Cuddle Cat (and Other Obvious Lies)

[BloodshotEye]

Lies of Omission?

The following link, was provided by Jdee, on the Timeline thread. Thanks Jdee.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2414796.ece
"Reports also claimed that police sources said Kate is mentally unstable, displayed “aggression” and has been using her right to remain silent."
The issue I would like to make note of, is Kate, using her right to remain silent. Huh? This smacks of Peterson telling LE to go get a search warrant.

There is another article I read yesterday (will look for it), that indicated PJ asked something like 40 questions, of Kate. And that she "declined" to answer a number of them.

I am reading through a number of articles that discuss her interview by PJ, and taking another look at how each news source reports Kate's response.

If this is an accurate report of Kate's response to questions, it is a big red flag to me.

 

[snvoigt]

I know when I give my dd or ds Tylenol it knocks them on their butts. My dd who is 4, will be asleep with in 30 min, and will sleep for hours. Can't wake her up for anything. So, yes I can see this being used to knock them out. For a little kid, a dose of Tylenol is like taking vicidon for an adult, they don't have a tolerance built up for pain killers.

Didn't he just say that they gave them Calpol? That is not a sedative; it is
a brand name of paracetamol which is known as acetaminophen in the United States. In other words, it is Tylenol. And I don't mean Tylenol PM either. Here's Calpol's web site:
http://www.calpol.co.uk/en/latest.asp?section=38&ct=8

 

[snvoigt]

Kinda like Scott saying "Laci is missing"? That right there is what made me think he did it, he knew what happend to her.

This is from another thread, but IMO, has some real cover up issues surrounding it......

From a post by Cali -

c. Kate McCann's screams to GM at 10:00 that "They took her", as she raced back to the restaurant without the twins. Who is "they"? Which one of her daughters is "her"? Like if she suspected that someone had kidnapped one of the children, why would she leave the twins alone?

My response.....

WOW, this sets my hinky meter off - good call Cali -

WHY would she leave the two twins alone when she just found her one daughter missing..........

WHY did she say "THEY took HER"; if that is in fact exactly what she said. Can anyone verify this? This sounds like a staged comment. THEY - who is they?? why did she say they? and HER - her who? There was another little girl in that room that night - Kate didn't specify which child was taken. Shey just said "THEY (small foreign faction??) took HER."

Wouldn't you think she would have said something more along the lines of "Maddie is not in the apartment" or "Maddie isn't in her bed" -
NOT - THEY TOOK HER!!!!!

In a way it sounds to me like a rehearsed script

 

[patti54]

Found an interesting article written by David Brown of the Times Online, in it he says:
"How much alcohol did the McCanns and their friends drink on the evening Madeleine disappeared?
Kate and Gerry McCann and their friends are reported to have told detectives they shared four bottles of wine, with another two barely touched before Madeleine was discovered missing.
However, it is claimed detectives have recovered a bill showing they downed eight bottles of red wine and six white during the afternoon and evening."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2422967.ece?token=null&offset=0

I wonder why they didn't have a baby monitor with them. One of the other people in the group had one. Then again, I wonder why they left the babies home alone at all.

 

[patti54]

Why did Kate wash the toy after Maddie was missing for 4 days? Wouldn't you think she would want to keep Maddie's scent on the toy? I just don't get it... your daughter is missing, her favorite toy left behind, Mommy Dearest carries the toy with her everywhere she goes and then decides to wash it? Who gives a crap about laundry when your daughter is missing?

 

[solidarity]

Not without evidence of a crime. When the fund was set up, I'm sure it was worded broadly enough to include living expenses for the McCanns. So whatever charges the administrators approve can be paid, as long as they are broadly categorized as living expenses.

Unless one of the trustees accuses the other of mishandling the funds, (and I'm sure all of them are McCann family and friends) then it's doubtful the fund would or could be frozen.

It wasn't set up as a special charity, it was set up as a trust fund for the McCanns, basically.

I'm certain their mortgage/bills at home, etc, have been paid out of the fund while they are not working. Several months of not working would deplete most "middle class" (as they've been repeatedly labeled) people's savings, and they had no immediate intent to go back to work, either one of them.

