CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 9

[DollyPardonMe]

BBM. Respectfully, Dolly. If this were the case, and SIL is not working with LE to clear himself all because of the opinion of strangers on the WWW, it implies he places more value on the opinion of strangers as opposed to the continued suffering his sister in laws, son and grand children are going through.

The SIL shouldn't be making any decision based on what strangers think. His concerns should be clearing himself so his father in law's case can be solved and his son, sister in laws, grandchildren no longer suffer at his lack of action.

That is if he could clear himself and the question still begs, if he could, why hasn't he in almost 3 years?

Again, how do you know he hasn't? The SIL only has to answer to LE and his family and since he has not been arrested in all this time I imagine he has been cleared by them. He does not have to answer to strangers on the WWW as well as posters here at websleuths. I am always being asked for links..Well, maybe you can provide a link stating where you get your information that SIL has not worked with LE to clear himself?

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As believe said..Hands up if you've been accused of being a case player! Not funny when youre considering an elderly man is still missing!

 

[DollyPardonMe]

BBM~~~~

Exactly.


We know some family members took polygraphs and some declined. If JeM declined, you have to wonder why.

BBM

Do you have the police log where it shows he declined a polygraph?

 

[GrainneDhu]

It is not possible to prove a negative.

 

[Cubby]

If Jeff passed a poly and was cleared by LE, why wouldn't his family or LE share that information?

ETA: Not being arrested does not equal being cleared. It means one of two things. Either LE does not yet have enough evidence to ensure a conviction, or LE has enough evidence for one arrest, but is waiting to make any arrests until enough evidence exists to go to trial on ALL players who will possibly be arrested.

There is no statute of limitations on murder, so there is no hurry for LE to rush with an arrest or arrests.

 

[suzyq211]

If Jeff passed a poly and was cleared by LE, why wouldn't his family or LE share that information?

ETA: Not being arrested does not equal being cleared. It means one of two things. Either LE does not yet have enough evidence to ensure a conviction, or LE has enough evidence for one arrest, but is waiting to make any arrests until enough evidence exists to go to trial on ALL players who will possibly be arrested.

There is no statute of limitations on murder, so there is no hurry for LE to rush with an arrest or arrests.

I agree, Cubby, and Jhessey Shockley's case comes to mind. That mother has not been arrested again, but I feel that LE has plenty of evidence and is just holding out to find Jhessey's body (or not) and will know which way to proceed.

 

[shefner]

Were Bob's daughters upset that Fontelle had come along and taken their dad's attention? Were they upset that he was going to include her in his estate?
Who cares if they were? It was Bob's life. Where do kids get the idea that the parents "owe" them something? This sense of entitlement makes me nuts.

The only concern I would have as a daughter would be if I thought my dad wasn't making good decisions for himself....if he was forgetful to the excess or unable to manage his own life. Otherwise, its his life and his money and his possessions. Trust me, if your parent wants you to have something, they will give it to you. Otherwise, just be happy for your dad...and happy that he is not dependent on you for financial support, as so many senior adults must be these days.

 

[believe09]

Bob's physician stated strongly that he had no mental acuity issues. Bob had also been visited by APS, calls made by JuM according to her posts on ROTW, where he managed to make clear that his choices were his own to make. The final APS visit remains open, IIRC, waiting for Bob to come home and speak with the case manager. It would be very interesting to know when that final call was made to APS imo.

 

[believe09]

I'd like to explain my intensity regarding Bob's case to those of you who are newer to the threads. Many of us have been living and breathing it for so long, and we are wrapped up in it as strangers. My heart bleeds for Bob of course, but it truly bleeds for Fontelle. She was robbed and now she spends her days waiting for some kind of resolution. After spending the better part of two years looking at everything we have access to, there is pretty much one scenario that fits all we have the best.

Like Montjoy, I will be thrilled with any other theories or explanations that make this all something other than it appears. It is hard to believe that anyone would find money more important than a blood relative. Perhaps it was a situation that got out of hand when it started-I dont know. But for sure two people know, and one isnt here to speak up for himself. I am proud that he has found a voice here...and people who will stick up for him and the woman he loved so much. fwiw.

 

[shefner]

So (sorry if I am asking things everyone knows...I am new to the thread).....Bob received a verified call the morning he disappeared? How long between the time of that call and the hour the house cleaner arrived?

