10-06-2010, 08:20 PM #1
What's in this cellar room photo?
We're having a discussion at FFJ about this cellar photo I happened upon yesterday. It appears that there might be a doll in the photo, but it's hard to say. It could just be a lump of Christmas decorations or something else.
The photo is from one of the documentaries done about this case. This group of photos came from a screen capture by ACR or Why Nut--can't remember which as they both did some.
So we have a blurred, distant photo among others, which makes it worse when enlarged. But I've played around with it to give a better idea of what I'm looking at.
By the way, the photo in the upper right corner is of JonBenet still in the home, before her body was taken away, so it's not a doll.
Here's the FFJ thread: http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...?t=9958&page=5
Here are the images:
10-06-2010, 08:29 PM #2
More on photo
Cherokee at FFJ made this to clarify what part of the photo is in question:
And I made these for a better idea of what I'm looking at:
I wonder if the rectagular shape could be a box with tissue paper causing the "ripples" in the image?
I have no idea what this actually is, but with Tricia's recent disclosure of what her source told her about one or more dolls being in that room with JonBenet, I was surprised when this popped out at me. I hope someone who does know will clarify.
In the meantime, any ideas?
10-06-2010, 09:07 PM #3
Great catch! To me the object that you have outlined looks like a Barbie type doll laying on something. Looks to me like the head and an arm is showing in a pinkish colored outfit.This is strictly my opinion!
10-06-2010, 10:20 PM #4
10-06-2010, 10:23 PM #5Bufo americanus
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ty for posting the photos.
I wonder, kk, where are all the dolls, can't see many in the photos of JBR bedroom.
What did Jonbenet get for Xhristmas in 1996?
Shiny new pink bike.
What was the main gift that Jonbenet received on her sixth birthday?
An American Girl Samntha doll
Dolls Question 85
What was the name of
onbenets display at a 4h fair in 1995?
What year did jonbenet receive her sister-sock stuffed cat?
"The day before, one of Patsy Ramsey's sisters had gone into the house with police permission and taken out an oil printing, several American Girl dolls, a portfilio of JonBenet's pageant photographs, a pageant medal with a blue ribbon, graduation photos of the older children, and a Bible from John Ramsey's desk, but she had missed JonBenet's stuffed cat, which Patsy had wanted retrieved."
Most of the items Patsy wanted were in a curio cabinet of keepsakes
in our bedroom. Treasures from over the years filled the cabinet:
Our children's first shoes, a christening gown Patsy had made for
both of the children, baby teeth, JonBenet's baby locks,
Patsy's baby shoes, and my baby rattle.
DOI (HB) Page 11:
Patsy particularly wanted Pam to get the
My Twinn doll from under the Christmas tree and the pictures of
the kids she kept on the sink in her bathroom."
"They carried along Sister Socks, a gray-and-white stuffed animal that had been
left behind during Pam Paugh's sweep through the house. Sister Socks was retrieved
for them by Detective Arndt."
ST (HB) Page 52:
Everett kept only a general inventory of what was removed, and even that abbreviated listing was astonishing. Stuffed animals, tiaras, three dresses for JonBenet, pageant photo portfolios, toys and clothes for Burke, John Ramsey's Daytime, the desk Bible, and clothing. For Patsy, there were black pants, dress suits, boots, and the contents of the curio cabinet. Bills, credit cards, a black cashmere trench coat, jewelry that included her grandmother's ring and an emerald necklace, bathrobes, a cell phone, personal papers, bank records, Christmas stockings, her Nordstrom's credit card, and even their passports. The patrol car was loaded with zipped bags, boxes, sacks, and luggage, the true contents unknown."
Where are all the dolls? JBRs 'collection', ..... in the crime scene photos.
There's the larger baby doll and mysterious bear on the second bed,
the two ethnic dolls and the white witch doll in the photo entitled. 'another shot of the suitcase by the window'.
10-06-2010, 10:50 PM #6
A 'Holiday Barbie'?
