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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #32




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    Who's Who in the Lauren Spierer Case, Updated 06-30-11 (by the Herald Times Online)

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    Bloomington Police search for missing 20 year old woman
    Lauren Spierer, age 20.
    She is a white female, 4 feet 11 inches tall, slender build, has blue eyes and long blonde hair. She is listed as a student according to IU Bloomington's website.
    Spierer was last seen walking south on College Avenue from 11th Street on her way back to her apartment in Smallwood Plaza, located on College Avenue.
    She did not arrive to her apartment and video footage does not show her entering the apartment complex.
    Spierer was wearing a white tank top with a loose, light colored button shirt over it and full length black stretch pants. She was not wearing shoes.

    http://www.lohud.com/article/20110615/NEWS02/106150373

    Re: the photo released Wednesday, 06-15-2011, of Lauren leaving Smallwood Apartments the evening of June 2, 2011.

    http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=81929



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    Thinking of Lauren and her loved ones today.

    Lauren - YouTube
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    Thinking of the Spierer family with love on Lauren's 23rd birthday.

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    From AbbeyR via Nursebeeme, I think this a great idea! Can we start with the first "thing" and work our way down the list? Maybe someone new, or even one of us, may see something we didn't see before.

    Things to do in Cases When There's No News:

    - Go back through threads and collect what you think are the top ten most important links in the case, make a list of them, and post them. These lists would be great for both those familiar with the case, as well as people new to the case.

    1. IMHO: http://findlauren.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadence View Post
    From AbbeyR via Nursebeeme, I think this a great idea! Can we start with the first "thing" and work our way down the list? Maybe someone new, or even one of us, may see something we didn't see before.

    Things to do in Cases When There's No News:

    - Go back through threads and collect what you think are the top ten most important links in the case, make a list of them, and post them. These lists would be great for both those familiar with the case, as well as people new to the case.

    1. IMHO: http://findlauren.com/
    2. The LoHud Feature (includes timeline and video with interviews with Private investigators): http://www.lohud.com/flash/spierer/
    3. LoHud: Lauren Spierer Mystery (the most quoted article here, I think): http://www.lohud.com/article/2012060...nclick_check=1

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    4. The lawsuit doc (Spierer vs. Corey Rossman, Jason Rosenbaum, Michael Beth): http://indianalawblog.com/documents/...-complaint.pdf

    (I'm not sure if the responses are still posted online somewhere?)

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    "Men deny responsibility in Lauren Spierer disappearance"

    Article in the Indianapolis Star:

    http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2...ance-/4726265/

    JR and CR are blaming LS and Kilroy's for whatever happened.

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    I'll try to give some of the few items of note from the Rosenbaum and Rossman responses to the Spierer's complaint linked in post #943 above. It will be much easier to list the admissions, as everything else consists of either a denial or a lack of sufficient information, though some of those may be of interest as well.

    Nature of Actions
    Rosenbaum admits jurisdiction is proper (paragraph 2), venue is proper (3), Rob and Charlene Spierer are a resident of NY (4,5) but lacks knowledge to the remainder of paragraph 4&5. Rossman denies 2 and 3, and lacks knowledge for all of 4 and 5.

    The Parties
    Both Rosenbaum and Rossman admit the allegations in paragraphs 7,8, and 9 (defendants' respective state of residence).

    Allegations
    Rossman denies or lacks knowledge to all of the paragraphs here. For events up to paragraph 20, he denies the allegations, but starting at 21 (after leaving Kilroys) he is without sufficient information to admit or deny. Interestingly he does deny paragraph 24 (which is "Rossman engaged in a physical confrontation with one of these individuals"). Probably a wording dispute there since we've been told this event is on video.

    Rosenbaum also denies or lacks knowledge to most of the allegations with a few exceptions: (11) admits Lauren visited his residence June 2, 2011 (but lacks knowledge to the remainder of #11). (34) admits Spierer left his residence on her own and was last seen walking in the direction of 11th Street and College Ave at approximately 4:30am (but denies the remainder of #34). (37) admits that to his knowledge and belief that Spierer has never been located (denies the remainder of #37). (33) admits that Beth left his residence (but denies the remainder of #33). [I find this one interesting as #33 is simply "Beth left and returned to his residence after these efforts"; odd that he agrees Beth left, but denies, rather than admitting to not knowing, that Beth returned to his residence. Is that insinuating Beth went elsewhere or maybe just a continuance of denying the efforts he had previously denied in #32]

    Count One - Negligence resulting in Disappearance, Death, or Injury
    Dismissed by the court on 12/23/13

    Count Two - Negligence per se
    Both parties deny all paragraphs except Rossman admits to to #48 (that IC 7.1-5-10-15.5 imposed a specific duty)

    Count Three - Dram Shop
    Both parties deny all

    Affirmative Defenses
    Rosenbaum alleges claimed injuries and damages were caused in whole or part by fault of Lauren Spierer and Kilroy's Sports Bar. States plaintiff's claim fails to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. Asserts all defenses available under Indiana Dram Shop Liability Act.

