How do you know its a lie?
I agree this was a crime of passion...and I suppose it could have been self-defense. It is very difficult to prove and if Jodi had said that from day one, we wouldn't be here.
I am surprised that many of the women who have been hurt by men do not have more compassion for Arias. Not compassion for the murder but for more understanding about abuse and how it works.
I do not see the fear that I expected. That could be for any number of reasons. First, that she has not fear because she is lying...and that makes sense because she has lied a lot. Or...it could be because she is on medication. Or it could be because the threat is gone. I don't know...and I don't presume to have the answers.
I will step away now....carry on.
Hi friend! Nice to see you here. Sorry it is so heated!!! Everyone has been so immersed in this case and has seen, day by day, how jodi's story has been dismantled, how she has attempted to destroy Travis' memory with tales that cannot be substantiated and how Travis' family and friends have been devastated by this cand can do nothing but sit still and take it. So people here are at a fever pitch of disgust, extreme sadness for the family and just rage at what she is doing.
But no one should attack you. You are a doll and you're entitled to voice your opinion.
A couple of things though. One, crime of passion is a sudden act that occurs as a result of a sudden emotion precipitated by something that just happened or better, is happening. Examples would be someone walks in and finds their wife having sex with another man or someone comes home unannounced and finds the babysitter molesting their child.
The sequence of events as recorded by the camera jodi was using pretty much negates the possibility of this being a crime of passion. Seconds after the last photo of Travis, in which he is seated, naked, in the shower, he was being killed. There is really nothing Travis could have done or said in that position to allow for her killing of him to rise to the level of a crime of passion, IMO.
As to self defense, she has failed to prove that. Again, the timing as evidenced by the photos negates self-defense as does her own testimony. She basically said that a naked Travis lunged at her from a sitting position and knocked her over while half his body remained in the shower and still was somehow able to reach her a few feet away. It defies logic.
Her tale of how she ran to a closet (not out the door) to get away after wrestling on the floor, and then grabbed a gun she claimed he had (but no one else ever heard about, and one there was no evidence Travis ever possessed), and jumped up on a top shelf without using her hands, just her feet, and then ran around a charging Travis who was by then in the closet with her, and then ran back to the bathroom, again not out the door, as a naked Travis charged her with his hands outstretched like he was flying and head tilted at a super odd angle (to account for the trajectory of the bullet which was from the top right to the bottom left of his face) and that the gun just kind of went off and she can remember nothing else, does not prove self-defense.
There is also a principle in self-defense that you do just as much damage as necessary to get away or to survive, not more. The accounts of the ME and of jodi as she described, in the ninja story, Travis' death throes, show that after the first shot, Travis would not have been able to do much at all except die.
As to how women feel toward jodi, I noticed that at the beginning, there were quite a few, at times even a majority, it seemed, that believed her story could be true. Or at least, they believed that Travis was a scoundrel and I got the sense that many felt that while she should not have killed him, she might have been dealing with such a broken heart due to his emotional abuse, that she lost it. I also got the sense that most people with that position have been badly used and hurt by men, but that is just my sense.
Interestingly, the very vast majority (99.999999999%) of women posters who have actually been victims of domestic violence, not used, not victims of heart break, but actual victims of stalking, physically violent, controlling, scary perps, do not believe one word out of jodi's mouth.
It's not just that she shows no fear. It's that her stories of "abuse" by Travis have not a hint of reality to them. There is no connectivity. Even jodi can;t keep up the pretense much. She described days and days upon days of sex, with head downcast and soft tone and described how it made her "uncomfortable", but actually, mots of the time her direct testimony contradicted her discomfort. It was strange. She actually admitted to liking a lot of the sex acts during direct.
And the couple instances of physical abuse she testified to were not believable to people who have suffered physical abuse or know people who have (Like me. She is nothing like the numerous women I have represented in court in domestic violence actions). Then, JM totally refuted her tale of having her finger broken by Travis after she caught him masturbating to images of children. It was almost a Perry Mason moment.
Finally, there is no corroborating evidence that jodi was abused by Travis. None at all. :moo:
The one thing that stands out for me for premeditation are the gas cans and the shutting down of her phone and using cash only while in Arizona? Why would anyone go to such an extreme unless something wicked this way comes? I hope the jury will also keep coming back to that piece of evidence! They have not given me a plausible reason why she would go to such extremes to hide her trip before hand...she wasn't just covering her tracks! Therefore...premeditation...
Also, to add to that great list, the coincidental burglary of jodi's residence and odd theft of just a couple of items, including a rare caliber gun, an old computer of jodi's and, according to her, $30.00 of hers), while leaving several guns behind and other expensive items, in a break a week before Travis' murder with the same, rare caliber gun, a break in the authorities then thought was "suspicious" as there were no real signs of forced entry and the burglars seemed to target three unrelated items while leaving more valuable stuff behind.
Further, was jodi's rental of a car 100 miles from her own town, where she could have also rented a car. And then, how jodi demanded a car that was not red because she didn't want to stand out. Finally, the upside down license plates. All of that added to what you wrote above makes a very solid case for premeditation.
She has an astute vocabulary....but a flat affect.
I agree that she is intelligent. Considering she never graduated high school, I think she's bright. Also, jodi has been shrewd and cunning enough to get away with evil her whole life.
However, like most sociopaths and psychopaths, she thinks she is smarter than everyone else and that's what makes her stupid!!
OK, sorry....maybe that is so.
I have been used before so I can relate in part...and I hated myself for allowing it and for participating in it. For that, I have compassion.
People here are mercilessly cruel. To say, "Die *****!" is horrible for anyone to say to another human being...especially here at Websleuths. It shouldn't be allowed and I'm horrified. That makes us, in some regard, as no better than those who do these heinous things we see here day in and day out.
I hurt for both families. Its terrible that Travis died as he did. No doubt he used Arias. She let it happen and didn't stop it. Did she kill him out of jealousy? Perhaps. It seems logical. But they had been broken up and she was moving away...so why would she be so jealous at this point? Its very sad all around.
No outcome will fix anything. Alexander cannot come back and Arias will pay with her life...whether alive or dead. I do not think Arias will receive the death penalty....but what do I know...
Its very discouraging to see humanity in this state. I'm more disappointed in the bashing I see here than anything else. After hundreds of posts and countless cases over several years, I have rarely seen such.
Hi again!! I think there is great doubt that Travis ever used jodi. The only evidence that has not come from the liar's lips shows that jodi was the one who used Travis.
Yes, nothing will bring back Travis but I do find it interesting that often that statement is only made when there is some sympathy for the defendant.
And if we followed that sentiment in law, then we would have no need for prison and death sentences. This is not about bringing back Travis. It's about making sure a monster can never walk the streets again and to hopefully dissuade other evil people from committing similar crimes.
As to the bashing, I hope you will excuse the anger on here. It has been a long trial and those who have watched day after day have seen the horror of this person and what she has done to Travis and his loved ones. It is almost unbearable so emotions are running high.
I am not a nay sayer. I was referring to the leniency of the judge and the tactics of the defense. But if you prefer that I occupy a separate bench, so be it! Guess worries are not allowed on this bench.
No, it's okay to worry. I don't blame you. I was worried too at first.
But after hearing the sex tape, that was enough for me. Then came her sudden amnesia during the murder itself, followed by an immediate return of her memory, her lack of evidence of any kind of pattern of abuse, and then came the miraculous cross examination.
Don't worry. Unless one of the jurors is mentally ill or intellectually disabled, she will not walk, IMO. She may not get death, but she's never going to see the outside of a prison again. :moo:
