Darlie Routier asks for DNA testing

[Goody]

that is a good point that she wont be freeing herself by protecting him--could she have one last ounce of "mother" in her that says she knows she did, even though he tried to help cover...but he does have drake to take care of?

I don't know. Whatever he did needs to be brought out. If all he did was help her by lying to authorities, he probably wouldn't even go to jail. If they charged him at all, he'd probably get probation. Of course he would have to tell all he knows....and the truth this time.

Should Darlie cover for him for Drake's sake? I don't know. His mother is in prison for murdering his older brother and is believed to have murdered his other older brother. How much worse could it get? The only way Darin might go to prison, in my mind's eye view, is if he particpated in the murders or the planning of them. If all he did was lie for Darlie after the fact, like I said above, the most i would expect him to get out of it is probation, and I doubt if the state would pursue that if he was willing to tell all he knows. And I think he should do that.

On the other hand, if he was involved in the murders or the planning, then I think Darlie should talk. If Darin was involved, he should bear the stain of this crime on his good name as well as she. Drake has his grandparents and uncle to see him thru it. And don't you think when he gets old enough that he is going to wonder what Dad's part in it was? If if was my family, I'd be up in the attic prowling around everytime they went out shopping.

 

[Goody]

the whole process sometimes blows my mind--I can understand a shirt with a Pattern...but just a "blood soaked piece of clothing" ---my god how do they figure it out?

They probably can't if it is just a blood soaked piece of clothing. It is those little individual droplets that show the telltale signs...like if they have tails and if they do, which direction do they point? Can you duplicate the same size and shape with experiments?

For example, probably the one type of drop Darin should not have on his pants is a round drop. That indicates that the drip came from above while he and the object were relatively still. Since neither of the boys would be above him or above his waist/chest area, that round drop might cause the techs to sigh in anticipation. What have we here? What was he doing when this occurred? Certainly not giving CPR.

 

[cami]

Good answer, AC!! Excellent. I hadn't thought of that. If her blood is on his pants, how does he explain it getting there if he went straight to Devon without touching her?

My guess is that he will stick to that story of escorting her out of the house with the paramedic even though we know he had to be across the street at the time. We might see a whole new bunch of editing on their stories if these tests are ever done.

Weren't they sitting together by those sliding glass doors while the paramedics were in the room?

 

[CyberLaw]

I can't see at this late date, the inclusion of evidence that might have been presented at trial.

Too late, and my question being, was his clothes confiscated as evidence and preserved as such.

He never was a suspect, therefore why would his clothes be tested then or now. The defense would need evidence that he was involved at the time of the crime, almost 10 years later, it is seen as "grasping" at straws.......

The state is under no legal obligation to do any testing and can decline same. The alternate story would have had to have been put forth at trial.

The State of Texas has the killer behind bars, they did the public a service. It is not like the state is going to "endulge" the defence in yet another "scheme" to attempt to deflect responsibility for the crime.

If Darin did come forward and say: Yes, Darlie did it, I helped cover it up, then I guess that would not be in the interest of Darlie has she still sticks with "her intruder" theory to date..........

I very much doubt that Darlie will get anything less then a lethal injection.

Now if Darlie spoke up in the beginning, that would be a different story, but then she would have to admit responsibility, and she was already saying: Intruder, Intruder......so the State gave her many chances to come clean, but both she and Darlin decided not to do so.......

 

[cami]

someone said they could be looking at the blood splatter--and i was just thinking that in the blood bath of the night- and dont understand how they can make heads nor tails out of it now- thinking if it had any bearing at the time, it would have been noted....goody- do you think darlie is going to turn on him?

I find it extremely interesting. The blood spatters literally speak to those experts who are schooled in reading them. Too bad Camilla wasn't still around. She was our resident blood spatter expert at gac. Terry Laber did excellent work in the MacDonald case. I would think IF he could have refuted Bevel's work on Darlie's nightshirt he would have. His results were not made public.

They could be looking at the blood spatter on Darin's jeans for location, a pattern and distribution of the blood indicating he was involved in the stabbings, i.e. cast-off, transfer, soaking stains, etc. It's based on the premise that all blood stains and patterns are characteristic of the forces that created them.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

You're exactly right Cyber. The only thing that would change by Darin and/or Darlie coming forward and telling the truth is that Darin could end up in a cell himself. There's nothing that they could say at this late date to save Darlie.

 

[Goody]

The State of Texas has the killer behind bars, they did the public a service. It is not like the state is going to "endulge" the defence in yet another "scheme" to attempt to deflect responsibility for the crime.

I agree, but there we haven't seen what the defense's appellate issues in fed courts will be. If they are just going to rehash what has already been decided (old evidence that should be retested), it probably won't fly. But I am not sure the federal courts will view technicalities the same way as the lower state courts. Maybe but we'll see.

If Darin did come forward and say: Yes, Darlie did it, I helped cover it up, then I guess that would not be in the interest of Darlie has she still sticks with "her intruder" theory to date..........

It would burst her bubble, that is for sure. Pull the rug out from under her appeals. She'd almost be forced to set the record straight then. Something tells me he wouldn't want her to do that.

I very much doubt that Darlie will get anything less then a lethal injection.

Agreed, but I hope not. I don't feel comfortable with the state killing her as a punishment.

Now if Darlie spoke up in the beginning, that would be a different story, but then she would have to admit responsibility, and she was already saying: Intruder, Intruder......so the State gave her many chances to come clean, but both she and Darlin decided not to do so.......

