2011.03.04 Motions Hearing - #1 (AM)

[sleutherontheside]

For those wondering if PI is getting paid for being in court.

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Interviewing and locating witnesses
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JAC does not provide reimbursement for clerk of court charges for documents provided to an indigent defendant. (link to Frequently asked Questions # 39)


http://www.justiceadmin.org/faq/Training%20Modules/InvestBilling1.pdf

 

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Well, those hard core criminals down in booking ICA met (probably prostitutes and druggies) all said JB was the very very best! With a recommendation from "real" criminals how could she go wrong?

:shakehead:

IF her story is the Whole Truth.

IMO Baez (from Osceola County) was virtually unknown in Orange County..there are a multitude of "well established and well known" lawyers in Orlando/Orange county..:twocents:

Mr Hornsby's blog post "Attorney of Record in Record Time" is a great piece.
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2009/12/attorney-of-record-in-record-time/

 

[zoey]

IMHO, and I don't profess to be in LE, or an attorney. If there is a missing child LE should do anything they can to get information as to the welfare of the missing child. Arresting someone isn't necessarily going to help at the get-go.

Like in the Cummings case - lots of pressure, no arrests, until it was obviously too late, and they (Ron and Misty) were arrested on drug charges.

In the Dunn case, LE is pitting Shawn against Billie right now in hopes someone will crack. Easily done by threating child *advertiser censored* charges against the both of them.

In the Duckett case, I personally don't believe it was LE that put the pressure on Melinda -- I think Nancy Grace did quite a job of that herself. Source: wiki.com.

Grace interviewed Duckett less than two weeks after the child went missing, questioning her for her alleged lack of openness regarding her son's disappearance, asking Duckett "Where were you? Why aren't you telling us where you were that day?" Duckett appeared confused and was unable to answer whether or not she had taken a polygraph test. When Grace asked her why she could not account for specific details, Duckett began to reply, "Because I was told not to," to which Grace responded, "Ms. Duckett, you are not telling us for a reason. What is the reason? You refuse to give even the simplest facts of where you were with your son before he went missing. It is day twelve." According to the CNN transcript, Duckett replied, "(INAUDIBLE) with all media. It's not just there, just all media. Period." Grace then moved on to a media psychologist who asserted that Duckett was "skirting around the issue.

The next day, before the airing of the show, Duckett shot herself, a death that relatives claim was influenced by media scrutiny, particularly from Grace

In the Anthony case, I don't believe that LE made George, Lee, or Cindy an Agent for them. They were trying to find a missing child and would go to any length to do so. What is wrong with that? IMHO I think Baez's feelings are hurt because LE tried to go around them. I say kudos to LE, they wanted to find Caylee, pure and simple.

MOO

Mel

ITA...they even have her saying that she was the one with all the answers.....that is why there is so much attention--its the defense and that ica didn't report her own child missing, didn't help LE--fed them lies and all the while trying to feign that she was worried or that Caylee was being harmed...can't forget that one little letter to Robin Adams where she stated that she didn't mind "zanni" not stepping in --- after all the media attention...Totally blows me out of the water...People have put more effort into finding a missing pet than ica did....:banghead:

 

[ebedeeb]

It's 7:25 AM here, may I have your permission...

:floorlaugh:

Hugs!

permission granted...Ill even join you with some kahlua in my coffee...

 

[redkatrampant]

Oh Em GEeee. I overslept. ( hubs is off today) I have coffee and and a huge headache. Anybody drinking yet?? LOL

 

[Intermezzo]

JP warned everyone yesterday that they better not be making any gestures etc., I hope JP says something to GA if he keeps this up.

Isn't that George's lawyer seated next to Him...He better remind his client about courtroom decorum.

 

[Turnadot]

My take is the miranda rights is not as big of a issue as the fact that they put her in handcuffs AND no miranda rights were read. I think if there was no handcuffing...there would not have been an issue and they could continue to use whatever means to find Caylee even if she was a suspect.

LE can handcuff and arrest someone and even put them in jail without a Miranda Warning. KC was not arrested; she was detained. There's a marked difference which Baez seems to gloss over. I'm happy that LDB did not.

 

[LancelotLink]

For those wondering if PI is getting paid for being in court.

Examples of Services:
An investigator/mitigation specialist may bill for:

Interviewing and locating witnesses
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Locating documents
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Performing background checks
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Researching factual issues
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Service of process
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An investigator/mitigation specialist may not bill for:
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Picking up discovery from the state attorney
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Copying documents from the court file
��
Delivering materials to the defendant
��
Any administrative tasks such as work of a paralegal or secretarial nature
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JAC does not provide reimbursement for clerk of court charges for documents provided to an indigent defendant. (link to Frequently asked Questions # 39)


http://www.justiceadmin.org/faq/Training%20Modules/InvestBilling1.pdf

So, he's waiting to serve someone, I guess. And will bill JAC for every hour he sits there waiting.

 

[Intermezzo]

He is an investigator. The JAC turned down $$ to pay for meetings he attended already stating that the time was excessive. He may submit for certain time at the courthouse....such as stalking a witness etc....but he can not submit for his babysitting duties.

