Amy Winehouse dead at 27

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Just fyi, we have had patients who've had so much to drink, for so long, that they've had alcohol brought to them in the hospital...when the risk of convulsions outweigh the risks of alcohol, you do what you have to do to keep the patient alive.

It is not inconceivable - not nearly - that even if she'd had a small/reduced amount of alcohol in her system that she convulsed, or had systemic respiratory depression, or some other effect of either wd (which happens once you stop the peak of ingestion, and can last upwards of 5 days), or active drinking.

I must say I am glad that there were no illegal drugs in her system. My guess is still with WD and/or prescription and alcho combined.

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Herding Cats said:
Just fyi, we have had patients who've had so much to drink, for so long, that they've had alcohol brought to them in the hospital...when the risk of convulsions outweigh the risks of alcohol, you do what you have to do to keep the patient alive.

It is not inconceivable - not nearly - that even if she'd had a small/reduced amount of alcohol in her system that she convulsed, or had systemic respiratory depression, or some other effect of either wd (which happens once you stop the peak of ingestion, and can last upwards of 5 days), or active drinking.

I must say I am glad that there were no illegal drugs in her system. My guess is still with WD and/or prescription and alcho combined.

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When my uncle was in the hospital for a long period of time due to Cirrhosis they had to bring in his Beer because that's what his body was used to. He drinks beer with his Sausage Biscuit in the morning and continues til he goes to bed. He's been doing that for about 50 years now. The doctors told us that if they didn't bring the beer in, he would die.
 
southcitymom said:
Also, she was such a tiny little thing and years of chemical abuse had probably put a major strain on her body systems...even if no illegal drugs were found, I don't think I could ever believe that her drug abuse didn't contribute to her death in some form or fashion.
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She just wore her body out. She was very tiny.

Although in no way similiar were the causes of death this reminds me of Karen Carpenter, she died too because her body just wore out with Anorexia over the years.
 
southcitymom said:
Not yet....if she were drinking white wine all day long for some time (as one of her close friends said - that she had replaced street drugs with white wine) and then severely CUT her intake of white wine, she could have indeed died from alcohol withdrawal. More information is still needed.

It's great that she had no illegal drugs in her system, but frankly legal, doc-prescribed drugs can be AS if not MORE dangerous than certain street drugs. For example, she could have mixed therapeutic, doctor-sanctioned amounts of opiates, benzos and sleep meds with alcohol and that could have caused an OD.

Rest in peace, Amy.
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She had alcohol in her system. I don't think that qualifies as withdrawal. We also don't have any evidence that intake was severely cut since the concentration of alcohol in her system was not released. I am curious as to what concentration it was.
 
jjenny said:
She had alcohol in her system. I don't think that qualifies as withdrawal. We also don't have any evidence that intake was severely cut since the concentration of alcohol in her system was not released. I am curious as to what concentration it was.
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As I stated in an earlier post, my father went down with a grand mal seizure when he had a BAC of .34 (or .43....forget which number, but it was one of those) - he had the seizure because he didn't have ENOUGH alcohol in his system, which was used to a much higher level. He was in dangerous, life-threatening withdrawal even though A LOT of alcohol was present in his body.

Today, my father is fine and not drinking like that.

You may be absolutely correct that alcohol withdrawal did not contribute to Amy's death, but we don't enough information to rule it out.

Even with this new soundbite/factoid - "no illegal drugs found in her system" - they cannot determine cause of death at this point. And neither, of course, can we.
 
Nice tribute to Amy last night. Appropriate - not too long - Tony Bennett had wonderful things to say about her as an artist. I'm glad they did it right.
 
ziggy said:
Nice tribute to Amy last night. Appropriate - not too long - Tony Bennett had wonderful things to say about her as an artist. I'm glad they did it right.
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Made me cry.
 
I purchased a Back In Black CD Saturday simply because I love her style in her music.
It came with the lyrics and I just have to say that I feel so bad for Amy, I believe her songs where how she saw her life. Truthfully it made me feel like crying. I think she was such a lonely tortured soul. I wish she had thought more of herself and I have to wonder why she felt she didn't deserve anything good. (I realize drugs could have caused her to have these feelings) but what was she like before drugs and drink? Gosh I wish she had a second chance to be happy here on this earth. I guess I have to believe that she is in a better place now I truely hope that she does rest in peace.
 
There is also the theory that Amy did in fact have emphysema and her lungs were working at the 70 percent capacity and an irregular heartbeat. All of this caused by her drug addiction.