    Rossman alleges claimed injuries and damages were proximately caused by Lauren Spierer, Kilroy's Sports Bar, and David Rohn over which whom he had no right of control. States plaintiffs may have received payments which constitute an accord, satisfaction, or collateral source set-off to any judgment they may obtain against him. States plaintiff's claim fails to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. States that his conduct was not the proximate cause of the incident, injuries, and damages alleged. Incorporates any and all Affirmative Defenses listed by any other Defendant. Reserves the right to assert additional defenses as may be revealed in the course of discovery.


    I'd prefer to not post the PDF's as I'm unsure of my own redaction responsibility, but am happy to answer questions if anyone would like to know how a party specifically answered any part of the Spierer's complaint. With any luck someone will probably make them publicly available soon anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bx2 View Post
    I'll try to give some of the few items of note from the Rosenbaum and Rossman responses to the Spierer's complaint linked in post #943 above. It will be much easier to list the admissions, as everything else consists of either a denial or a lack of sufficient information, though some of those may be of interest as well.

    Nature of Actions
    Rosenbaum admits jurisdiction is proper (paragraph 2), venue is proper (3), Rob and Charlene Spierer are a resident of NY (4,5) but lacks knowledge to the remainder of paragraph 4&5. Rossman denies 2 and 3, and lacks knowledge for all of 4 and 5.

    The Parties
    Both Rosenbaum and Rossman admit the allegations in paragraphs 7,8, and 9 (defendants' respective state of residence).

    Allegations
    Rossman denies or lacks knowledge to all of the paragraphs here. For events up to paragraph 20, he denies the allegations, but starting at 21 (after leaving Kilroys) he is without sufficient information to admit or deny. Interestingly he does deny paragraph 24 (which is "Rossman engaged in a physical confrontation with one of these individuals"). Probably a wording dispute there since we've been told this event is on video.

    Rosenbaum also denies or lacks knowledge to most of the allegations with a few exceptions: (11) admits Lauren visited his residence June 2, 2011 (but lacks knowledge to the remainder of #11). (34) admits Spierer left his residence on her own and was last seen walking in the direction of 11th Street and College Ave at approximately 4:30am (but denies the remainder of #34). (37) admits that to his knowledge and belief that Spierer has never been located (denies the remainder of #37). (33) admits that Beth left his residence (but denies the remainder of #33). [I find this one interesting as #33 is simply "Beth left and returned to his residence after these efforts"; odd that he agrees Beth left, but denies, rather than admitting to not knowing, that Beth returned to his residence. Is that insinuating Beth went elsewhere or maybe just a continuance of denying the efforts he had previously denied in #32]

    Count One - Negligence resulting in Disappearance, Death, or Injury
    Dismissed by the court on 12/23/13

    Count Two - Negligence per se
    Both parties deny all paragraphs except Rossman admits to to #48 (that IC 7.1-5-10-15.5 imposed a specific duty)

    Count Three - Dram Shop
    Both parties deny all

    Affirmative Defenses
    Rosenbaum alleges claimed injuries and damages were caused in whole or part by fault of Lauren Spierer and Kilroy's Sports Bar. States plaintiff's claim fails to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. Asserts all defenses available under Indiana Dram Shop Liability Act.

    Rossman alleges claimed injuries and damages were proximately caused by Lauren Spierer, Kilroy's Sports Bar, and David Rohn over which whom he had no right of control. States plaintiffs may have received payments which constitute an accord, satisfaction, or collateral source set-off to any judgment they may obtain against him. States plaintiff's claim fails to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. States that his conduct was not the proximate cause of the incident, injuries, and damages alleged. Incorporates any and all Affirmative Defenses listed by any other Defendant. Reserves the right to assert additional defenses as may be revealed in the course of discovery.


    I'd prefer to not post the PDF's as I'm unsure of my own redaction responsibility, but am happy to answer questions if anyone would like to know how a party specifically answered any part of the Spierer's complaint. With any luck someone will probably make them publicly available soon anyway.
    Thank you for this, I've read most of what I can find online but this breakdown of their responses is interesting. I find it particularly interesting That Cory implicates DR (which I'm aware in this context could be as simple as him stating that Rohn gave lauren a drug that could have made her impaired, not necessarily that Rohn was directly connected to/responsible for her disappearance), I would guess that this means Rohn has cooperated with the spierers and LE.

