Brianna Denison 19yo Reno NV #8

[dimples37398]

Well maybe they invited some people back to the house after the concert for an after party, maybe both pairs of UW are from the after concert get together at the mckay house???

I don't know first hand how college houses or parties are but I have heard alot of stories.....if it is true what I heard, then maybe a couple of the people that came over had some alone time together and they couldnt find their underwear to put back on, after the deed or they were just to drunk to care or remember.

Who knows maybe they were all so drunk they had a freaky deaky party going on there...it is a college house. In the beginning the girls from the house didn't seem to want to admit that they were drinking that night either. They probably wouldn't want to admit to anyone including LE that there were other people there and they were having a party, that could have included freaky deaky stuff.

All of this is just speculation and a wild guess, since there was nothing else released to talk about really........

 

[strach304]

Good point. No, they haven't said...but there are obviously 4 pair involved now. They could have Brianna's, true enough...but Victim #2's is still out there. (Is that better? LOL)

Well yeah, that's why I was asking because that would be a very important detail. Such as if he took her UW and how LE knew she was wearing any to begin with, etc. I just thought you knew something extremely important that I didn't.

 

[10EC_Dad]

Please excuse me if I seem anything but myself…nice, kind, well-spoken, and sensitive person. But something about this case has not washed with me since day one. I don't know if it's how cavalier K.T. was the morning of…

Or if it's Jessica laying really low so much that we haven't heard a word from her. But guys, something is not right when there is a dog in the house; an intruder (I read recently where K.T. couldn't remember if the front door was locked or unlocked when they went to sleep) that no one hears? Ahem…..

Leviosa

S.S. newshound, 10EC Dad, the lot...Simply magnificant!

Some things have seemed odd about KT's behavior. I have considered that she did not want to own up to the level of partying.

It might be possible that someone at the apartment is involved, but consider that this case is linked to other cases. I don't see being guilty of other cases and then being involved in an attack in your apartment.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Another thought is that maybe Brianna wasn't wearing UW when abducted. Not uncommon especially with the description of the clothes she was last seen wearing.

Maybe we need to take a poll of college age women who sleep "commando style" wearing sweat pants on a friend's sofa. I just don't see it personally, but it could happen.

 

[10EC_Dad]

I've only seen the term "pink panties" used to describe the underwear that was found with the PP undies.

Thanks Ca-Sun, I am just trying to keep the facts and sift out the unintentional misinformation.

 

[newshound81]

Just one last thing…big party weekend, right? I don't think Brianna 'borrowed' anyone's undies, much less an already worn pair. So let's do the math: how does 1 pair of panties contain 3 separate sets of DNA? This one is not rocket science; please, if you will look at the obvious rather than some person scoping out the house and stealing women's underwear. To me the obvious is…K.T. has relations with boy-toy; Boy-toy abducts Brianna and rapes her. That alone would justify 3 sets of DNA on one pair of undies. There are other scenarios as well.

Lev, that's what I was throwing out a couple posts back. Though I can't see a rapist having consensual sex.

But if we're really to think about it: he has a one night stand with KT, who brought him back from the casino/concert. Bri passes out on the couch while KT and the perp do their thing. Perp passes out with KT for a while, and then goes out to leave. Maybe he even has slipped her a date rape drug. Sees Brianna asleep and vulnerable and decides to attack her. No one sees anything suspicious because he was already in the house. That could explain why no one is coming forward with any sightings of a vehicle or a peeper.

 

[jennyjwv]

maybe bri wasn't wearing any uw - i know when i wear pajama pants i usually do not wear underwear w/them - she may have discarded them on the floor when changing for bed after comnig home from the party - especially if she was drunk - who's to say the perp wasn't already in the house either if the door was unlocked???

 

[less0305]

Sorry, I posted too slow and realized I repeated a lot of what other said.

I think that is very possible, Leila. But why would he not just strangle her with his hands? I don't get that. She was a tiny, tiny girl...it wouldn't have taken much to kill her. This creeps me the heck out.

The underwear was more than likely stuffed in her mouth at some point, is my guess, rather than being strangled with it.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

You may be right, but why would his DNA not be on the PP thong and be on the pink underware?

