Of course.Are "refuters" pro-conspiracy; attempting to refute, or prove false, the court conclusions?
Of course.Are "refuters" pro-conspiracy; attempting to refute, or prove false, the court conclusions?
Right, they were not visible. How is it determined that they were made the night of the crime?
This is from the Rudy Guede's final appeal (PRESIDED OVER BY DR. UMBERTO GIORDANO)
"For Sollecito they give evidence: traces of DNA on the piece of fabric to which to the hooks of the bra are attached, the knife, which is compatible with the wounds inflicted on Meredith, found at his house with traces of Knox's DNA on the handle and Kerchers on the blade, a print of a bare foot which is compatible with Sollecito's, found on the mat in the bathroom. For Knox: the traces on the knife handle found at the home of Sollecito, statements by Guede, the footprints from Knox and Sollecito detected by luminol, traces of genetic material on the sink and bidet, the phrase "I was there" in a conversation intercepted in prison between Knox and her parents, the testimony of Nara Capezzali who, at the time of the crime from her home about 70 meters away from via della Pergola heard a heart-rending scream and soon afterwards the footsteps of people going in opposite directions, towards via del Melo and along via del Bulagaio." (page 10)
Having viewed the records, the sentence and the appeal
heard in PUBLIC HEARING on December 16, 2010,
on the report made by Judge Dr. ENZO IANNELLI
Having heard the Chief Appeal Court Prosecutor
in the person of Dr. Gialanella
http://truejustice.org/ee//documents/perugia/guedesupremecourtsentencingreport.pdf
That they were made from another , prior, time? or that they were in fact made during a clean up or staging, after Guede had committed the act alone (I have written elsewhere how/why I have suspected this)How is it possible that luminol evidence is accepted in any courtroom ... except that there is no other expanation for the evidence that is detected using luminol. That is ... have we had any other reasonable explanation for the footprints that were detected using luminol?
- For Sollecito they give evidence:
traces of DNA on the piece of fabric to which to the hooks of the bra are attached,
the knife, which is compatible with the wounds inflicted on Meredith, found at his house with traces of Knox's DNA on the handle and Kerchers on the blade,
a print of a bare foot which is compatible with Sollecito's, found on the mat in the bathroom.
- For Knox:
the traces on the knife handle found at the home of Sollecito, statements by Guede,
the footprints from Knox and Sollecito detected by luminol,
traces of genetic material on the sink and bidet,
the phrase "I was there" in a conversation intercepted in prison between Knox and her parents,
the testimony of Nara Capezzali who, at the time of the crime from her home about 70 meters away from via della Pergola heard a heart-rending scream and soon afterwards the footsteps of people going in opposite directions, towards via del Melo and along via del Bulagaio.
Must rush out, but surely I am not the only one who believed the defense's vigorous refutations of some of these, nor various experts' refutations? In fact, all of this was refuted. But I will leave it for others to grapple with. . .
That they were made from another , prior, time? or that they were in fact made during a clean up or staging, after Guede had committed the act alone (I have written elsewhere how/why I have suspected this)
no, it is my own thought. But as for all refutations to my refutations: Ergo, anyone who believes Knox and Sollecito were railroaded is a deluded idiot and half wit. : ( So why even have this forum, they are both guilty as sin, and the rest of us should dry up. Kind of what is being said, between the lines.Can you refer me to where lawyers presented arguments providing an alternate time frame (other than the murder) for the footprints that were detected using luminol?
quick closing thoughts:
- why should we believe what Rudy says?
- why was the bra collected 47 days later? contamination?
- how do we know when Amanda's prints were made? why not the day prior?
- the woman who heard this is from what I had heard not all that reliable, and half deaf
- "I was there", at Sollecito's, even though they say I had left
- were there not huge questions about the knife?
- if Mignini can break the law once, he may do so even in this case?
- and finally, can all refuters be stupid, evil, and dishonest?
Reasonable doubt about much of it...
no, it is my own thought. But as for all refutations to my refutations: Ergo, anyone who believes Knox and Sollecito were railroaded is a deluded idiot and half wit. : ( So why even have this forum, they are both guilty as sin, and the rest of us should dry up. Kind of what is being said, between the lines.
but that will not change anyone's mind, on either side, I assume....:snooty::snooty:The case is under appeal, just like many trials all over the world. Until the appeals are exhausted, new information is possible ... which is why many people are still following the case. Although there was an abundance of evidence presented during the 11 month trial, only three pieces of evidence are under review during appeal: knife, clasp, eye-witness testimony. All the other evidence has been accepted by the courts. We will know how the court rules on May 21. After that ... I think the Supreme court makes it's ruling.
what about my other points?:snooty:Half deaf? She doesn't seem half deaf. She seems to be quite capable of hearing normal conversation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd-Th8lIxyo
It is important to note that although Paul Ciolino claims police did not speak to Nara at all, she did testify in court ... thus making it rather obvious that Paul Ciolino is not being truthful. Clearly investigators spoke to her about what she heard on the night of the murder.
but that will not change anyone's mind, on either side, I assume....:snooty::snooty:
i.e., if the convictions are overturned, you will continue to think they are guilty; if they are upheld, I will still have reasonable doubt. How could it be otherwise, now?
Well, I sure hope the convictions are overturned, then - because I feel I gave months and months of serious consideration to their guilt, and only came to believe in their innocence reluctantly, slowly, and against my will. I trusted Mignini and the courts fully, until I was given reason to mistrust. I would like to see some of the zealots (not you, but on a "certain site") have to go through the same process....Really? I disagree. I had no opinion of the involvement of Amanda and Raffaele in the murder until the trial. Trial evidence convinced me of their guilt. If it is demonstrated that errors were made in the evidence, then I would reconsider my opinion. I think many would.
what about my other points?:snooty:
why should we believe what Rudy says?
why was the bra collected 47 days later? contamination?
how do we know when Amanda's prints were made? why not the day prior?
the woman who heard this is from what I had heard not all that reliable, and half deaf
"I was there", at Sollecito's, even though they say I had left
were there not huge questions about the knife?
if Mignini can break the law once, he may do so even in this case?
and finally, can all refuters be stupid, evil, and dishonest?
Well, I sure hope the convictions are overturned, then - because I feel I gave months and months of serious consideration to their guilt, and only came to believe in their innocence reluctantly, slowly, and against my will. I trusted Mignini and the courts fully, until I was given reason to mistrust. I would like to see some of the zealots (not you, but on a "certain site") have to go through the same process....