17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #18

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Thanks much, I listened to that from another link that I can't find now.


Dunno if we can post the audio link, but it's in the comments under the article here
http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/30841174/detail.html#ixzz1rHyJyZmJ


May be these ole ears, but it almost sounds like 2 shots. And it sounds as if the people making the 911 call mention shots, and make reference to a shot at 2 different times after a 'noise'

anyway, there is some sort of a loud noise, before the 2nd louder noise

but, we know GZ only fired off one shot ..


wonder what that other noise was......


I'm no expert, but have some experience with guns (9mm) I'll try and explain what I hear, I hear the crack of the bullet leaving the chamber, and the echo that follows. The echo between the buildings could have made it sound like more shots were fired. JMO I hope this helps.
 
I'm still stuck on you've killed someone and a week or two later all you can say is, "I thought it would have blown over by now"

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...yvon-martin-zimmerman-20120325,0,768039.story

"It's just starting to sink in" to Zimmerman how big the controversy over the shooting has become, Oliver said. "Up until this point, because he was there and he knows what happened ... he has been very confident -- naively -- that this would all blow over."

Is Oliver his lawyer? A new lawyer? Sounds like he needs to go back to school. There are some things you just don't say, and your client thinking this would blow over is DEFINITELY not something you say out loud much less to the media! Jeebus. *facepalm*
 
I'm still stuck on you've killed someone and a week or two later all you can say is, "I thought it would have blown over by now"

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...yvon-martin-zimmerman-20120325,0,768039.story

"It's just starting to sink in" to Zimmerman how big the controversy over the shooting has become, Oliver said. "Up until this point, because he was there and he knows what happened ... he has been very confident -- naively -- that this would all blow over."

See, this is what I am talking about. GZ is NOT the one who said that. It was said by a guy who may or may not be his friend. Someone who admitted he hadn't even seen him after the shooting. But then GZ is now being judged for a statement that he did not even make. And to say " ALL HE CAN SAY about the killing is this ..." is really unfair, imo. Because he didn't say it, and it is not the only thing he has said, surely.
 
Is Oliver his lawyer? A new lawyer? Sounds like he needs to go back to school. There are some things you just don't say, and your client thinking this would blow over is DEFINITELY not something you say out loud much less to the media! Jeebus. *facepalm*

But there are no quotes in that article. Who says what GZ said IF ANYTHING, about it blowing over.
 
I could tell a reporter that I was friends with the Martin family. And I could say " Gee, they thought there would have been lots of riots happening already." Would anyone assume that it was a valid or accurate quote? I doubt it. So why jump to conclusions about what GZ supposedly said?
 
I don't disagree with you LC - as far as the NWP, he volunteered for the job, but that doesn't mean the management company may have also had an arrangement with him - management would take care of the rented units for the bank, HOA would be over the owned units.

I tend to agree with you after looking at the calls - there were only about 6 per year - not nearly what one would expect of a non-commissioned courtesy officer. The thing that bothers me though, his calls escalated once he appointed himself NWB captain....and made me re-think my position that he may have been CO at his previous apartments. The apartments from 2005 are over 500 units, no way was he a non-commissioned CO there with so few calls to LE. A property that size would have law enforcement patrol anyway - if for no other reason than to have their marked cars visible.

However - if GZ made friends with the cops that were patrol officers on the communities, he might see himself as helping them out, getting in good in case he needed references if and when he applied himself. Patrol officers who work as CO's on properties really don't do much at all - they're just a presence for the most part.

I do think he wanted to be a cop and I don't think he should have been issued a gun - what happened with Trayvon was bound to happen. IMO

Where are you getting that GZ was an non-commissioned courtesy officer? Links please
 
Corpses have been misidentified by pictures before, so they don't take any chances with that. Death is cruel in general - I don't see much difference between showing someone a picture of their dead relative and showing them the actual person, except the reality might be easier to accept in the morgue. If someone is dead, the body is going to be viewed at the funeral anyway.


