Season 3 - Episode 5 - Title "Seven Seconds" - 6 y/o victim is Katie Jacobs (fictional of course)
Agatha_C,
Thanks for that.
I'll look out for that here in the UK or the usual places online!
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Season 3 - Episode 5 - Title "Seven Seconds" - 6 y/o victim is Katie Jacobs (fictional of course)
Nope, i don't think they had anything to do with JB's death.
LE has already cleared them, no DNA found and yet people still think they had something to do with her death.
I think it is possible that they know who did kill JB.
Still thinking about this case. I have always thought the Ramseys were involved with the death and attempted cover up of the death of Jonbenet. That was my vote. As time goes by it becomes more and more clear to me how "involved" John and Patsy Ramsey were. Right now it seems to me that JonBenet was being molested by John and even if Patsy didn't "know" about it she knew. (I believe she was molested in her childhood also) John saying JonBenet was asleep when they got home and Burke saying she was awake...Burke was the child and probably telling the truth plus the pineapple equals JonBenet was awake when they got home. My theory is John was molesting JonBenet that night, and I do feel the death was accidental but they knew they could not take her to the hospital. I am thinking maybe Patsy did walk in on the event and lashed out, or lashed out later(?) I have read some say it was the flashlight that caused the head wound and that makes me think that is why they left it out to be seen and found. Like the pineapple, they left some things the way they (were)/happened as part of the plan. As in the police saying, "we found the murder weapon the intruder used" that the other things they did so pointed away from them they could leave actual items from the crime to be found.
I have thoughts that go on from there but that is where this new information comes in, I had been thinking the above...
I was reading a website that brought up the fact that the ransom note had the phrase about "getting rest." It has been said many times on many websites, WS included that it is hinky that kidnapper/terrorists would be concerned with the Ramsey's getting enough rest. But, what this site was saying was that it "proves" the Ramseys were up that night.
If the kidnappers/terrorists/intruder were in the Ramsey's home that night they would have KNOWN they were sleeping. They would not have told them to get rest. That part was put in by John and Patsy because they knew they had been up all night. And, that makes a lot of sense to me.
My alternative theory right now re: the Ramseys being involved: Burke and JonBenet were playing in his room and he hit her on the head with the flashlight. John(or other family members)had been molesting JonBenet and so they could not take her to the hospital.
So basically, she was killed by accident and was not saved because of the incest in the family. I welcome any information in response as it helps me see where I do not have something right. If you know what I mean. If it seems I have gotten most of my theories from others, you are correct. :blushing:
Big flaw I don't mind being schooled on: why then the garrot(sp?), why the staging of the neck wound...oh, wait...the (accidental) blow did not kill her so they finished the job? That seems horrible but if they were on a time line...the plane is leaving in the morning...I don't know about that one.
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Why would a kidnapper kill his victim, abandon her in the owners house, yet author a ransom note? Even the kidnapper would only do this to avoid the victim naming him?
It is difficult to understand, assuming PDI, why Patsy did not rush JonBenet right to hospital, if there was some kind of accident. She did once before when Burke accidentally whacked JonBenet with a golf-club.
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This time was VERY different. This time, she fell unconscious immediately, possibly having seizures or lapsing into a coma. Shock may have occurred with a drop in body temperature and respiration- to an untrained person, she may have appeared dead. There was NO visible indication she had even been hit- just a crumpled little girl, unconscious on the floor, who had been molested with enough force to make her bleed, and screamed loud enough to be heard across the street.
Calling 911- what would they say? How would explain that she was comatose? Explain what let to that type of injury? And the vaginal injury? There is simply NO innocent explanation for how something caused bruising, bleeding in the vagina of a child. There was NO way they could call 911 that night. Not without the hospital calling police when JB was examined/pronounced dead.
When BR hit her with the golf club, she wasn't knocked out, she likely just bled. Stitches were needed, that's all.
why not call 911 and say the intruder came in, raped and killed her , they just had to clean up a bit in case of finger prints,DNA, etc,,,,there was no need of ramson note, etc,,,etc,,,????
why not call 911 and say the intruder came in, raped and killed her , they just had to clean up a bit in case of finger prints,DNA, etc,,,,there was no need of ramson note, etc,,,etc,,,????