    My reading of this particular lawsuit so far makes me think that the spierers are going after anyone they can in order to get information (I by no means mean this in a negative way, most of the POIs don't seem to be talking, so this is their only recourse, and imo they've been very smart about it) and I'd be willing to bet that since Rohn isn't named as a defendant in the lawsuit there is a reason for it. I'm really hoping that however this lawsuit progresses that it gives out at least a little new information. I know I've been extremely frustrated with the lack of information in this case, I'm guessing a lot of other people here have been as well, and I can't imagine the pain this is causing the spierers and lauren's friends. No matter what your personal theory is about what happened that night, I think we all can agree that there is potential here for JR and CR (either knowingly or unknowingly) to reveal some bit of information thats new to us/LE. I just hope that somehow something can come out that gives a new or more concrete direction to this case. Its been over 2 and a half years, thats far too long

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    Thanks Bx2 - That's a really helpful summary


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    Looks like a load of lawyer talk and no information. Looks like they need deposed and I'd bet the judge will want some straight truthful answers.

    If these guys are innocent? Why run up legal fees and go to such effort to not reveal what they know? Suspicious!!!!!!!
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    Do we have any proof that Lauren could not have left Jay's like he claims? In the LoHud video, frequently linked to here, the detective is asked about Lauren's condition as last seen. He says she is OK. Then he says, not really. I take that to mean she is ripped but not unconscious.

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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #32

    It's been far too long...

    I wish there were more LE resources to re-search EVERY single body of water, wooded area, etc. in the Bloomington area. I think about Lauren daily as it hits close to home. I hope we get some answers soon, We all know Charlene and Rob need some.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacobite View Post
    Do we have any proof that Lauren could not have left Jay's like he claims? In the LoHud video, frequently linked to here, the detective is asked about Lauren's condition as last seen. He says she is OK. Then he says, not really. I take that to mean she is ripped but not unconscious.
    Here's the quote from the PI (Snipped from http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ostcount=585):

    MC: And that's where we have a female witness who was leaving, uh, visiting a boy. She's not a college student, she's a little bit older. And she observed the young girl, which we now know to be Lauren, to tip over, while she was sitting on the top step, and hit her head on the concrete. And the boy was sitting a step or two below her.

    BD:: And it was loud enough to for her to hear--

    MC: You could hear the thud

    BD: The thud of her head, yeah.

    SC: So Lauren and Corey headed up an alleyway from there and Lauren is seen falling face first to the ground, hitting her head. She didn't even put up her hands to block herself. Corey helped her to her feet and then just a few steps later she crumbled again to the ground. And again, Corey helps her up and they head up the street. So Lauren and Corey headed up an alleyway from there and head into an apartment building at Tenth and College and knock on the door of four girls who were partying with them earlier in the night, but no one's home.

    MC: A minute later, the door opening and them going back down and him helping her with that, kinda slung across his back.

    SC: So, going down the stairs. Going down, he slings her—her puts her...?

    MC: He has her arms like this in front of him and he's bent over like this and she's kinda dangling off his back [demonstrates]

    SC: But she's... she's moving though. She's not unconscious.

    MC: Oh no, she's – she was alive and well. I mean, I don't know how well, but...she was alive.
    So yeah, in the context of what he is describing (i.e., Lauren couldn't walk on her own and had just fallen and hit her head, hard) I don't think he's saying she was okay. Just that she wasn't totally unconscious. That's why he goes back and corrects himself, right?

    I don't think it's possible to have proof that she could not have left Jay's apartment - that's what makes this case so hard to solve. At the same time, if we look at all of the evidence we have -- the reports from people who saw Lauren in the hour or so before she went missing and the descriptions of video surveillance -- they all consistently report that Lauren couldn't walk on her own.

    Is there any evidence that Lauren did walk out of 5 N on her own? Only the word of one Person of Interest (JR), and suggestions from the other two (CR and MB) that Lauren could have walked out -- But these stories appear to have changed since they had their lawyers give public statements in 2011. It's hard to understand why, if Lauren had really walked out the door, the POI would have deliberately tried to mislead people about Lauren's condition and their own involvement with her in the hours before she disappeared.

    JMO

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    It's sickens me to read this again but, reading it again, it seems there doesn't seem to really be a way that Lauren could have left on her own, it appears that she couldn't even walk on her own What could have occurred to make it so she could? Is that even possible? I wouldn't think so especially with her head, and possible other bodily, injuries. I hope they didn't let her attempt to crawl home!

    Also can someone elaborate on this statement?:

    MC: "A minute later, the door opening and them going back down and him helping her with that, kinda slung across his back."

    What door and going back down where? Is that the girls' apartment at 10th and College? Like they knocked and no one answered then someone did come to the door as they were leaving so they went back down to the apartment? Help, did I miss something? TIA!

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