By Accident Or On Purpose Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey?

By Accident or on Purpose Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey?

  • An Intruder Killed JonBenet and Covered Up the Crime

    Votes: 38 7.1%
  • Patsy Ramsey Acted Alone in Killing JonBenet and Covering Up the Crime

    Votes: 23 4.3%
  • John Ramsey Acted Alone in Killing JonBenet and Covering Up the Crime

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • Burke Killed JonBenet with Patsy and John Helping to Cover Up the Crime

    Votes: 394 73.4%
  • John and Patsy Acted Together in Killing JonBenet and Covering Up the Crime

    Votes: 30 5.6%
  • Other/I Don't Know

    Votes: 48 8.9%

  • Total voters
    537
Seeing BR on tv as a 29 year old man, I have no problem thinking this was one troubled kid. Maybe the parents were able to control him better AFTER the death of JB cause they could hold it over his head.
I'm assuming he went to college and has some type of job now ???? I can't imagine him fitting in with his peers or actually doing a job, he's so childish and immature acting. Does he work for dad? Has he ever been on a date? had a girlfriend? is he gay?

Doesn't he work in some kind of IT job, but from home/remotely?

My random thoughts and questions after watching the CBS special and Dr. Phil:

I do not think this was a sex crime by an intruder at all. There would have been obvious evidence of a sex assault if one had occurred. There wasn't.

I was glad to see the experiment on the brand new pair of panties. Pretty interesting.

I think the Ramseys didn't think their house would be so thoroughly searched since there was the ransom note. They probably planned to have her be permanently "missing" and conduct some sort of private burial for her somewhere. But, when the top to bottom search of the house commenced, Plan B had to go immediately into effect.

The cobwebs in the basement window proved to me that nobody entered that home through that window.

Burke's "admission" that he unlocked the front door on Christmas Day haunted him....I don't believe him at all. Why would a 9 year old randomly unlock a front door, and remember it? Makes no sense and he just said that to create another theory for an intruder.

Who knew how to tie the garrote? Burke or John? Not to be sexist, but it doesn't seem like something a woman would typically know how to do. I'd be surprised if a 9 year old even knew what a garrote is.
 
burke's "admission" that he unlocked the front door on christmas day haunted him....i don't believe him at all. Why would a 9 year old randomly unlock a front door, and remember it? Makes no sense and he just said that to create another theory for an intruder.

bingo.
 
Burke did it. His interviews after the murder were very telling. No emotion and not worrying about being safe. The detective shows him a picture of the bowl of pineapple and he does not even answer the question when asked what it was. Why? Because the pineapple started the fight that led to the murder.
 
I'm not convinced they fought over everyday food, more likely a toy or candy and Jonbenet teased him and instigated whatever did happen. That would also make John and Patsy sympathetic and want to protect Burke. She was a dominant personality more alpha type and may have even bullied him.

Did anyone else notice a pillow in the kitchen (on a counter) from the actual crime scene video???? As though somebody was sick......

Also was the electric train under the Christmas tree, a common decoration, plus again the actual video the train room looked like a puny layout and stuff may have been missing.
 
Burke.

The experts really soft pedaled the paintbrush and the past sexual abuse allegations. I do realize they are hoping for someone with knowledge of what happened to come forward. It's probably easier for someone to come forward knowing Burke can't be prosecuted, that they termed the murder an accident. Also, by not emphasizing the past and present acts of molestation may make it easier for someone to come forward as well.

And I think big brother was guilty of that too.

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I do wonder if PR was the one who covered it up without telling JR, because she was afraid he wouldn't go along with it and insist on calling 911 instead. Which is what they should have done. jmo
 
Keep in mind there wasn't a lot of time to do the cover up. They were supposed to board the plane early for their trip. So everything had to be done before approx 6 am. There probably wasn't time for John to proof read the ransom note. Especially since she made it so long. I also think this is why PR has the same clothes on. I don't think she ever took her clothes off. Remember she stayed up to finish packing for the trip. I don't think she ever went to bed.