I was watching Criminal Minds, and the scenario that occurred reminded me so much of an RDI theory. In the show, a woman attempted to murder her 6-year-old niece because her husband was molesting her and she blamed the girl for problems in the marriage. They showed how the girl was wetting the bed and drew all over her Barbie doll's face because that's how she saw herself. They also insinuated that the 13-year-old son of the killer could have been involved, or at least knew something. Also, they referenced Polly Klaas and Danielle Van Dam in the episode, so maybe the writers were doing some research on high-profile cases.
...And another reason I think it might not have been a coincidence that the theory reminded me so much of RDI is there was a reference to JonBenet's case during the episode that aired a week earlier.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/apr/22/forensic-pathologist-revisits-high-profile-cases/
Sunday, April 22, 2012
Forensic pathologist revisits high-profile cases
"Among the guilty he believes are still walking free? Casey Anthony and John Ramsey, for starters."
"In Ramsey's case, Wecht said he thinks the 6-year-old's death was accidental but still at the hands of her father.
There was evidence of ongoing sexual abuse, he said. And he doubts the story that an intruder got into their home unnoticed, wrote a ransom note and abused and killed the girl, hiding her in a secret room that police didn't notice, Wecht said. "
Tadpole12,
What a foolish man, has he not read his bible? Minority opinions are not statistically relevant according to JR's business nous.
So we now have two experts, e.g. Wecht and Meyers, who have had access to the crime-scene evidence stating that there was sexual abuse.
How does that fit in with a PDI based on punishment, or bedwetting?
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Well, one scenario: that night, JR was molesting JB either in JB's bedroom or in another area of the house. When Patsy couldn't sleep that night and woke up to find her husband not in bed, she suspected what she had been starting to know more consciously, and grabbed a flashlight to "find" them. When she did the image was more than she could handle or be prepared for, and she snapped and knocked JB over the head with it (we know she was impulsive based on, to give just one example, her bizarre calling-in to the Larry King show post Diana's death).
I've always felt like the flashlight, having been wiped down, is the most likely assault tool in the house. And it makes sense that Patsy could snap after catching her husband and daughter in the act.
...Why should Patsy then assist in a coverup, why not dial 911, blame the abuser and claim involuntary homicide or its equivalent?
Most juries would sympathise with Patsy, in these circumstances, so I reckon there was more going on?
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Well, one scenario: that night, JR was molesting JB either in JB's bedroom or in another area of the house. When Patsy couldn't sleep that night and woke up to find her husband not in bed, she suspected what she had been starting to know more consciously, and grabbed a flashlight to "find" them. When she did the image was more than she could handle or be prepared for, and she snapped and knocked JB over the head with it (we know she was impulsive based on, to give just one example, her bizarre calling-in to the Larry King show post Diana's death).
I've always felt like the flashlight, having been wiped down, is the most likely assault tool in the house. And it makes sense that Patsy could snap after catching her husband and daughter in the act.
This is one scenario I just don't see. Not the part about JR molesting his daughter but the part about Patsy bashing JB instead of her husband. I can't see this at all. While some feel that it explains why neither parent turned on the other (because they each had something they were guilty of), I don't see Patsy as having gone to bed at all that night and I don't see JR molesting JB while his wife was up puttering around getting ready for their trip.
I agree. IIRC, the police never were able to ask John if at some point he woke up and Patsy was not in the bed. Well, this and a zillion more questions. I think the truth is that JR knows Patsy was not in bed all night and thats why the police were not permitted to ask that. I still go back to the Burke interview where he said lights were being turned off and on and the house creaked all night.
And of course Patsy in the same clothes. I just cant see a woman like Patsy doing her hair and makeup that morning (IIRC) then putting on clothes from the night before. It did occur to me though that with all the packing going on for the various trips, it is possible she did. So I dunno about that. But given all I know about her, I would think she knew to leave something out to wear the day they left for the trip.
What about the possibility that JR was not abusing JB that NIGHT but that night Patsy flipped out and for whatever reason hit JB over the head (maybe shortly after the pineapple snack).
Let's say JR was in bed... at what point do you think PR engaged JR in the cover up?
IS IT AT ALL POSSIBLE that PR staged everything herself and "played dumb" and she and JR never discussed this -- that he "figured it out" but "played along" as it were...?
This seems UNLIKELY but is there anything that makes it IMPOSSIBLE?
I have always wondered if perhaps JR really did take a melatonin, sleep through the night, and only start to sense something strange was going on when he read that ransom note...