I heard on the news that once they become official SUSPECTS in the case, they were prevented from using the fund. Personally, I hope this is the case. People donated money to help find Maddie, and not to legally defend those who may have actually harmed her!!

 

[philamena]

Why did Kate wash the toy after Maddie was missing for 4 days? Wouldn't you think she would want to keep Maddie's scent on the toy? I just don't get it... your daughter is missing, her favorite toy left behind, Mommy Dearest carries the toy with her everywhere she goes and then decides to wash it? Who gives a crap about laundry when your daughter is missing?

Good question patti54. I can't think of any mothers who'd do that. Like you said, they'd want their child's scent on the toy.

Think about it, if reports are correct, Kate took the cat to work...doesn't sound like she was worried about it getting dirty to me.

 

[BethInAK]

Good question patti54. I can't think of any mothers who'd do that. Like you said, they'd want their child's scent on the toy.

Think about it, if reports are correct, Kate took the cat to work...doesn't sound like she was worried about it getting dirty to me.

you know, I'm about as attached to my kid as you get, but I don't' take his stuffed animals into my professional workplace. And I can't imagine that even doctors get much contact with cadavers. And if maddy loved it so much why would mom take it to work???

 

[ThoughtFox]

This is from another thread, but IMO, has some real cover up issues surrounding it......

From a post by Cali -

c. Kate McCann's screams to GM at 10:00 that "They took her", as she raced back to the restaurant without the twins. Who is "they"? Which one of her daughters is "her"? Like if she suspected that someone had kidnapped one of the children, why would she leave the twins alone?

My response.....

WOW, this sets my hinky meter off - good call Cali -

WHY would she leave the two twins alone when she just found her one daughter missing..........

WHY did she say "THEY took HER"; if that is in fact exactly what she said. Can anyone verify this? This sounds like a staged comment. THEY - who is they?? why did she say they? and HER - her who? There was another little girl in that room that night - Kate didn't specify which child was taken. Shey just said "THEY (small foreign faction??) took HER."

Wouldn't you think she would have said something more along the lines of "Maddie is not in the apartment" or "Maddie isn't in her bed" -
NOT - THEY TOOK HER!!!!!

In a way it sounds to me like a rehearsed script

Yeah, Poco - that is just nuts! :waitasec: Why would she leave the twins alone, when the first thing a mother would do is to pick them up and make sure they are ok? And if she had two daughters - then what the heck is that indefinite pronoun "she" about? Gah!

And about the Tylenol thing? I've read a few places that there are possible health risks with it - I don't take it, and I don't give it to my kids. I can't believe that doctors would be injecting their children with it - good Lord! Why would three small children need injections of pain killer - this is really creeping me out. How can they justify knocking out the kids so they can go drink and play a trivia game?

I always gave these parents the benefit of the doubt, and I followed the case as a kidnapping waiting to be solved. Other miracles have happened. But just in the two days I've been reading here about the case, I've become convinced that this is a crime and that the parents are covering up something. There are plenty of lies and there are lies to come.

 

[gord]

Yeah, Poco - that is just nuts! :waitasec: Why would she leave the twins alone, when the first thing a mother would do is to pick them up and make sure they are ok? And if she had two daughters - then what the heck is that indefinite pronoun "she" about? Gah!

And about the Tylenol thing? I've read a few places that there are possible health risks with it - I don't take it, and I don't give it to my kids. I can't believe that doctors would be injecting their children with it - good Lord! Why would three small children need injections of pain killer - this is really creeping me out. How can they justify knocking out the kids so they can go drink and play a trivia game?

I always gave these parents the benefit of the doubt, and I followed the case as a kidnapping waiting to be solved. Other miracles have happened. But just in the two days I've been reading here about the case, I've become convinced that this is a crime and that the parents are covering up something. There are plenty of lies and there are lies to come.

nowhere has GM or KM admitted to injecting their kids with anything . All they have ever said is they have given Calpol - which in the UK is fairly common as mild pain relief or as an aid to reduce temperature

In every statement from the Mcanns I have read or heard they fervently deny anything about sedating the kids

 

[poco]

If the above is true, I definitely think it was staged. From what I have read about other children gone missing, generally speaking, the parents don't automatically assume the child has been kidnapped, that is too painful and stunning to wrap your mind around. Instead, the first words might be something along the lines of "she is gone, she must have wandered away, did she go to someone else's room looking for us," that kind of thing. No parent wants to leap into the world of abduction and possible murder, you want to believe there is a logical explanation for why you can't find her, at least for the first few moments.