 

[believe09]

So (sorry if I am asking things everyone knows...I am new to the thread).....Bob received a verified call the morning he disappeared? How long between the time of that call and the hour the house cleaner arrived?

That is the magic question...if you take into consideration the Disappeared clip, then if the verified call was around 10, the housekeeper was on the doorstep sometime after 12pm.

 

[Cubby]

So (sorry if I am asking things everyone knows...I am new to the thread).....Bob received a verified call the morning he disappeared? How long between the time of that call and the hour the house cleaner arrived?

Ask away. This is one thread those of us who have followed for the last 2 years or so are more than happy to answer questions. We appreciate the interest in Mr. Harrod's case.

 

[shana]

Sorry for asking a question that is no doubt answered in the threads...but in the interest of time-saving, can one of you tell me if Bob had a Will and Living Trust in his Estate Plan?

tia

 

[GrainneDhu]

Were Bob's daughters upset that Fontelle had come along and taken their dad's attention? Were they upset that he was going to include her in his estate?
Who cares if they were? It was Bob's life. Where do kids get the idea that the parents "owe" them something? This sense of entitlement makes me nuts.

The only concern I would have as a daughter would be if I thought my dad wasn't making good decisions for himself....if he was forgetful to the excess or unable to manage his own life. Otherwise, its his life and his money and his possessions. Trust me, if your parent wants you to have something, they will give it to you. Otherwise, just be happy for your dad...and happy that he is not dependent on you for financial support, as so many senior adults must be these days.

It does appear from MSM sources and postings on various web forums that Bob's daughters were upset about Fontelle. One daughter claimed that Bob had never met Fontelle when they were younger and he didn't remember her. There was anger that Bob was spending money on Fontelle they felt he should have spent on Georgia to make Georgia more comfortable; this, even though there's evidence that Bob was devoted to Georgia and cared for her during her long decline. And then there were the implications that the "Missouri gang" had somehow abducted Bob.

The last family meeting was heated or Bob himself became heated during it (depending on which quote from which participant you look at). One daughter claimed it became heated because Bob had not provided them with copies of Georgia's will... which are readily available from the county for a minimal fee.

At the time Bob died, all three daughters and the one grandson were living in houses that Bob bought or had contributed significant sums of money to purchase. All three daughters are supposedly disabled.

Bob did have a friendship with the woman who came to their house to do Georgia's hair when she was no longer able to make it to the salon. Apparently she also cut Bob's hair for him and was a friend to him. He gave her some substantial cash presents (which he kept track of) and one daughter called Adult Protective Services to report the hairdresser as preying on a vulnerable adult.

The conservators for Bob's estate (the two older daughters) brought civil suit against the hairdresser to attempt to get the money back. They were unable to prove so much as one single element of the suit they brought, the court found for the defendant and assigned the defendant's legal fees to the plaintiffs (which will no doubt come out of Bob's estate rather than their own pockets). When I read the court findings I laughed hysterically because it was basically several pages of "failed to prove... failed to prove... failed to prove..."

As to where their sense of entitlement comes, I don't know but I do have some theories.

 

[GrainneDhu]

So (sorry if I am asking things everyone knows...I am new to the thread).....Bob received a verified call the morning he disappeared? How long between the time of that call and the hour the house cleaner arrived?

LE said the call came around 10 am.

Until recently, it sounded like the cleaning lady arrived at 3 pm. Now the trailer for the new show says she arrived at 12 noon.

Since all the other MSM sources said 3 pm, I tend to think that the Disappeared show got that detail wrong.

So anywhere between 2 and 5 hours.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Sorry for asking a question that is no doubt answered in the threads...but in the interest of time-saving, can one of you tell me if Bob had a Will and Living Trust in his Estate Plan?

tia

I hope someone else answers this because it is totally confusing to me.

My understanding is that there was some sort of trust involved, so that if one of them (Georgia or Bob) died first, the tax consequences would be minimised. This was not a set in stone arrangement guaranteed to benefit the heirs, it was a (legal) was to minimise taxes and Bob was not constrained to leaving his estate to his daughters and grandson.

Apparently there were statements by at least one daughter on a web forum that made it sound like she thought the estate was irrevocably bequeathed to the three daughters and grandson.

Finding out that the estate may have been distributed differently may have been quite a shock for his pre-existing heirs.

 

[believe09]

LE said the call came around 10 am.

