CA - Chelsea King (17) Rancho Bernardo (north San Diego County) #1

[RunningonEmpty]

I was just thinking back to my runs from Poblado to the RB community center, and I remember somewhere along the trail, near the lake finger that TravelBug mentioned as a location of interest, there was some sort of utility building (maybe something to do with the power lines?).

However, I remember thinking it was an odd place to have such a building and also wondered about how vehicles got access to this place. Perhaps they have some surveillance? Maybe someone who visited this structure for work thought of other possible things to do with the knowledge of it's seclusion?

Anyone familiar with this trail know what I am referring to?

 

[TheMentalist]

Just bumping for news and ran across a thread that stated Missing Teen Chelsea King was reported missing 4 days ago. That really brought the reality of it to me...has it been that long? It doesnt seem like it but Im sure it feels like an eternity to her parents. How awful to have to wait for answers.

 

[Formerslueth]

TB,

There's been some focus on the footbridge crossing one of the lake fingers closer to the community center. You would have the best view to see it from above on the east end of Alborada Drive (in the cul de sac). Not sure whether you are viewing from that side or not. If someone ran the route from the community center toward the Pobaldo entrance, they would most likely cross that bridge.

 

[RunningonEmpty]

I was just thinking back to my runs from Poblado to the RB community center, and I remember somewhere along the trail, near the lake finger that TravelBug mentioned as a location of interest, there was some sort of utility building (maybe something to do with the power lines?).

However, I remember thinking it was an odd place to have such a building and also wondered about how vehicles got access to this place. Perhaps they have some surveillance? Maybe someone who visited this structure for work thought of other possible things to do with the knowledge of it's seclusion?

Anyone familiar with this trail know what I am referring to?

Ok so I tried to find it on Google Maps and these pictures are the best I can do.
This first one is a zoomed out version so you can get an idea of the location in relation to the lake, the community center, and the houses.

If you look in the bottom left corner where it says cruise and vacation specialist there is a offset road from the houses to what looks like a rectangular lot, that I believe is the utility area.
Picture 1

In the second picture, you can see a more zoomed in version, where the utility area is basically in the center of the picture and is obvious that it attaches directly to the trail!
Picture 2

The third is just a another view, here the utility area is in the bottom left corner.
Picture 3

 

[Ghostwheel]

So far, Steph Watts is the only one saying anything about a sports bra.
Not one thing in any msm.

Steph says he is on scene though, who knows. I can't see him putting that out unless it's true.

I hope he's not really posting accurate information he is not supposed to be posting. If this was for public broadcast, LE would have issued a statement. How smart would it be to have someone post "And we just found the missing person's clothing next to a wallet with the information of a person of interest."? They are being close-mouthed for a reason, and while the public would like to know, it might not be in the best interest of the missing person.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Ok so I tried to find it on Google Maps and these pictures are the best I can do.
This first one is a zoomed out version so you can get an idea of the location in relation to the lake, the community center, and the houses.

If you look in the bottom left corner where it says cruise and vacation specialist there is a offset road from the houses to what looks like a rectangular lot, that I believe is the utility area.
Picture 1

In the second picture, you can see a more zoomed in version, where the utility area is basically in the center of the picture and is obvious that it attaches directly to the trail!
Picture 2

The third is just a another view, here the utility area is in the bottom left corner.
Picture 3

Great shots. In the first picture, the bridge that FormerSlueth is referring to is just right of center, crossing over the finger of the lake. The area I believe TravelingBug said the helicopters were at is to the lower center/right.

In the second picture, the waterfall searched yesterday is toward the top right.

 

[fhc]

I hope he's not really posting accurate information he is not supposed to be posting. If this was for public broadcast, LE would have issued a statement. How smart would it be to have someone post "And we just found the missing person's clothing next to a wallet with the information of a person of interest."? They are being close-mouthed for a reason, and while the public would like to know, it might not be in the best interest of the missing person.

I thought volunteers with search groups, TES and others, pledge NOT to disclose anything they find in a search except to LE.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I thought volunteers with search groups, TES and others, pledge NOT to disclose anything they find in a search except to LE.