I see a small fleshy/pink doll in a "big" poofy faux velvet holiday-ish type dress and Barbie came to mind.Pics at link show what I mean(they come in metallic boxes & the 'box' I think I see could fit with that)
I suppose Barbie may have been a bit down market for Patsy's tastes but maybe it purchased by someone else?The saints are the sinners who keep trying...
10-06-2010, 11:08 PM #7Bufo americanus
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kk, Cherokees inhanced photo, it does look like it could be a doll.
reading at ffj. it sure could be the item missing , redacted? off the evidence list.
Listening to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage TG on LHP show re BR reinterview and looking forward to mention of the dolls and perhaps Cks discovery.
ty kk: Crime Scene Inventory: http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-inventory.htm
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10-06-2010, 11:58 PM #8Bufo americanus
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10-07-2010, 12:18 AM #9Done. Put a Fork in Me.
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It looks like a doll to me, but not a Barbie doll.
10-07-2010, 01:05 AM #10
Thanks so much for your ideas and links. I'll look at them more closely tomorrow. Great info. You've got me to thinking: like where did those dolls live before that night in the house? Why aren't more in photos? Have we ever seen a photo of the My Twinn doll? I can't remember seeing hers specifically. And where did they all go? Into boxes for the Ramseys, I guess.
Those Barbie dolls are about the right size, if that is a doll. Good find.
Someone needs to drag Pinker over here from Topix. She's the doll expert in this case, and she's spent years steadfastly pointing to the importance of the dolls. I think she's got some fascinating ideas and info, but like most theories, proving it is...so far a goal not achieved, for all of us with any theory.
But I'd bet money she knows every doll in every crime scene photo ever aired or posted.
10-07-2010, 02:04 AM #11Registered User
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A face-down doll of some kind laying on a blanket? I dunno thats my best guess. Weird.
10-07-2010, 06:51 AM #12
Cherokee's Photo of the Pineapple
KK, in the photo of the pineapple above there is something that just jumped out at me and I'm sure if it's already been discussed, you are the person who would know.
The bowl seems to have quite a bit of pineapple still in it after JonBenet had eaten enough to show up at autopsy. I'm thinking if Patsy had fixed this late night snack for her, would she really have put that much pineapple in the bowl? As a mother, I never would have fed my daughter that much fruit at bedtime. To me, it looks like either Burke or JonBenet filled the bowl.
Maybe in all the frenzy that night, the Ramsey's really did not know that the kids had fixed themselves a snack after they were supposedly in bed and that's why they didn't have an explanation for it or whatever happened that night started right here in the kitchen and Patsy simply didn't realize how important this evidence would end up being. Sorry to go off topic, I just needed to ask these questions while they were fresh in my mind."This Time We Get it Right!"
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary.
For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." Stuart Chase
10-07-2010, 09:18 AM #13
I remember years ago there being some fascinating stuff out there.....
You do have me wondering now where were JBR's dolls?Not in her room it seems.
Do we know if Patsy had a "doll room" for JBR? I know thats common for doll collectors.
I get the feeling JBR's dolls were a 'look but don't touch' type of collection & it appears there was a good amount...where wwere they kept??
It has always bothered me the importance of PP getting some of the dolls(or all...who knows)out of the house ASAP.
And where is/was the My Twinn?
Wasn't it said that Patsy kept it in a chair in GA or was that a different doll?
So many years & so many theories/insights & info......I'm trying to keep it all straight.
O/T but I am praying so hard that maybe,just maybe there will finally be the break we have all waited for!We have all wondered for years if/when will Burke talk.....I hope he is!The saints are the sinners who keep trying...
10-07-2010, 12:58 PM #14Registered User
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Looks like one of those collectible dolls with a china face and Victoria dress to me. Anyone know which documentary this photo came from? Perhaps the documentary is online somewhere.
Unless I have included a link, it is my opinion and only my opinion that I am expressing.
10-07-2010, 01:04 PM #15
could it be a fairy for the top of a christmas tree and the white thing be the wings ?
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