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On 23 June 2008, Winehouse's publicist corrected earlier misstatements by Mitch Winehouse that his daughter had early stage emphysema, instead claiming she had signs of what could lead to early-stage emphysema.[210] Mitch Winehouse had also stated that his daughter's lungs were operating at 70 percent capacity and that she had an irregular heartbeat. Mitch Winehouse said that these problems had been caused by her chain smoking and crack cocaine use. The singer&#8217;s father also reported that doctors had warned Winehouse that, if she continued smoking crack cocaine, she would have to wear an oxygen mask and would eventually die.[211] In a radio interview, Mitch Winehouse said the singer was responding "fabulously" to treatment, which included being covered with nicotine patches.[212] British Lung Foundation spokesman Keith Prowse noted this type of condition could be managed with treatment. Prowse also said the condition was not normal for a person her age but "heavy smoking and inhaling other substances like drugs can age the lungs prematurely".[213] Norman H. Edelman of the American Lung Association explained that if she stopped smoking, her lung functions would decline at the rate of a normal person, but continued smoking would lead to a more rapid decline in lung function.[214] Photographs of the singer with a cigarette in her mouth, taken 23 June 2008, were widely published.[215]
 
Did they have a FULL autopsy? it may have been something so under the radar and brought about BY her partying ways....
Or, allergic reaction? Bee sting? (anyphalactic (sp) shock) etc.....
I think (MOO) the ME just "assumed" something and they really didn't do the analysis that they should have... again MOO
 
southcitymom said:
According to Amy's Dad, she had Librium (prescribed) in her system:

http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/09/amy-w...-video-new-talk-show/?adid=hero4#.TmugiOtEBhE

He thinks she may have died from alcohol withdrawal too. Librium is commonly prescribed by MDs to keep detoxing alcoholics from having seizures, so it sounds like Amy's doctors (the ones of prescribed it) were concerned about this possibility as well.
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She had alcohol in her system (and I believe we still don't know how much). So she wasn't exactly withdrawn from alcohol.
 
jjenny said:
She had alcohol in her system (and I believe we still don't know how much). So she wasn't exactly withdrawn from alcohol.
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I have noted that you're not sure of the whole w/d thing...and I know it's a weird concept...

But with ETOH W/D, any amount LESS than the body is habituated to, is considered withdrawl. If you're used to drinking 2 pints of gin a day (example), anything less than drinking 2 pints of gin can send you into w/d. Even if you drink 2 pints of wine, you can still go into w/d, simply because the body becomes used to operating under the gin, and 'needs' it to function properly.

We were taught that the moment your BAC goes lower than you've habituated it to, and/or a different type of ETOH (e.g. grain alcohol v. fruit alcohol), you are at risk of w/d.

W/D does not always mean seizures, but if you've had one, you will have them again. It doesn't always mean DTs (delirium tremens), but again, if you have them once, you will always have them.

And the headache a hangover brings? That's w/d, in it's most mildest form.

It's a strange concept, like I said. But the body just can't handle an abrupt decrease of alcohol consumption easily. In school, I recall, we were horrified that there had been the use of an alcohol drip directly into someone's system during emergency surgery (happened to one of our instructors), and discussed this phenomena at length that day...they used it because they just could not risk a seizure during an emergency surgery.

I also think that she may have had arrythmias due to her reduced body fat; she was anorexic, to be sure, as well as alcoholic and had reduced lung function. A heart arrythmia can happen because of imbalanced electrolytes, low oxygen, and/or any other combination (drugs, illegal and legal). Alcohol can intensify this effect, too.

Again, I know it's a strange weirdness of the body, but it's medical fact, not fiction, that the body habituates to a certain level of drugs, alcohol included, and lessening them can start a withdrawl process that is, quite literally, life-threatening.

Hope this helps...

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http://omg.yahoo.com/news/coroner-amy-winehouse-died-too-much-alcohol-123334324.html

Coroner Suzanne Greenaway gave a verdict of "death by misadventure," saying the singer died of accidental alcohol poisoning. "The unintended consequence of such potentially fatal levels (of alcohol) was her sudden and unexpected death," Greenaway said.
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Pathologist Suhail Baithun told the inquest into the singer's death that Winehouse had consumed a "very large quantity of alcohol" &#8212; the level in her blood put her more than five times over the legal drunk-driving limit.
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Wow! 5 times over the legal limit AND taking librium?
 
"Death by misadventure" unfortunately sums up Amy's benighted career.
 
I still feel horrible about Amy's death. I wish we could go back in time to save her and hope that she would have had a wonderful life. Rest in Peace Amy.
 
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