CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #4

[No_Stone_Unturned]

From Twitter - be careful everyone:

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Another report of a peeping tom in our region. Police warn an incident in Mono today is connected to reports near... http://fb.me/17Fe3wW5n

And now Mono - connection to SL, SV perhaps?:maddening:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I always wondered if someone sent it to AG and why she didn't forward to all the people she emailed -- why only two people.

Me, too! And WHY were these two people selected out of all her emailing list? Perhaps, (if AG sent the song by herself and not by the killer) did she think either one of them would come for help? OR, is the killer one of the two people and he/she was trying to cover his/her/their tracks? [modsnip]

 

[LilyMacBloom]

I've been wondering about the money (yet again)
..personal property 50,000 = savings/cheq acct, car, etc
..property value 425,000

...AG would have an income of
CPP...$500+?/month
OAP $500+?/month

ummm where is the value of her teachers pension that she would have paid into????
had she exhausted it?
IF the 50,000 represents her pension fund she was pretty broke

 

[nicgumshoe]

I've been wondering about the money (yet again)
..personal property 50,000 = savings/cheq acct, car, etc
..property value 425,000

...AG would have an income of
CPP...$500+?/month
OAP $500+?/month

ummm where is the value of her teachers pension that she would have paid into????
had she exhausted it?
IF the 50,000 represents her pension fund she was pretty broke

According to my dad (a former teacher in the area), based on her years teaching, and with all pensions combined, she would probably have been receiving $50,000-60,000 / year in retirement. They do all right!

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from LilyM:

ummm where is the value of her teachers pension that she would have paid into????
had she exhausted it?
IF the 50,000 represents her pension fund she was pretty broke


If this helps:
1. A teacher's pension is based on the number of years taught.

2. It depends on which category AG was in - there are four different salary categories.

3. The categories depend on one's level of education.

4. If one is at the highest level in the category group (level four) one also receives more money depending on the number of University degrees a teacher has!

5. If AG had a Master's Degree (for some reason, I think she did have an MA), she'd receive approximately $700.00 per year for the MA depending on the school board one is teaching in.

Did that help at all? My husband has a Master's Degree, is still teaching, and (as of now) his pension will be about $60,000.00 per year! He's also working on a PhD which will help his salary and pension become higher.

Even though I'm not a "teacher" per se, I do have a Level Four teaching degree which helps with my work with young offenders. It helps me understand what happens when the young offenders re-enter the school system.

Any help???:crazy: (Oh, and my teacher's pension will be about $30,000.00 because I went from teaching in the 'regular' system to working with young offenders in a non-school setting!!:behindbar)

Oh, and what's a Level Four? One must have a General BA, an Honours BA in two specialised subjects and a Bachelor Of Education degree!! OK?:takeabow:

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Quoted from nic:

They do all right!

Yes, teachers do well. That said, I was led away from the classroom into young offender work because there had been stabbings,gunfire,rape,other assaults in my school!:chillout:

 

[Valleyboy]

I've been wondering about the money (yet again)
..personal property 50,000 = savings/cheq acct, car, etc
..property value 425,000

...AG would have an income of
CPP...$500+?/month
OAP $500+?/month

ummm where is the value of her teachers pension that she would have paid into????
had she exhausted it?
IF the 50,000 represents her pension fund she was pretty broke

Canada Pension at that time would be about $800 +/ month
OAP at that time $500 +/ month

She may also have had money in RSP's also

 

[dotr]

I would think that if someone wanted an elderly,sick woman's money, property ect, that they would straight up steal it or swindle it, or "arrange" for a car accident, or hire someone (with a good aim) to shoot AG.I just do not understand the violence and sexual assault if this was about money, unless we are talking about individuals from parts of the world where that combination might be the norm.

 

[dotr]

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/sexcrimes/sas/statistics.php
"In cases reported to police, 80% of sexual assault survivors knew their abusers. About 10% were assaulted by a friend and 41% were assaulted by an acquaintance. 28% were assaulted by a family member, while the remaining 20% were assaulted by a stranger. (Statistics Canada, 2003, The Daily, 25 July)

Most sexual assaults (60%) occur in a private home and the largest percentages of these (38%) occur in the victim’s home. The idea that most sexual assaults fit the ‘stranger-in-a-dark-alley’ stereotype can lead to a false sense of security. (D. Kinnon, “Report on Sexual Assault in Canada, “Canadian Advisory Council on the Status of Women, Ottawa, 1981)
Only 1% of women who have been sexually assaulted by an acquaintance report the incident to police. (Diana Russell, Sexual Exploitation: Rape, Child Abuse and Workplace Harassment, California;: Sage Publishing, 1984)

80% of sexual assaults occur at home; 49% in broad daylight. (Sexual Assault Care Centre, Women's Care Centre, Sunnybrook & Womens, 1999, Myths and Facts About Sexual Assault)"


•" In reported sexual assaults, 97% of sex offenders are men (Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, 2003).

• Sobsey (1994) found that almost half of the perpetrators of abuse against people with disabilities made contact with the abuse survivor through services related to the survivor’s disability.

• A study in the united States by the Centre for Research on Women with Disabilities (1999), suggests that women with disabilities are more likely to be abused by medical professionals and parents than women without disabilities."

 

[libyana]

I'm with Dotr, I think this was a nasty viscious assault and murder just for the sake of it.
I think it's possible she was held for a time too and the dogs over the road reacting to AG's dogs in the small hours is a big clue.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I'm also with dotr here. AG knew her killer.