They can't, and hence the morgue visit. The horrible thing for Mr. Martin was probably realizing with horror that Trayvon died so close to the house in a place where he expected to be safe. It's a nightmare. :(

Not to mention there wasn't a sign of a homicide having taken place on the premises when he and his GF arrived back at the complex just three hours later....JMHO
 
I agree that they are trying out defense strategies. But having been attacked in a similar manner as GZ has claimed, I find the description believable. GZ was more evenly matched than I was, but it is hard (impossible for me) to stand, walk, or run when your attacker is on top of you slamming your head into the floor by violently shaking your shoulders (they pick you up at your shoulders and then slam you back down). Because I've been in a similar situation, I find GZ's fear of brain injury to be one of the most believable aspects of his story.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

But, but he has no hair. How do you bang someone's head continually when they have no hair??? If anything I would think TM would try to choke him. GZ's arms were not pinned down there are lots of defensive moves he could have done to get TM off him. A bouncer who can't get someone off them???? I just don't believe his story. I really think GZ was holding onto TM and that is why TM could not get away and why GZ could not get up. I think that was him who called for help before the 911 calls because he wanted John to help him get this guy off me until LE gets here.

Why call LE - GZ did not want this one to get away
Why follow - GZ did not want this one to get away
Why get out of the car - GZ did not want this one to get away
What sounds logical to me is GZ got into a struggle with TM because he did not want this one to get away.

TM's history shows no violence. His older brother was interviewed and appears well spoken and very mild/laid back. He claims his brother was the same. TM's friends say he was the same. There is no reason to believe TM would have jumped GZ but there is reason to believe GZ may have wanted to keep TM right where he was until LE got there. There is reason to believe GZ never told TM that LE was on their way and he needed to wait. He didn't do so when he was on the line with LE. TM cannot speak for himself other than what his family, teachers, friends all say about him. He just does not seem like the type to jump someone from behind and if what the GF said is true we know he didn't, he asked a simple question, "Why are you following me?" jmo
 

Actually, this article is quoting GZ's friend, Joe Oliver. And Joe is not quoting GZ. In fact, he only says "he heard" that GZ couldn't stop crying, not that he personally witnessed that or had even seen GZ since the shooting.

But that's all the more reason not to say it. Joe isn't doing George any favors by giving this quote, ESPECIALLY if George never said it.

Honestly, George or his lawyer probably needed to tell everyone who is "helping" to just shut up and stop talking to the media. Remember when we kept wondering where all the Anthony friends were? Maybe they were getting better legal advice than we gave them credit for. I can only imagine what would have come out of those interviews!
 
I do not know about illegal but it certainly calls the report into question. I can only say this: in the department I worked for, I was never once asked to alter a submitted report once it had been accepted, and when I was eventually a supervisor myself, it never once occured to me to ask someone else to do so. I cannot imagine it even coming up, other than in some effort to rewrite history or something. New information comes to light every day during an investigation. That follow up investigation and information has it's own report, and one from every single officer involved.

I can understand relabeling a case file, or ammending a cover letter or something, but actually altering a report?

IN MY OPINION ONLY!

(Note: I said "once accepted." By this I mean that, despite their training, it is not uncommon to see new officers attempt to turn in reports that are complete trash. It is a supervisor's job to ensure that this doesn't happen.)
Our department was allowed to do "supplemetal reports". That is pretty standard if there is additional information.
 
Is Oliver his lawyer? A new lawyer? Sounds like he needs to go back to school. There are some things you just don't say, and your client thinking this would blow over is DEFINITELY not something you say out loud much less to the media! Jeebus. *facepalm*

Mr Oliver is an acquaintance of George Zimmerman's, IIRC he was GZ'S media adviser, until a 2nd lawyer was added to GZ's team. :moo:
 
Mr Oliver is an acquaintance of George Zimmerman's, IIRC he was GZ'S media adviser, until a 2nd lawyer was added to GZ's team. :moo:

Sorry, I did not know that. He needs to stop talking for GZ. Even if GZ didn't say it, I don't see anything about him not being happy that this person spoke for him. If he gave this person permission to speak for him, then it's just like he was the one saying it, IMO.
 