Keywords here are THEY and HER (remember, there was another daughter in that room)

As I stated in another thread - your first statement in all likelihood would be
"Maddie is missing from the apartment." You would not ASSUME that THEY took her. To me, the statement THEY took her makes you think that she knew who THEY were................

IMO, this is the most damaging piece of evidence thus far.

 

[Barnaby]

Yes & that everyone else in the party knew who SHE was

 

[patti54]

It does seem very odd that Kate immediately assumed anyone had taken Maddie immediately. Wouldn't your first thought be that she had woken up and wandered off? Wouldn't you be screaming for help to find the wandering child? And if you did think she had been abducted, would you leave your other 2 children alone in the room? Don't these people have cellphones? I have not read any reports other than on forums that she actually went back to the bar. Does anyone have precise information on that?

I also have not read that the children were drugged.

Just read in the morning online edition of the Times that a journalist doing a documentary has shown up in Rothley.....again cue the eerie music while we compare this case to the Ramsey case.

 

[patti54]

That whole cat thing is bugging me so I went Goggling for information on it this morning. Apparently the police are curious about the cat as well as why Kate immediately thought her daughter had been abducted rather than wandered off.
From http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22379573-2,00.html?from=mostpop
"Police also asked the distraught mother why she washed Cuddly Cat after Madeleine disappeared, despite it being her favourite toy, with her distinctive smell.

Before asking her outright if she killed her child, detectives also questioned her on why she yelled that someone had "taken my little girl" and instantly assumed an abduction, on the night of her disappearance.

Mrs McCann reportedly swore at police when they asked her the final question."

Another question that has plaqued me: Kate is an anesthetist. Why has she been around 6 dead bodies recently? If she is good at her job, there should be no dead bodies. It also puts her availability to knock out drugs very very near at hand.......

I am on the fence as to theri guilty but again, shades of Ramsey are coming forth. At this point the evidence/reports indicate to me that they may not have done it but they know who did.

Does anyone have a link to report that gives more detail on what has been reported in the minutes immediately following the discovery of the missing child?

 

[Barnaby]

Kate trained as an anesthetist but is now a GP

 

[poco]

Kate trained as an anesthetist but is now a GP

Right, she's a GP and I doubt many GP's see dead bodies............... In fact, how my doctors do actually see dead bodies unless you are the medical examiner or the patient dies right in front of your eyes.

If a patient dies in the hospital, do you think the doctor comes rushing in to double check??? Dead is dead - don't need no doctor anymore. Need a medical examiner.

 

[patti54]

Would a GP's presence be required at the morgue?

 

[poco]

Would a GP's presence be required at the morgue?

IMO, I would say no. Anybody else????

Besides, a GP now is only used basically for your routine illnesses - colds, flus, etc etc., anything more than that you are referred to a specialist. I can't even imagine a cardiologist wanting to see the dead body of one of his patients. I don't know, maybe any doctor in the hospital at the time can confirm death. But a GP??? Who knows.

 

[wtsn5]

From my understanding where Kate lives she as a GP would do house calls on patients. So yes she may come across dead bodies, GPs in the UK don't seems to be like the GPs in North America. She would be called to a patients house to declare them dead. At least this is what I heard yesterday listening to one of the "experts" Nancy Grace had on last night.

 

[patti54]

While looking for reports on what happened at the moment Kate realized Maddie was missing, I found this article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2188493.ece
"There was about 20 seconds of disbelief where I thought 'that can't be right'. I was checking for her. Then there was panic and fear. That was the first thing that hit.
"I was screaming her name. I ran to the group. Everyone was the same. It was just total fear.
"I never thought for one second that she'd walked out. I knew someone had been in the apartment because of the way it had been left.
"But I knew she wouldn't do that anyway. There wasn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind she'd been taken. That's why the fear set in

"BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE APARTMENT HAD BEEN LEFT" ??
Anyone know what she is referring to?

Why does she run to the group without checking on her other children (again shades of Ramsey here...)