I think that would depend on where the PP thong and the underwear were in relation to each other during the commission of the assault or however their DNA came to be on the one pair. If the DNA was dry by the time the second pair was introduced by intertwining the two...it obviously didn't transfer.

 

[strach304]

Aren't you guys getting your underwear confused here? The pink ones who belonged to the resident had the killer and Brianna's dna on them. Now I would think if that girl had sex with someone she would tell LE who that was and in addition they'd be ruling out any males that were known to be in that house anyway. Makes more sense that he stole them from the house and then contributed his and Brianna's dna. No need for freaky, drunk or whatever sex to explain that angle.

The PP UW do not contain his or Brianna's dna. An unknown male and unknown female. The guy probably steals underwear.

We have no idea if Brianna's UW are missing anyway. Yes, young women do go commando. Britney Spears does publicly in a skirt no less. :crazy:

 

[strach304]

maybe bri wasn't wearing any uw - i know when i wear pajama pants i usually do not wear underwear w/them - she may have discarded them on the floor when changing for bed after comnig home from the party - especially if she was drunk - who's to say the perp wasn't already in the house either if the door was unlocked???

And what is your age group, may I ask? And are you in the habit of knowing your friends, etc, underwear wearing habits?

 

[Leila]

Sorry, I posted too slow and realized I repeated a lot of what other said.

I think that is very possible, Leila. But why would he not just strangle her with his hands? I don't get that. She was a tiny, tiny girl...it wouldn't have taken much to kill her. This creeps me the heck out.

I think the underwear excites the suspect. Even though he could have strangled her with his bare hands, the underwear provided him with the sexual excitement.

Remember..............we've got the two pairs of underwear at the scene of where Brianna's body was found. BUT, we've also got one of victims from a previous attack (probably the Dec. victim) missing her underwear too. Underwear plays an important role in this case.

 

[jennyjwv]

And what is your age group, may I ask? And are you in the habit of knowing your friends, etc, underwear wearing habits?

I am 31 - but have done that forever - it needs to breathe

 

[10EC_Dad]

I think that would depend on where the PP thong and the underwear were in relation to each other during the commission of the assault or however their DNA came to be on the one pair. If the DNA was dry by the time the second pair was introduced by entertwining the two...it obviously didn't transfer.

Please read your post that I was commenting on. You stated that the PP underware was from a previous victim (as many have suggested). My question relates to why his DNA is not on the PP underware if was from a previous victim. The reason I bring that up, is that his DNA is on the pink underware.

 

[mocity]

jennyjwv - that made me LOL!!!! Needs to breathe! HA

I do the same with PJ bottoms........... and I am 36

 

[lew657]

I am in my early 30s with a college age female cousin and nephew.... so I can attest that the a lot of them don't wear uw with sweats during the day and an even greater percentage don't at night.

 

[happy2bn10ec]

The underwear was more than likely stuffed in her mouth at some point, is my guess, rather than being strangled with it.

That makes sense to me.

 

[lew657]

then how did his DNA get on it? Remeber it isn't from handling them since it wasn't on the pp thong...

 

[Leila]

http://www.cityofreno.com/index.aspx?recordid=1334&page=1421

Here is the link to the Reno site with the official LE release.

SS, I wonder if that reporter was mistaken that indicated both pieces of underware came from that apartment. I did not see that stated on two other news sites nor this link above.

There's nothing in the official LE statement that indicates that the black pink panther underwear also came from the MacKay Court house.

I think some of the news media is making errors in their reporting which is also adding to the confusion.

We've got:

#1 a pair of black pink panther underwear found at the scene where Brianna's body was found. The underwear has the DNA of an unknown female and unknown male on them. The original source of the underwear and the owner are unknown.

#2 a pair of pink underwear found intertwined with the black pink panther underwear at the scene where Brianna's body was found. The PINK underwear has the DNA of Brianna, the suspect, and one of the girls who lived at the MacKay Court house. The source of this underwear (the MacKay Court house) and the owner are known.

#3 a pair of underwear is missing from one of the previous attack victims - probably the December victim. This pair of underwear has not been found.

 

[Leila]

I think that is a media mistake.

I agree. It's easy to see that the various news reporting sources in Reno are even now mixing up the information on the two pairs of underwear and where the two pairs of underwear came from.