Not even bodyguard duties...:floorlaugh:

 

[LyndyLoo]

Ohhh..Someone asked a page or two back if the Judge can eject someone from the courtroom for certain behaviors..Answer..Yes he can, after he has already admonished the whole courtroom that certain behaviors in HIS courtroom will end up having them ejected...Specificall, Judge Perry instructed that there was to be NO shaking of heads, facial expressions denoting agreement or disagreements...body language that would denote emotion against or for a witness etc.....I do believe Judge is giving George some leeway///as On future (trial) He and Cindy will NOT be allowed in the Courtroom until after they testify...also there would be a jury who could be influenced by such body language, expressions or verbage....Dont believe the "A"'s could control themselves at all..much as they couldnt during the finding whereablouts of Caylee Marie:crazy:

 

[Lanie]

Even though this is 'just' a hearing, IMO if GA keeps up the facial expressions and head shaking, HHJP will eject him from the courtroom.

For those not able to watch, it's MOO, while HHJP is still maintaining a professional air, he is also done with the behavior going on in the courtroom. He made it clear he was irritated with the delay so Casey could get dressed, he basically did the WFTV's attorney's job for him in determining KB was not needed to be a witness, IMO to cut Baez short and keep this motion from going on all day, he allowed the 5 minute recess Baez asked for, but made it a point to state he was calling a recess very shortly, and seemed irritated, and he actually had papers on his bench that he picked up and kind of waved around, stating he had the rules of decorum for courtroom behavior right there if anyone needed to refresh their memories. IMO, today he is not the easy-going, trying to have patience with ineptitude Judge I have seen in hearings past.

 

[gamom]

I noticed it looked like CM would be questioning CA. I think that is a great call by the defense, since you can obviously feel the tension between her and JB. Plus CM will better lead CA since CA kind of rambles and proves the AA theory better.

 

[Lera213]

Why would GA be upset this motion is to get everything he said stricken right? Didn't he say this is always about Caylee? Agent for Caylee? NOPE doesn't appear to be.

This is what it is folks...GA, CA do not want to be part of ICA being convicted period. So the only way to get out of it is to LIE. Man oh Man!

I love my kids, but NO way I could do that, how can they sleep at night?

 

[LolaMoon08]

Isn't that George's lawyer seated next to Him...He better remind his client about courtroom decorum.

When has any attorney that has worked for the Anthony family controlled their client? Remember... they are the "bosses." :floorlaugh:

 

[jennyb]

Occurs to me that LDB entered an audio tape into the proceedings yesterday morning. Bet it was the call to John Allen.

I BET YOU JB delayed calling Cindy to the stand because he wanted her to go over that tape, word by word, and find ways to obfuscate her words.

She's going to be very very prepared. Not that it will work. But she's had time to practice. Poor dear, she hasn't eaten, slept, yadda yadda.

 

[snowshuze]

Isn't that George's lawyer seated next to Him...He better remind his client about courtroom decorum.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh. I bet he would LOVE to get out of there.

 

[Solace]

Ohhh..Someone asked a page or two back if the Judge can eject someone from the courtroom for certain behaviors..Answer..Yes he can, after he has already admonished the whole courtroom that certain behaviors in HIS courtroom will end up having them ejected...Specificall, Judge Perry instructed that there was to be NO shaking of heads, facial expressions denoting agreement or disagreements...body language that would denote emotion against or for a witness etc.....I do believe Judge is giving George some leeway///as On future (trial) He and Cindy will NOT be allowed in the Courtroom until after they testify...also there would be a jury who could be influenced by such body language, expressions or verbage....Dont believe the "A"'s could control themselves at all..much as they couldnt during the finding whereablouts of Caylee Marie:crazy:

Perry said this, this morning? Well I just saw George shake his head re Allen's testimony. Interesting how George takes umbrage when he feels someone is lying. But we are to sit here and watch him lie to the media and anyone else who will listen about how he feels his daughter is innocent.

I understand he is trying to save her. But I feel he would do a whole lot better in that stance if he admitted that he and Cindy dropped the ball on keeping KC in check when she first exhibited sociopathic signs. This would go a long way towards saving her from the death penalty. IMO

 

[Novice Seeker]

True...but then it goes on and on, and DH comes home from work and I rush into the kitchen and be "busy" with dinner, lol.

I just know I'm going to have zillions of crock pot recipes come May 9.

Cold cuts and chips are acceptable! N n


Novice Seeker

 

[jennyb]

Isn't that George's lawyer seated next to Him...He better remind his client about courtroom decorum.

He lawyer isn't helping him much. Either George won't listen or the attorney is completely ineffectual. It's making the A attorneys look weak. I think they should quit. hehe.

 

[Melanie]

My take is the miranda rights is not as big of a issue as the fact that they put her in handcuffs AND no miranda rights were read. I think if there was no handcuffing...there would not have been an issue and they could continue to use whatever means to find Caylee even if she was a suspect.

True. I'm still trying to determine if the handcuffing was actually an arrest or a detention. So many different opinions on this -- ie, was it done for the officers safety, was the responding officer arresting her on auto theft credit card charges? Was she really arrested?

I know CA will say on the stand, ICA was in the back of that caged patrol car, alone, and handcuffed for hours (exaggerating of course), but I don't know if HJP will bite on this motion.

We'll see....

Mel