Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #9

[SnooperDuper]

Sure, if they were moving it ⅛ of an ounce at a time, which would equate to much more work, but also much more profit. At $2500-$3000, like CJPrincess said, you'd be looking at unloading 16 ounces at $150-$200 each...not that much "work" at all IMO

Go find people that want to buy an ounce at a time first, then tell me how easy it is. Petty DEALERS buy ounces. It's a huge quantity for an individual to buy for personal use.

(Perspective, BD testified he was smoking a couple of grams a day as a heavy user with MS...and so a 28g ounce would keep him for 2 full weeks, IF he could come up with the money to buy that much at once.)

Also you cannot unload pot at cut prices without having the neighbourhood dealers calling LE on you because they don't like their profits cut. An oz would be $220-240 retail.

 

[Sphinx]

Good point! His gang definitely seemed to trust him. Millard knew how to manipulate people.

I think they really liked the drugs, the extravagant parties with drugs, and probably access to girls too ( female escorts like LB ? and other female or even male party guests). Also there was the excitement of knowing someone who was a multimillionaire with his own mechanic, his own hangar, and farm, plus lots of toys. No doubt they also enjoyed the thrill of the late night " missions" , and probably shared in some stolen property from time to time. These people were around DM, obeying his commands because they were benefiting, and they thought they would not get caught because this gang was so successful. Crime does pay, for a time, until someone gets caught, or is indiscreet, and talks.

IMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I think they really liked the drugs, the extravagant parties with drugs, and probably access to girls too ( female escorts like LB ? and other female or even male party guests). Also there was the excitement of knowing someone who was a multimillionaire with his own mechanic, his own hangar, and farm, plus lots of toys. No doubt they also enjoyed the thrill of the late night " missions" , and probably shared in some stolen property from time to time. These people were around DM, obeying his commands because they were benefiting, and they thought they would not get caught because this gang was so successful. Crime does pay, for a time, until someone gets caught, or is indiscreet, and talks.

IMO

That's right, they were a gang, and their secrets were kept safe through the privacy of Millard's many properties and the friendship between them. They were all into it, to varying degrees, until the **** hit the fan.

 

[Sphinx]

If MS had 1 lb, that is 128 street-sized servings of 1/8 oz (3.5g) and that is a lot of dope. (That was the pot he hoped so sell for a lawyer)

MH said DM had "narcotics", which are opiods like percs (percocet) oxys (oxycontin) and so on. But obviously he also had weed, in the backpack. 10 lbs would not fit in a backpack: too bulky.


RCMP street drug prices:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/28242613/RCMP-street-price-list-for-illicit-drugs-in-Toronto

Thank you for the RCMP link to street prices for drugs. It seems that a pound or more, and it was likely more in a full backpack, would have been more than enough for a retainer fee for a good lawyer. It would be interesting to know just how TD is being payed, and where the money came from. I think TD is too smart to be involved with drugs or drug money. IMO

 

[Ironworker736]

Go find people that want to buy an ounce at a time first, then tell me how easy it is. Petty DEALERS buy ounces. It's a huge quantity for an individual to buy for personal use.

(Perspective, BD testified he was smoking a couple of grams a day as a heavy user with MS...and so a 28g ounce would keep him for 2 full weeks, IF he could come up with the money to buy that much at once.)

Also you cannot unload pot at cut prices without having the neighbourhood dealers calling LE on you because they don't like their profits cut. An oz would be $220-240 retail.

Maybe you buy dime bags like the kids do. That's fine. Personally, I don't know anyone who buys less than a half O at a time, usually a full O. And do you think it's that much of a stretch that a "heavy user" would buy a 2-week supply at one transaction? Who goes to there dealer EVERY DAY to pick up? Sounds a little funny to me, but maybe some people prefer that way of doing "business". All MOO

ETA - the testimony was that he SMOKED every day, not BOUGHT every day

 

[Sphinx]

I agree. I was thinking maybe MS killed TB and that wasn't in the plan which made DM mad. I remember him saying in an article "How did it get to this point?" (not direct quote) It was a mission gone bad. So in panic they'd do what they do on TV and think they must get rid of the evidence. If DM was truly innocent, he wouldn't have done that. He would have called 911 and said he was test driving this truck and his buddy pulled a gun and shot the owner. IMO.

You could be right, but I think MS had a lot on DM too, especially if he helped with the LB murder, and knew about how WM died. DM may not have wanted to go to the police and open that can of worms. He may have thought it would be better to do a good job of framing MS. It does not make too much difference though, because they are both guilty of first degree murder, and probably more than once.

IMO

 

[matou]

Can't wait to hear the bull pucky that comes from michalski.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Maybe you buy dime bags like the kids do. That's fine. Personally, I don't know anyone who buys less than a half O at a time, usually a full O. And do you think it's that much of a stretch that a "heavy user" would buy a 2-week supply at one transaction? Who goes to there dealer EVERY DAY to pick up? Sounds a little funny to me, but maybe some people prefer that way of doing "business". All MOO

ETA - the testimony was that he SMOKED every day, not BOUGHT every day

BD was at his dealer's every single day. Why would he not go for the installment plan and pay every couple of days, rather than pay for two weeks and show up there for no reason?

See large quantities, you don't see your customers for 2 weeks. You make less profit. You can't lean on them to buy more all of a sudden, because they are satisfied.

It makes more sense to sell small quantities (more profit) and maintain good customer relationships.

