17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #9

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Wise Old Owl said:
WOW - On HLN now. Reporter is talking about the time stamp on the video - he said the time stamp is 19:52 - that would be 7:52. Man, they got in there, processed that scene and got out REALLY QUICK!!! That's not even a whole hour after the shooting.

Unbelievable - but not surprising.



JMHO
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I wonder why the timestamp wasn't present in the video that was released.

In any case, the report makes it seem like they turned the scene over to major crimes and transported Zimmerman back. Him being brought back to the station doesn't mean anything with regards to the police processing the scene.
 
Wise Old Owl said:
WOW - On HLN now. Reporter is talking about the time stamp on the video - he said the time stamp is 19:52 - that would be 7:52. Man, they got in there, processed that scene and got out REALLY QUICK!!! That's not even a whole hour after the shooting.

Unbelievable - but not surprising.



JMHO
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:what: So he looked like that in less than a hour? Imagine that. :banghead: So when his lawyer was saying it was like 4 hours later he was lying........shocked I tell you, shocked.
 
LambChop said:
Would it ever be considered an accident though since GZ was pursuing TM?
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LOL I don't think at this point anyone is going to believe it, but Oliver was putting out bread crumbs on some of his interviews, and then his Dad does not say, "That's when he shot him" he says, " And that's when George did what he did" which to my ear sounds very much as if they are vetting a story that is going to include a struggle for the gun and an accidental discharge...maybe I am wrong, but I would not be shocked if that is not the next story out of the gate IMO JMHO and stuff.
 
tehcloser said:
Those da#n evil hoodies. I knew they were trouble. They are just like Rock and Roll, and that heathen Elvis and his shaking pelvis! It all leads to wild drinking and drugging and sexing! Those of you who have them should burn them now!!!!!!!!!! Save Amerika' da#nit burn a hoodie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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When hoodies are outlawed, only outlaws will wear hoodies.
 
MaryAnn said:
If he did hit his head one time on the side walk that is a little different from having his head slammed to the concrete repeatedly. Maybe there was a scuffle when he got close to TM and GZ tripped lost his footing paniced and shot TM. If some stranger who didn't identify himself approached me from behind and I knew I couldn't get away and didn't have mace or anything you can bet I'd go down fighting. TM deserved to fight for his life and I know that's all TM was doing if GZ did have any kind of injuries.
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Assuming you are correct...
Then why not shoot the kid in the leg so he can’t run...Why shoot to kill?
this is way I think something happened which we do not know and it created the situation with one dead. :(
But I imagine GZ would know not to shoot to kill.

TM did have a right to fight for his life. Absoultly.
But I do not think Zimmerment just took it - I think there is still something missing.

IF I was in GZ's position and I had to shoot, I would make sure I did not shoot to kill.
 
Kimberlyd125 said:
Funny.

But they do hide the face. That's why they are not allowed in SOME places.

I have several. I've never stolen a quarter.

I'm sure most who wear them are not bank robbers.

But they are a security risk. HIDES the face.
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in banks they are... yes...

they hide the face.

but T was not in a bank....
 
tehcloser said:
:what: So he looked like that in less than a hour? Imagine that. :banghead: So when his lawyer was saying it was like 4 hours later he was lying........shocked I tell you, shocked.
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Actually, if that report is right and it was 7:52 - its only 35 minutes after the shooting.

7:17 to 7:52 is 35 minutes.


Wow.


ETA - 36 minutes if you want to go with the 7:16 time of the shot. I just can't get over how tight the timeline in this case is.
 
Well see........the thing about "outlawed hoodies" is they WERE NOT OUTLAWED where TM was............but it does deflect from the video and the no bruising or signs of a struggle on TM and GZ's father's outlandish story and...........
 
songline said:
Good point... but would not have to grab his hair to slam his head, you can slam it in other ways.
DID GZ say he grabbed his hair? if he did then it would be interesting to see how that happened.

I do think the kid was scared, I also think the kid was not going to show he was scared.
IMHO The kid showed a rebellious side, but I can’t say that GZ was not hot headed at all, I think he was.
But I don’t think he set out to kill anyone. I do think it was aggravated manslaughter or something like that, negligent homicide maybe.
But some charge should be made, and GZ can claim self defense and hopefully get the right verdict.
Do I believe for one second this kid was squeaky clean. NO WAY.
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How many people of died because things have gotten out of hand. All that was required from the very first time GZ saw TM was a respectful question..."do you live here son?" or "You're getting wet, do you need a ride home?" It's all in the approach. If you are going to approach someone, anyone, you owe them the respect of doing so civilly even if he's just a kid. jmo
 
Wise Old Owl said:
Actually 5 minutes from when GZ hung up with dispatch.

GZ's call ended at 7:12

Tray's call dropped from girlfriend at 7:16

First LE on scene at 7:17.

This was quick. I said last night, when we were discussing the screams on the 911 call. That one call covers 40 seconds of screaming before the gunshot. And I think that had to have been most, if not all, of the fight. The woman called when she heard the first scream and I guess was connected pretty fast - and there's 40 seconds of screaming then the gun shot.