Until recently, it sounded like the cleaning lady arrived at 3 pm. Now the trailer for the new show says she arrived at 12 noon.

Since all the other MSM sources said 3 pm, I tend to think that the Disappeared show got that detail wrong.

So anywhere between 2 and 5 hours.

BBM-this is what I find so interesting given that the show cooperates with LE and Agnes was interviewed herself. Perhaps it was hold back information that has been shared in light of inspiring possible witnesses. After all, let's say for the sake of argument that someone saw the Ridgeline in Bob's driveway between 1 and 3PM. They might have believed they were mistaken, and this sort of solidifies their memory.

Wouldnt it be something if there was a witness to the comings and goings at Bob's house on that day, outside of the cleaning lady and SIL, that is.

 

[believe09]

Sorry for asking a question that is no doubt answered in the threads...but in the interest of time-saving, can one of you tell me if Bob had a Will and Living Trust in his Estate Plan?

tia

Yes he did. The trust documents are public record-both the Harrod Trust and the Bypass trust were the vehicles used by Bob and Georgia as a means of controlling the tax consequences of either of them dying. Bob was the sole owner and controller of both. Since he has not been declared dead, the money and assets continue to be his. Only his.

 

[cloudajo]

Time Bob Was Last Seen Alive - Times range from ~10:00AM to 2:40PM on Monday, July 27, 2009

• Bob spoke to the housekeeper the morning he disappeared but we do not know what time
• An OC Register reporter previously posted a comment under his article that "per officials, there was a phone call to Bob at 10:00AM, which is the last time anyone other than Jeff verified he was at the house." However, I believe comments have since been removed and do not know if accurate.
• I speculate Bob was murdered in his home between 10-11:00AM on July 27, 2009

Below is summary of times reported that Bob was last seen. It’s in order of date reported starting with the day after Bob went missing, so you can see how it has changed over time.

11:00AM

July 28, 2009 – PPD Missing Person’s Report
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~10:00AM

Jul 28, 2009 - Daughter JuM Post on ROTW
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11:00AM

July 30, 2009 - PPD Flyer on Website
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1:30PM

July 30, 2009 – OC Register (Media)
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11:00AM-12:00PM

Aug 11, 2009 – Daughter PB Post on IS
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Late Morning

Aug 14, 2009 – America’s Most Wanted
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11:00AM-12:00PM

Aug 14, 2009 - Project Jason (Missing Persons Site)
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12:00PM

Aug 18, 2009 - NAMUS (Data entered by daughter PB)
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2:30PM

October 8, 2009 – OC Register (Media)
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2:40PM

Feb 2, 2010 - LA Times (Media)
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Before Noon

April 26, 2012 – ID Disappeared (Media)
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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6994844&postcount=3
http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=ac85bbd7-919c-45df-8bff-de9407f59354&src=front
http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=0
http://placentia.org/index.aspx?NID=129
http://www.ocregister.com/news/harrod-147900-loomis-family.html
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=67544
http://www.projectjason.org/aan/AAN_RobertHarrod.pdf
https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/case_report_html/2706
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/02/local/la-me-disappeared3-2010feb03/2

 

[cloudajo]

[snipped]

Wouldnt it be something if there was a witness to the comings and goings at Bob's house on that day, outside of the cleaning lady and SIL, that is.

Yes. I was just thinking the same thing!

 

[cloudajo]

Time Bob Was Last Seen Alive &#8211; Details for Reference

July 28, 2009 &#8211; PPD Missing Person&#8217;s Report
Fontelle said on 07-27-2009 at approximately 2100 hours (Pacific time) she was contacted by her daughter in law, Julie Michaels, who told her that Fontelle&#8217;s husband (Julie&#8217;s father), Robert Harrod, had not been seen since approximately 1100 hours on 07-27-2009. Fontelle said Julie told her that Julie&#8217;s husband, Jeffrey Michaels, had been at Robert and Fontelle&#8217;s home (522 Carnation) on 07-27-2009 at approximately 1100 hours.
[url="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6994844&postcount=3"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod-Documents No discussion[/url]

July 28, 2009 &#8211; JuM Interview
Reporter: &#8220;Julie says her husband was with her dad, at his home yesterday. He went to the hardware store alone. When he came back&#8230;&#8221;
Julie: &#8220;My dad was gone.&#8221;
Reporter: &#8220;What time?&#8221;
Julie: &#8220;We&#8217;re thinking maybe 1, noon?&#8221;
http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=ac85bbd7-919c-45df-8bff-de9407f59354&src=front