I don't think he is a volunteer. I'm actually not sure what his designation is, although he calls himself a "reporter/producer". Volunteers do sign a paper that says you agree that any information acquired during your service will not be used for personal gain and be held confidential.

 

[TravelingBug]

I was just thinking back to my runs from Poblado to the RB community center, and I remember somewhere along the trail, near the lake finger that TravelBug mentioned as a location of interest, there was some sort of utility building (maybe something to do with the power lines?).

However, I remember thinking it was an odd place to have such a building and also wondered about how vehicles got access to this place. Perhaps they have some surveillance? Maybe someone who visited this structure for work thought of other possible things to do with the knowledge of it's seclusion?

Anyone familiar with this trail know what I am referring to?

There's at least one major access road that runs the ridge along High Mesa Court in the Legends area. There seemed to be several access points to that road, all gated and locked.

Indian Lore and Harvest Dance were two other access points to get to that road...but as I said, always gated and locked. I've parked at the bottom of the access roads many times as a starting point to go geocaching back there.

I believe technically it's (the road parallel to High Mesa Court) primary purpose is a fire access road, but it is also used by SDG&E, etc. to access the power lines, and from that top ridge you'd see them going down behind (though technically that's actually north) Legends on the road toward that utility 'station' thing down there you're talking about.

I believe it's also accessible from one of the streets off of the neighborhood if you wind around from Aguamiel/Creciente/Alborada/Manticook/Smokesignal area...but I can't remember which street it is you see another gate thing that can be opened.

Monticook may have an access point, and I actually think Poblada there at between Smokesignal and Moon Song may even have more of an access as a fire road, but I'm trying to remember. I'll have to go past that and look for sure. If there aren't a boatload of searchers and LEO sitting at that Poblado point where the trail begins tomorrow I'll take a photo so people can see what we mean when we talk about that particular trail starting point since it seems to be an area of high interest.

I'll take another look at the end of Smokesignal, too, where Alborada joins by that dead end. I forget if that has those same bar/gate things as by Indian Lore and Harvest Dance?

 

[TravelingBug]

I don't think he is a volunteer. I'm actually not sure what his designation is, although he calls himself a "reporter/producer". Volunteers do sign a paper that says you agree that any information acquired during your service will not be used for personal gain and be held confidential.

What's he look like? And wasn't he involved with the Casey or Haley case or something? Why is his name familiar to me?

One of the people I spoke with was standing around with a very large camera and some camera bags around his waist taking photos near where I was at one point, and I wondered who he was and was struck by all of his fancy gadgets on a street that typically mostly locals would have known had a good view for what's going on right now.

 

[TravelingBug]

Great shots. In the first picture, the bridge that FormerSlueth is referring to is just right of center, crossing over the finger of the lake. The area I believe TravelingBug said the helicopters were at is to the lower center/right.

In the second picture, the waterfall searched yesterday is toward the top right.

Ghost, not sure if you saw my photos and write up earlier, but the waterfalls and surrounding area there are a very heavy focus again today. My photos were from about 1 pm and there were many dozen down there and 70 ish more waiting in a staging area to go in (and however many were between there at Poblado where they were staging and actually being at the falls and finger of the lake there) Plus they were helicoptering searchers in behind that area.

There was definitely a lot of activity there in that area again...as opposed to the bridge area and nearer Aguamiel where they had been the first day and night.

I'm interested to hear what exactly makes the news today. I saw KGTV (10) entering the park and either 5 or 6 was down in the lot in the park, but too far for me to see for sure...just know which ones it wasn't based on colour and vehicles! So they were there then, and I'm sure there now setting up for live shows at 5, 6, etc.

 

[cluciano63]

if the sheriff said, which i think is true? that they were looking into a possible abduction, then they must have a reason for saying this, i am pretty sure they would never say this if they did not have some evidence. Was it LE that used that word?

 

[Plumeria5]

Here's the Chelsea King website.

Also, multiple sources now saying the FBI is now involved in the search (most sources saying due to the belief she may have been abducted).