Also intense stress does odd things to people. Many have pointed out there is no way John could have ran upstairs, checked BR and then got fully dressed before the first officer arrived after the call. The officer arrived in just a few minutes because he/she was close by.

One thing I haven't seen brought up in the forum is a couple years later when JR filed that police report about getting in a fight with an intruder at his home in GA. Everyone thought it was totally made up. And I remember an interview with John saying something to the effect "see intruders do break into homes even when you have security" etc. Very telling I think.

He also said he checked all the doors and windows were locked, including the garage.
 
I do wonder if PR was the one who covered it up without telling JR, because she was afraid he wouldn't go along with it and insist on calling 911 instead. Which is what they should have done. jmo

John was the one that was familiar with knots because of his sailing. Seems he would be the most likely to fashion the garrotte. Also, its widely accepted that Patsy never went to bed as her clothes were the same as the previous night, and her makeup was perfect. John woke up first, so Patsy must have been sleeping still. If that were the case, why would she not change clothes? And lastly, we know now that Burke's voice is on the 911 call, so why did John lie when he told the attending officer that his son was still asleep?
 
Also, its widely accepted that Patsy never went to bed as her clothes were the same as the previous night, and her makeup was perfect. John woke up first, so Patsy must have been sleeping still. If that were the case, why would she not change clothes?

When I first read about this tidbit in Steve Thomas's book, it chilled me to the bone.

Here is a woman hellbent on perfection and appearances. She gets out of her Christmas morning clothes and into an outfit that she wears to the Whites' dinner party. She gets home somewhere around 9:30 or 10:00 pm, packs for a time, then undresses for bed. Then she gets up the next morning she wears the same clothing? This hardly seems likely.

Sure, she could argue that with so many other clothes being packed away and the hectic nature of that holiday that she didn't want to bother putting together another outfit that morning or laying one out that night. But is it really believable for PR to do something like that, especially when she took the time to do her hair and makeup (which she admits)? And would she really wear a dressy outfit like that on an early morning flight to their lake house, especially when candid photos of the family show them in more casual and even athletic outfits there? Really?

Even if you can get past all of that, here comes the chilling part...

Steve Thomas questions her about her clothing on April 30, 1997, specifically her habits about wearing the same outfit two days in a row. On May 1, 1997, the Ramseys do another televised interview with the press and she wears the exact same outfit as the one she wore to the interview on April 30.
http://bit.ly/2d2zo1k And let's not forget that her clothing was so critical because fibers from PR's 12/25-12/26 outfit were located in incriminating places, most notably the sticky side of the duct tape that covered JBR's mouth. Nor should we forget that the only reason PR knew about this fiber evidence was because her legal team had been provided all of the police reports as a condition of submitting to the interview in the first place. And oh yeah, it took many, many, MANY months for LE to ever receive PR's clothing for evidence after they requested it, and once they did it was apparent (according to Steve Thomas) that it was brand new and not what PR had actually worn in December 1996.

So even if you can buy PR's explanation for this evidence during the interview and disregard the importance of her foreknowledge of the fiber evidence (or deny it altogether), you cannot reasonably argue that her wearing that outfit on 4/30 and 5/1 was not intentional. That was no coincidence, and so you have to then ask yourself why. Is it an innocent woman who feels persecuted by the BPD and wants to prevent adding fuel to their fire? Or, given the totality of the evidence in this case - forensic and behavioral - is this another key in confirming PR's guilt in some form or another?
 
I voted Burke earlier but wanted to say I'm mixed on whether I think it was an accident or not. I can see him hitting her over the head with the flashlight cracking her skull but then I remember the sexual assault and evidence of long term assault/abuse. I think this was from BR long term. Maybe JBR spoke up and refused or threatened to tell this time. I believe PR came up with the scheme to cover up and JR went along with it. The cover-up aspect tells us it likely was NOT accidental because reporting it would had been best solution if it was truly an accident.