Jul 28, 2009 at 1:50PM &#8211; JuM Post on ROTW
I need to request positive thoughts and prayers. My father has been missing approx. 28 hours ago. We suspect foul play, but want 1o remain as positive; his new wife will be arriving with her belongings tomorrow. My father's name is Robert Harrod in Placentia; his new wife Fontelle Heeter-Harrod is just besides herself, please pray for his safe return.
http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=0

July 30, 2009 - Placentia Police Department Website
Robert Harrod was last seen at his residence on July 27, 2009 at 1100 A.M. in the city of Placentia. When a family member returned to the house at approximately 1:00 P.M., Harrod was gone.
http://placentia.org/index.aspx?NID=129

July 30, 2009 &#8211; OC Register (Media)
Harrod was last seen by his son-in-law, Jeff Michaels, around 1:30 p.m. on Monday. Harrod, a former contract manager, sent Michaels to Home Depot, but when Michaels returned, Harrod was no longer in the house, said Loomis. "His receipt showed that he paid for his items after 3 p.m.," Loomis said. "He thinks he was at Home Depot for 45 minutes to an hour, so given 15 minutes or so of driving time, you're looking at 1:30."
http://www.ocregister.com/news/harrod-147900-loomis-family.html

Aug 11, 2009 &#8211; Daughter PB Post on IS
I called my dad that morning by telephone, he had obviously been getting quite a few phone calls that morning. Then I realized that my BIL was there and I DID hear him say he was going to the "hardware store". My dad responded to him in a favorable way. I told my dad that I would let him go and talk to him later. That was the last time that I spoke to him. Times vary as I could not tell you the exact time that I called Dad, I gave an approximate of sometime between 11 and 12 and found later it was probably after 11:30 a.m.

Aug 14, 2009 &#8211; America&#8217;s Most Wanted
Robert&#8217;s son-in-law told cops that in the late morning on July 27, 2009, he had left Robert to run errands at the hardware store, and when he returned, Robert was gone.
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=67544

Aug 14, 2009 - Project Jason (Missing Persons Site)
Circumstances of Disappearance: Bob was last seen at his residence at 522 Carnation Dr., Placentia, CA at somewhere between 11:00 a.m. - 12:00 p.m. on Monday, July 27th, 2009 by his son-in-law. He did NOT take his car, but his wallet and keys are missing. His son-in-law went to the store and upon his return at 1pm, the housekeeper was waiting on the front porch, the front door was locked, and Bob was gone.
http://www.projectjason.org/aan/AAN_RobertHarrod.pdf

Aug 18, 2009 - NAMUS (Data entered by daughter PB)
Last Known Alive (LKA) entered as 12:00. &#8220;He was at home and seemed in good spirits when I last spoke to him somewhere between 11 a.m. - 12pm. His son-in-law was there doing odd jobs as Dads new wife was returning from Missouri on Wed. 7/29/09. Heard son-in-law say he was going to the hardware store. When he returned the housekeeper was waiting outside and Dad was gone. He did NOT take his car, but did have his keys and wallet. No contact or word has been heard from since.&#8221;
https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/case_report_html/2706

October 8, 2009 &#8211; OC Register (Media)
Bob Harrod talked to the housekeeper on the phone earlier that morning and told her to come.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html

October 8, 2009 &#8211; OC Register (Media)
Michaels told police he left the house for Home Depot to buy supplies around 2:30 p.m., and time stamped-receipts bear him out, Loomis said. About 2:30 p.m. was the last time anyone says they saw Bob Harrod.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html

Feb 2, 2010 - LA Times (Media)
About 9:30 a.m., Bob's son-in-law Jeff Michaels arrived to help get the house ready. Michaels told police that he worked at the home, then went to Home Depot about 2:40 p.m. to buy supplies. When he returned about 3:30 p.m., Bob's housekeeper was sitting on the front stoop because no one had answered the door. Michaels let himself in the back door and the housekeeper followed and cleaned.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/02/local/la-me-disappeared3-2010feb03/2

April 26, 2012 &#8211; ID Disappeared
Agnes, Bob&#8217;s housekeeper of more than 10 years, arrived around Noon.