The quotes are for OLIVER, not Zimmerman, if I am reading it correctly.


Why yes they certainly are. Zimmerman's friends, family and lawyer are in the media giving George's account. That is what we have from Zimmerman.
 
Adding to the uncertainty and flux was the sense among some residents that this secured community was no longer so secure. There had been burglaries; at least seven in 2011, according to police reports. Strangers had started showing up, said Frank Taaffe, 55, a marketing specialist, originally from the Bronx, who works out of his home in the Retreat. He made it clear that he was not talking about just any strangers.

“There were Trayvon-like dudes with their pants down,” Mr. Taaffe said.

Last August, the homeowners association decided to create a neighborhood watch, and a Sanford police official came to the Retreat to explain the guidelines: volunteers do not possess police powers; they should not be armed; and they should be the eyes and ears for the police — but not vigilantes.

The group chose as its neighborhood watch coordinator the very man who had invited the official to speak: a man with thinning dark hair and an average build named George Zimmerman. The next month, the newsletter for the homeowners association included a cartoon of a man peering through a magnifying glass, à la Sherlock Holmes, next to a call for help: “We have recently experienced an increased incidence of crime within the community, including three break-ins in the past month, which is why having residents committed to being members of the Neighborhood Watch and reporting suspicious activities is so important. We must send a message that we will not tolerate this in our community!”

To get involved, the newsletter said, “Call George Zimmerman.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/u...-a-review-of-ideals.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2&hp

Wonder who the Officer was and I wonder if George showed them the cool gun he was packing.
 
See, this is what I am talking about. GZ is NOT the one who said that. It was said by a guy who may or may not be his friend. Someone who admitted he hadn't even seen him after the shooting. But then GZ is now being judged for a statement that he did not even make. And to say " ALL HE CAN SAY about the killing is this ..." is really unfair, imo. Because he didn't say it, and it is not the only thing he has said, surely.

If GZ didn't want him speaking on his behalf... he would have his lawyers threaten legal action. If he was not given permission to be speaking on GZ's behalf then GZ has a right to ask him to stop or threaten to sue.
 
Adding to the uncertainty and flux was the sense among some residents that this secured community was no longer so secure. There had been burglaries; at least seven in 2011, according to police reports. Strangers had started showing up, said Frank Taaffe, 55, a marketing specialist, originally from the Bronx, who works out of his home in the Retreat. He made it clear that he was not talking about just any strangers.

“There were Trayvon-like dudes with their pants down,” Mr. Taaffe said.

Last August, the homeowners association decided to create a neighborhood watch, and a Sanford police official came to the Retreat to explain the guidelines: volunteers do not possess police powers; they should not be armed; and they should be the eyes and ears for the police — but not vigilantes.

The group chose as its neighborhood watch coordinator the very man who had invited the official to speak: a man with thinning dark hair and an average build named George Zimmerman. The next month, the newsletter for the homeowners association included a cartoon of a man peering through a magnifying glass, à la Sherlock Holmes, next to a call for help: “We have recently experienced an increased incidence of crime within the community, including three break-ins in the past month, which is why having residents committed to being members of the Neighborhood Watch and reporting suspicious activities is so important. We must send a message that we will not tolerate this in our community!”

To get involved, the newsletter said, “Call George Zimmerman.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/u...-a-review-of-ideals.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2&hp

Wonder who the Officer was and I wonder if George showed them the cool gun he was packing.

Add Mr. T to the list of people who should STOP HELPING George. FGS, what is a "Trayvon-like dude"???
 
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