AG's murder is not like some Hollywood movie where a guy clothed in black, sweeping in with his black cloak and then disappreared into thin air!

I firmly believe that the killer is sitting right here in full view of LE. Perfectly 'respectable'. :dracula:

 

[Hazel]

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/sexcrimes/sas/statistics.php
"In cases reported to police, 80% of sexual assault survivors knew their abusers. About 10% were assaulted by a friend and 41% were assaulted by an acquaintance. 28% were assaulted by a family member, while the remaining 20% were assaulted by a stranger. (Statistics Canada, 2003, The Daily, 25 July)

Most sexual assaults (60%) occur in a private home and the largest percentages of these (38%) occur in the victim’s home. The idea that most sexual assaults fit the ‘stranger-in-a-dark-alley’ stereotype can lead to a false sense of security. (D. Kinnon, “Report on Sexual Assault in Canada, “Canadian Advisory Council on the Status of Women, Ottawa, 1981)
Only 1% of women who have been sexually assaulted by an acquaintance report the incident to police. (Diana Russell, Sexual Exploitation: Rape, Child Abuse and Workplace Harassment, California;: Sage Publishing, 1984)

80% of sexual assaults occur at home; 49% in broad daylight. (Sexual Assault Care Centre, Women's Care Centre, Sunnybrook & Womens, 1999, Myths and Facts About Sexual Assault)"


•" In reported sexual assaults, 97% of sex offenders are men (Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, 2003).

• Sobsey (1994) found that almost half of the perpetrators of abuse against people with disabilities made contact with the abuse survivor through services related to the survivor’s disability.

• A study in the united States by the Centre for Research on Women with Disabilities (1999), suggests that women with disabilities are more likely to be abused by medical professionals and parents than women without disabilities."

dotr, keep in mind Audrey was not only sexually assaulted (we don't even know if she was raped or what the sexual component was), Audrey was murdered!

You think the main reason for her being attacked was "sexual assualt", and then the perp(s) decided to kill her too? more like overkill her, to make sure she was very dead?

IMO, the main reason was to murder her, and the 'sexual assault" was to divert attention, maybe taking advantage of the recent cases in Orangeville and Mono, as in 'copycat'
Just my humble opinion MOO :cow:
So what came first, the chicken or the egg?

 

[Hazel]

I'm with Dotr, I think this was a nasty viscious assault and murder just for the sake of it.
I think it's possible she was held for a time too and the dogs over the road reacting to AG's dogs in the small hours is a big clue.

Motive : just for the sake of it

hmmm, somehow I can't convince myself that was the motive :twocents:

 

[Hazel]

I'm also with dotr here. AG knew her killer.

AG's murder is not like some Hollywood movie where a guy clothed in black, sweeping in with his black cloak and then disappreared into thin air!

I firmly believe that the killer is sitting right here in full view of LE. Perfectly 'respectable'. :dracula:

I think all of us here have already come to that conclusion, that AG knew her killer.

I believe that is the ONE thing we all agree on, no?

Totally agree with you here Stone, that the killer is sitting right here in full view of LE, perfectly 'respectable'

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Polygraph info:

http://www.polygraphplace.com/docs/information.shtml

 

[nicgumshoe]

Quoted from LilyM:


Quoted from nic:

They do all right!

Yes, teachers do well. That said, I was led away from the classroom into young offender work because there had been stabbings,gunfire,rape,other assaults in my school!:chillout:

Me too! I'm a former Ontario teacher (BEd, OTC). Didn't like it one bit. Quit almost as soon as I started. Too much trouble as well. Started off in archaeology though...which I guess is why I dig a mystery

 

[Hazel]

Polygraph info:

http://www.polygraphplace.com/docs/information.shtml

It is my understanding that undergoing a polygraph test is voluntary, am I right?

Do we know who else besides PK has accepted taking a polygraph test?

I always think 'nothing to hide, nothing to fear'

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Who are sexual offenders:

http://www.aardvarc.org/rape/about/whowhy.shtml

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

It is my understanding that undergoing a polygraph test is voluntary, am I right?

Do we know who else besides PK has accepted taking a polygraph test?

I always think 'nothing to hide, nothing to fear'

I think that PK is the only one we know about!

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[modsnip]

 

[Canadian4]

I think all of us here have already come to that conclusion, that AG knew her killer.

I don't think murder or sexual assault was the intent. IMO the perp felt he had no choice but to kill her because she could and would identify him as she wouldn't put up with any nonsense.

I also wonder if the "sexual component" was simply her pants were ripped suggesting the crime was of a sexual nature.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Me too! I'm a former Ontario teacher (BEd, OTC). Didn't like it one bit. Quit almost as soon as I started. Too much trouble as well. Started off in archaeology though...which I guess is why I dig a mystery

I loved teaching and my husband also loves it (despite the "troubles"!!).

In my case, there were MANY Universites - U. Of Waterloo, U. Of Toronto, L'Universite de Montreal, and Western U. (all for different degrees/areas of study - NO, I didn't get kicked out!! :floorlaugh

My husband was at U. Of Toronto then he did his MA at NYU (New York University). He's continuing his PhD at NYU!!

I was asked to join a phychology group at Toronto's CAMH and I sort of got 'hooked' on helping young offenders.

I have no idea why I just posted all of that info! Pardon me for the fftopic:. Perhaps it draws me nearer to AG??