From all the versions now of GZ's story - not a single one of them fits into that tight timeline - not a one.



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Thank you for the timeline summary!

jjenny said:
There several witnesses on 911 calls that describe them as wrestling. There clearly was a fight of some sort that lasted several minutes at the most based on a timeline.
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I'm not certain there was any wrestling, we do know from a 911 call - there was at least 35+ seconds of screaming before the shooting. Did GZ mistake TM's cell phone for a gun in the dark and pulled out his own in response?
 
Wise Old Owl said:
Actually, if that report is right and it was 7:52 - its only 35 minutes after the shooting.

7:17 to 7:52 is 35 minutes.


Wow.


ETA - 36 minutes if you want to go with the 7:16 time of the shot. I just can't get over how tight the timeline in this case is.
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Is it just me, or does GZ appear to be extremely calm and collected for someone who was just in a life or death struggle and shot someone to death in that video?

For someone who is suffering PTSD, crying for days and unable to sleep or eat, he is amazingly together 35 minutes after the incident....almost non chalant IMO JMHO and stuff
 
Sensei said:
I have a question though and maybe some of our gun enthusiasts can answer it,

IF GZ and TM were struggling for the gun, and TM got his hand on the gun where the part that slides back and forth when it is fired is, could that have stopped another bullet from reloading in the chamber after it was fired?

I know that I'm not using technical terms but I hope you understand what I am asking, and also is it possible that maybe there would be skin or dna caught around where that slide is to show that is what happened?

Just rambling, it might not even be possible or anything.
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It takes some force to stop the slide from moving. Of course GZ could have returned to gun to safe position and take the bullet out of chamber. Ranch and I were arguing about that last nite. I thought that it takes quite a cool and collected character to remember that after you just killed a teenager. And Ranch rewarded me with "Do you know the way to San Jose" but that is another story.:floorlaugh
 
Concerned Papa said:
BBM

His not being an owner, however, had everything to do with his not being a member of the Home Owners Association. Trayvon was killed in a common ground area of the community that is equally owned by all of the owners in the development. As such, they have potential liability for any negligent act.
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Since Zimmerman was supposedly going to the store when he saw Trayvon and not on "patrol" does the HOA have any responsibility. I assume they will be sued but I don't know about their liability. Hope they have good insurance.

I bet you can get a townhome there cheap though...
 
pinkflamingo said:
Did TM's girlfriend call 911 after the phone went dead?
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No, she tried to call him back. She did not know what happened just that he did not call back. I don't she ever imagined someone had killed him. jmo
 
passionflower said:
Trayvon was not in a bank or store.........he was a kid going home wearing a hoodie.
OMG that could be anyone..............
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Passion, nobody said he was.

We were discussing the fact that one of our poster's children got in trouble at school yesterday for wearing a hood up.

We were discussing the fact that a lot of banks and schools do not allow hoods up for security reasons.

Had nothing to do with TM's hoodie.
 
Concerned Papa said:
BBM

His not being an owner, however, had everything to do with his not being a member of the Home Owners Association. Trayvon was killed in a common ground area of the community that is equally owned by all of the owners in the development. As such, they have potential liability for any negligent act.

A non owner who doesn't share in this potential liability will come back to haunt this community before it's all over, IMO. Concealed carry permit or not, he should never have been allowed on the common grounds of these owner's homes with a loaded gun.



George Zimmerman, as a non owner has exactly ZERO shared liability with this association. THAT'S why he couldn't walk around with a loaded gun in the gated community where I live in central Florida. As I said last night, the O sandwiched between the H and the A doesn't stand for renter.
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I love your post about this HOA and what happened. As far as I'm concerned, an HOA is a community with-in a community. I know neighborhood watches are volunteer situations, BUT...this guy was carrying a gun. Did the HOA get his liability ins. papers for insurance purposes since he was an outsider and not an owner? Catch my drift?

IMO, I think the guy just got paranoid and a little gun happy. Too much of this violence on innocent people going on. It needs to stop.
 
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, MARCH 28, 2012
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: PIO@SANFORDFL.GOV
Sanford, Fla – March 28, 2012 -- The City of Sanford kindly requests that members of the media
refrain from approaching, phoning or emailing city employees when they are in their roles as
private citizens. It has come to light that there have been a few incidents where city staff were
followed and approached at their home or in settings outside of working hours.
Law enforcement officials will not hesitate to make an arrest for stalking.



http://www.sanfordfl.gov/press_releases/Release23.pdf

Unless your name is George Zimmerman then there will be no arrest. Stalk away.
 
rotterdam said:
It takes some force to stop the slide from moving. Of course GZ could have returned to gun to safe position and take the bullet out of chamber. Ranch and I were arguing about that last nite. I thought that it takes quite a cool and collected character to remember that after you just killed a teenager. And Ranch rewarded me with "Do you know the way to San Jose" but that is another story.:floorlaugh
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OMG....I could not get that song out of my head last night and now it's back again. I'll be hearing it all day. lol
 
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