jean Casarez HLN

    Superior Court decision
    RE: Habeas Corpus
    No violation of Rights of Joran van der Sloot
    Although that is what most suspected, it's still music to my ears.

    So sorry Joran, looks as if you're in it for the long haul.


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    The 'autopsy' was discussed in some depth on June 7, on the Nancy Grace Show.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../07/ng.01.html

    Police Report Details Stephany Flores`s Injuries
    Aired June 7, 2010 - 20:00:00 ET

    This diagram was prepared by CNN to help with their presentation. It is not an official chart nor actual autopsy diagram.

    A lot of what was discussed on the program that day, clarifies some of the earlier reporting, and turns out to be accurate, especially after we see the crimescene photos and more recent reporting.
    Many assumed from this transcript and other reports that he had taken his white or beige shirt that we had seen him in at the casino, with him to Chile, and that is where it was found with blood on it.
    In fact, this report was accurate, it just didn't detail that the shirt found with him in his baggage at Chile was the striped shirt.
    There is no 'time of death' discussed in this report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrington View Post
    I thought the time of death must be on the death certificate, guess not huh. IMO
    Have not read the whole thread, but needed to say something here. TOD is only accurate on television.

    A body found days, months, weeks after, there is no accurate time of death. Only a guess via the other circumstances around, and a few things. Never, never accurate. (Just knowledge from dealing with murder cases over the years.) No links, don't have time, but anyone can research what the accuracy of a time of death is.

    Sorry, science is great, but this is one of the many leaps that is just not available. Hence The existence of the Body Farm.

    ETA: Keep in mind, we are only getting snippets of information from Peru. The Medical Examiner there would have to come up with a "guesstimate" TOD, we just have not seen it. Translations, leaks, media slowly letting bit by bit out to keep the story selling. You get the idea.

    Still it would be a guesstimate. And the evidence, including video footage. (trying not to remind you that Stephany was decomposing, and had been for a few days.)
    Last edited by 21merc7; 06-25-2010 at 06:45 PM.

    Unless I have included a link, it is my opinion and only my opinion that I am expressing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrington View Post
    I thought the time of death must be on the death certificate, guess not huh. IMO
    this is peru
    IF I PUT IT HERE ITS MY OPINION. apparently i have no idea when i need to say that in a post, so this should cover it....IN MY OPINION anyways,

    welcome to the gates of hell JVDS.




    Jose Baez: “I sincerely believe that when we have finally spoken, everyone, and I mean everyone, will sit back and say, ‘Now, I understand. That explains it.’”



    Jose Baez to da judge :

    ".....that type of testing is unique. we requested that they be allowed to test items and that of course was objected to by the state and and uh the state uh granted or sustained their objection, denied our opportunity to have him test these items due to a very specialized field, subfield, of dna that he is one of the pioneers of uh in the alternative of we were granted the ability to test certain items by an outside lab...."


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    Quote Originally Posted by TallCoolOne View Post
    Although that is what most suspected, it's still music to my ears.

    So sorry Joran, looks as if you're in it for the long haul.
    Sounds pretty good to me too!!!

    Now, if trial takes @ 6 mos. - 18 mos., does he get to stay in his "cushy" cell that he's in now???


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    Let us all keep in mind, what is NOT being said.

    Some is respect for family, some is to avoid media tainting, some is not ready to be heard by an angry nation, some is to have a tightly sealed case, some is more reasons and more reasons.

    Unless I have included a link, it is my opinion and only my opinion that I am expressing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerBalm View Post
    BREAKING NEWS
    PER: Jean Casarez HLN

    Superior Court decision
    RE: Habeas Corpus
    No violation of Rights of Joran van der Sloot
    Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!


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