Investigators seek help in finding missing Poway teen

"We have probably 150 to 250 deputies, officers, agents and volunteers all night long and they will continue to stay here as long as needed," said Jan Caldwell, a spokeswoman for the San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

Caldwell said the search is being assisted by the FBI, San Diego Police Department, San Diego Fire-Rescue Department, Del Mar Lifeguards and search and rescue teams from Riverside County.

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A black BMW, believed to be King's, remained in the parking lot Friday surrounded by yellow tape.

Friday morning, law enforcement personnel from Riverside County arrived with canines to aid in the search. Additional canines from other agencies within San Diego County were also being used in the search, according to San Diego County sheriff's Lt. Harold Turner. Boats were also being used to search the adjacent Lake Hodges.

OMG! Did any of you read the last comment on her website??? Could this person be her abductor? Very disrespectful!!!!

 

[Plumeria5]

OMG! Did any of you read the last comment on her website??? Could this person be her abductor? Very disrespectful!!!!

The comment got deleted! You can read what other's comments are though to the person. Edgar (I forgot the last name) was the author.

 

[Formerslueth]

If it's the same Steph Watts, he bills himself as a freelance reporter. Has a website and a blog.

 

[TravelingBug]

KFMB (8) at 5 pm:

Thousands have been out searching, but volunteer searchers are done for the day, and are doing debriefing and sharing evidence that may have been found.

Searchers went door to door hoping someone had heard/seen something.

Sonar and drones are being used (military and LEO in conjunction) to search the lake and area for evidence.

The family is very thankful for the outpouring of support and help and they ask even more to continue coming out. They will begin again at 9 am in the morning until a bit before dusk.

 

[Plumeria5]

The comment got deleted! You can read what other's comments are though to the person. Edgar (I forgot the last name) was the author.

I was able to get back to the page I had previously viewed and the name was not Edgar but Edward Nigma which is the name for The Riddler character in Batman.
I wonder if the abductor would be so bold as to write a nasty comment on her website.

 

[RunningonEmpty]

While I was listening to the San Diego County Sheriff Dept's live audio feed, they mentioned two instances of clues. However, they must have known the public is able to listen because they referred to them as "clues" rather than specific items. The first one I heard was a small item found on the ground and the second one was something found in the water in which they requested a diver.

 

[TravelingBug]

RANCHO BERNARDO: Search for missing girl yields 'results,' officials say
By SARAH GORDON - sgordon@nctimes.com | Posted: February 28, 2010 4:13 pm | (3) Comments | Print

RANCHO BERNARDO ---- As authorities and volunteers swarmed the shores of Lake Hodges in the third day of a massive search for missing Poway High senior Chelsea King, sheriff's officials said the effort had yielded some clues.

"We're getting some results; I'm not going to talk about what those results are," said Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Jan Caldwell, speaking in front of the Rancho Bernardo Community Park Recreation Center early Sunday afternoon.

About 120 Sheriff's Department Search and Rescue Unit volunteers and nearly as many from several Southern California agencies searched approximately 4 square miles on the southern shores of Lake Hodges, where they have concentrated their work since Thursday evening, Caldwell said.

"We're replicating a lot of our efforts, because we don't want to leave anything unsearched," she said.

The area contains a web of trails where Chelsea, 17, routinely runs 4 to 6 miles.

She hasn't been seen since Thursday afternoon when she left school and headed to the park for a run. Her black BMW was found in the west end of the Rancho Bernardo park's parking lot, off West Bernardo Drive.

Caldwell said terrain has complicated the search as teams scour every inch of steep inclines, thick brush and marshy shoreline.

Three helicopters joined the search Sunday, while divers combed the lake for a second day, Caldwell said.

The Sheriff's Department was assisted Sunday by the San Diego police, FBI, Border Patrol, Del Mar lifeguards and the Orange, Riverside and San Bernardino county sheriff's departments.

Caldwell said about 50 investigators were working on the case, with some going door-to-door in the neighborhood near the park.

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, were privately briefed at the sheriff's command center Sunday morning, Caldwell said. The pair also visited the Chelsea King Search Center in Rancho Bernardo, where they walked a line of hundreds waiting to register to help in the search, said Fionna Oberrick, the deputy director of the search center.

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[TravelingBug]

Sorry Lily'sMom! I hadn't refreshed before posting and didn't see you posted it, as well!