 

[brightii]

I spent the day at the trial yesterday and was able to form my own views and opinions of MH's testimony. IMO he was only telling the truth to the extent that he had to, and the rest was vague answers and lies shrouded by his poor memory and weak emotional state:

• He held firm to his position that he never considered whether the toolbox contained anything other than drugs, even though any rational person in his situation would have been more suspicious.
• He claimed that the contents of the box never crossed his mind, even though he admitted to asking DM about it. He "just assumed it was drugs."
• He claimed that he and Michalski never discussed the contents of the toolbox and backpack, even though they met in a park to discuss what to do with those items.
• He cried that he was in shock over his friend's arrest, and kept reverting back to lines like "I made some stupid decisions" and "I just wanted nothing to do with the toolbox", and "I wanted to protect myself and my family."

IMO, MH is a weak individual who maintains a highly selective memory of the events of this case because he is unwilling to own up to his actions and just tell the truth. I find it awfully difficult to feel sorry for him. JMO.

billandrew :loveyou: and :tyou: for your post!! It helps to restore my trust in my own instincts, my ability to analyze the evidence I'm hearing (reading), and my assessments of witness credibility.

All MOO.

 

[Ironworker736]

BD was at his dealer's every single day. Why would he not go for the installment plan and pay every couple of days, rather than pay for two weeks and show up there for no reason?

See large quantities, you don't see your customers for 2 weeks. You can't lean on them to buy more all of a sudden, because they are satisfied.

He testified that they were "best friends", in case you missed it. And do drug dealers REALLY want to see each of their customers EVERY DAY? I think not. MOO

 

[andreww]

So just to be clear, is the 1 LB that was found at Smich's the same weed that was supposedly in the backpack?

 

[puppyraiser]

What would make MH tell Crime Stoppers about the farm? Perhaps DM did tell him more than he let on during testimony. The grab and go thefts had the gang returning to the hangar.

Interesting tweet from ABro
Ann Brocklehurst ‏@AnnB03 11m11 minutes ago

For the record, Tom Dungey accused Matt Hagerman of still not coming clean in his 4th, final police intvu: MH failed to mention Bobcat heist


There is more this guy knows than he's letting on. Those tears were because the country now knows what a liar and thief he is IMO

 

[Errrr]

Thank you for the RCMP link to street prices for drugs. It seems that a pound or more, and it was likely more in a full backpack, would have been more than enough for a retainer fee for a good lawyer. It would be interesting to know just how TD is being payed, and where the money came from. I think TD is too smart to be involved with drugs or drug money. IMO

I wonder how many lawyers would be confiscated from their clients as the "proceeds of crime"?

 

[Ironworker736]

So just to be clear, is the 1 LB that was found at Smich's the same weed that was supposedly in the backpack?

I don't think that we've heard that ANY weed was found. If you have a link, please post. IIRC it was TD that started the whole weed thing rolling.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Maybe you buy dime bags like the kids do. That's fine. Personally, I don't know anyone who buys less than a half O at a time, usually a full O. And do you think it's that much of a stretch that a "heavy user" would buy a 2-week supply at one transaction? Who goes to there dealer EVERY DAY to pick up? Sounds a little funny to me, but maybe some people prefer that way of doing "business". All MOO

ETA - the testimony was that he SMOKED every day, not BOUGHT every day

The other question is, why would a pot enthusiast want to smoke harsh, two-week-old, dried-out weed on a regular basis? Fresh is best.

 

[Ironworker736]

The other question is, why would a pot enthusiast want to smoke harsh, two-week-old, dried-out weed on a regular basis? Fresh is best.

Wow, I really had to lol at that one. Sorry.

ETA - Enlighten me...what does ⅛ of an ounce cost?

 

[SnooperDuper]

So just to be clear, is the 1 LB that was found at Smich's the same weed that was supposedly in the backpack?

Good question. BD reported MS had the weed an the gun at the same time. That could have been DM's weed.

 

[mozzagirl]

Sorry I haven't caught up on this thread yet but I just had a thought.

The night of the 9th when DM was trying to get ahold of MH, he used CN's phone not his own. We know he had a phone so why was he using hers all night to keep in touch with MH? I am surprised TD didn't question MH about this.

Pillay made a huge thing about how MS stopped using his phone at a certain point to try "go underground" and only used others. So that makes me a little surprised that TD didn't highlight yesterday that DM did the exact same thing. Do we know if DM used his own phone at all on the 10th?

 

[SnooperDuper]

He testified that they were "best friends", in case you missed it. And do drug dealers REALLY want to see each of their customers EVERY DAY? I think not. MOO

Many people's drug dealers are their "best friends", until they move on from the lifestyle. Sure, people hate to smoke alone. A petty dealer will buy an ounce, spend the day delivering eights, and have a draw with each one of their "best friends" to satisfy their own addiction without cost. Then maybe pull 1/2g as a delivery fee, or add on $5, each time.

That's a small-time dealer for you. Having a pound of weed around is not the mark of a small player. Lots of "best friends", people around all the time.

 

[Ironworker736]

Many people's drug dealers are their "best friends", until they move on from the lifestyle. Sure, people hate to smoke alone. A petty dealer will buy an ounce, spend the day delivering eights, and have a draw with each one of their "best friends" to satisfy their own addiction without cost. Then maybe pull 1/2g as a delivery fee, or add on $5, each time.

That's a small-time dealer for you. Having a pound of weed around is not the mark of a small player. Lots of "best friends", people around all the time.

You seem to be contradicting your own argument here. First you make all these points about small-time dealers and equate MS as being such, then you note that it was a pound he had and that that would be the mark of someone who is not small-time. Please clarify, because I seem to be missing your point. Also, can you link some proof that there actually was any weed in that toolbox?