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I've always thought that after sexually assaulting her, John killed her with the golf club and Patsy wrote the ransom note to help cover it up. John purposely contaminated the crime scene by carrying her body upstairs.
 
I always thought it was a spat between siblings.
I always thought BR hit her in the head, now I believe the marks are from the train track.
I always thought PR wrote the RN while JR yelled the dictation and PR made it even more dramatic in her style.
I always thought JR did most of the cover up (Navy knot garrot) PR with nightgown, blanket etc
I always thought BR was up during the 911 call.
I always thought the cover up was so they would not lose BR, PR & JR knew BR needed mental help..........
I hope they had specialists help him over the years.
What normal 9 year old plays with his poop?
This CBS program put it all together for me
BURKE..............but parents were guilty of covering up and lies for 20 years.
 
Interesting. I see 5 folks believe IDI. I would love to hear the theory on this.

Did they/he/she:

(1) Write RN first, then try to kidnap (but things go wrong?) so, set up an elaborate crime scene instead and leave the body behind? or

(2) Try to kidnap first, things go wrong, and then write up an elaborate, totally worthless RN (to what end?)

I'm really trying to see how this can even be plausible....
 
Burke, killed JonBenet. He meant to hurt her, after she stole a pineapple piece. He hit her like he did with the golf club but not necessarily meaning to kill her. I believe he had this thought for some time 'If JonBenet was not as pretty she would not be in pagents and more attention would be paid to him', so hit her again and give her a worse scar. Parents covered it up to keep one child, keep up appearances, and not have anyone look into any possible sexual abuse charges.

JMO
 
I think it was BR. I don't think he is capable of feeling or expressing any kind of emotion and is not able to have empathy. He most likely needed help from a young age but his parents, not wanting the stigma, were in denial. Mirrors what we have seen with Adam Lanza and others.
 
I think Burke killed her with Patsy and John covering it up. As far as what the parents did in staging I don't totally agree with the theory the CBS show gave. I would have Burke doing more than what their theory had him do. In my mind that's why Patsy and John ultimately decided to try and cover it up and blame someone else outside the house. It wasn't just someone hitting In a moment of rage. It continued afterwards with other disturbing things being done. Their reasoning was very convincing though. When they examined the ransom note I was very impressed. They brought up a lot of things I had never thought of....or even noticed as far as that goes. Obviously this is only my opinion. That's why this case can be so frustrating. There were so many confusing things that happened, as soon as you decide on a theory someone can point out a different way of looking at something...and it seems totally plausible.
 
I think Burke killed her with Patsy and John covering it up. As far as what the parents did in staging I don't totally agree with the theory the CBS show gave. I would have Burke doing more than what their theory had him do. In my mind that's why Patsy and John ultimately decided to try and cover it up and blame someone else outside the house. It wasn't just someone hitting In a moment of rage. It continued afterwards with other disturbing things being done. Their reasoning was very convincing though. When they examined the ransom note I was very impressed. They brought up a lot of things I had never thought of....or even noticed as far as that goes. Obviously this is only my opinion. That's why this case can be so frustrating. There were so many confusing things that happened, as soon as you decide on a theory someone can point out a different way of looking at something...and it seems totally plausible.
I'm afraid I may agree. I just wrote in RN suggesting the same thing.
Had the parents discovered her when she was knocked unconscious but still breathing, (and because Spitz said there was no outward sign of bleeding or even a wound) why wouldn't they have gotten her to the hospital right away. Why would they have thought she was dead?!

Or, is it because they discovered her garroted and by that time JBR was dead!

BR cracked her, knocked her unconscious but she continued breathing so he put the garrot around her neck and finished her off. He then took the train tracks and poked her in the back to check if she truly was dead. And then did the paintbrush.

Now all the scenarios disturb me but this one is especially chilling.

I truly don't believe either parent would have garroted her if she was still breathing.





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