Can't deny that. If she had been smart, that is what she would have done. Now she has herself backed into a deadly corner and I am not sure that anyone can get her out of it. There are no Tommy Lynn Sells out there for Darlie Routier.

 

[Goody]

You're exactly right Cyber. The only thing that would change by Darin and/or Darlie coming forward and telling the truth is that Darin could end up in a cell himself. There's nothing that they could say at this late date to save Darlie.

I think you are right, Jeana. It seems to me that the defense almost has to get her a new trial on a technicality to save her hide. She will be convicted, of course, but at least she will have one last chance to come clean and avoid the death penalty. Surely to God she is smart enough to take advantage of that. Of course, that relies on the defense's ability to get the new trial in the first place. You say you don't see it. I don't hold much hope for it, but I have seen federal courts grant new trials unexpectedly before. The defense should be filing the first one soon, shouldn't they?

 

[CyberLaw]

Is there any posting of her current Federal Appeal, I would like to read it and comment.

If evidence could have been entered at trial, in a timely manner, then

a)the court would ask: Why was this not entered at trial and why was it not tested at the time of the trial. Why was an alternate theory of the crime with this evidence not offered at trial and now 10 years later. What lead to the "discovery" of this new evidence and why is it relevant.

b)What other evidence do you have to support the testing of this now, what other relevant evidence in truth and fact is now available but was not then.

c) Why should we support the testing of this material now, the case has been decided and a decision rendered.

d)What conclusive evidence would this prove at this late date, that may contribute to a "miscarriage of justice"

e) State the facts that the court can rely upon that supports the fact that another person was involved in this crime and how does it affect the defendent. You offered no prooof of an intruder at trail and no evidence.

f)On what grounds should a new trial be "ordered"........

I would be SHOCKED, just shocked if a new trial was ordered.....I really don't think it will be.

The defence would have to prove that this "new" evidence was not available at trial and only newly discovered and it would have a relevant and material offerings of a miscarriage of justice and a trial that was not fully impartial.

I don't see that happening. There really is no ground for a new trial, nor testing of evidence at this late date......

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I think you are right, Jeana. It seems to me that the defense almost has to get her a new trial on a technicality to save her hide. She will be convicted, of course, but at least she will have one last chance to come clean and avoid the death penalty. Surely to God she is smart enough to take advantage of that. Of course, that relies on the defense's ability to get the new trial in the first place. You say you don't see it. I don't hold much hope for it, but I have seen federal courts grant new trials unexpectedly before. The defense should be filing the first one soon, shouldn't they?

Coming clean, if she were to ever get a new trial, won't save her from the death penalty, imo.

 

[Mama-cita]

Is there any posting of her current Federal Appeal, I would like to read it and comment.

If evidence could have been entered at trial, in a timely manner, then

a)the court would ask: Why was this not entered at trial and why was it not tested at the time of the trial. Why was an alternate theory of the crime with this evidence not offered at trial and now 10 years later. What lead to the "discovery" of this new evidence and why is it relevant.

b)What other evidence do you have to support the testing of this now, what other relevant evidence in truth and fact is now available but was not then.

c) Why should we support the testing of this material now, the case has been decided and a decision rendered.

d)What conclusive evidence would this prove at this late date, that may contribute to a "miscarriage of justice"

e) State the facts that the court can rely upon that supports the fact that another person was involved in this crime and how does it affect the defendent. You offered no prooof of an intruder at trail and no evidence.

f)On what grounds should a new trial be "ordered"........

I would be SHOCKED, just shocked if a new trial was ordered.....I really don't think it will be.

The defence would have to prove that this "new" evidence was not available at trial and only newly discovered and it would have a relevant and material offerings of a miscarriage of justice and a trial that was not fully impartial.

I don't see that happening. There really is no ground for a new trial, nor testing of evidence at this late date......

Thanks for that info CyberLaw, it is really helpful. So if Darlie points the finger at Darin now, it wouldn't prompt anything at all? I am guessing she is not going to do that because I think it would FURTHER incriminate her. I think at worst, he comes off as accessory after the fact, or complicit in a cover-up/perjury etc. I think he has major dirt on her and for that reason she has made sure to be careful and not implicate him in anyway. However, I think if she were to learn of him having a girlfriend or anything like that, well then, all bets off! But I do think he deserves his own 6x9 cell, to think about what happened and how he contributed...

 

[deanws]

Coming clean, if she were to ever get a new trial, won't save her from the death penalty, imo.

But it might get her partner in crime.:furious: Darin knows what happened, and by covering up for her, he is just as guilty. IMO of course. I wish Texas would do the testing. I would like to see Darin and Darlie turn on each other. We might get a little bit of the truth that way.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

But it might get her partner in crime.:furious: Darin knows what happened, and by covering up for her, he is just as guilty. IMO of course. I wish Texas would do the testing. I would like to see Darin and Darlie turn on each other. We might get a little bit of the truth that way.

Sure, but a partner in crime only means that he'd be in prison too. The defense is the party responsible for doing any testing that the defense thinks will help its case. IMO, the state has wasted enough time and money on Darlie's case. The defense has had ample opportunity to conduct any tests it wanted to. Why do you think they haven't done so????? They certainly didn't want the fact that they exhumed those two little boys and chopped their hands off to be made public. Why is that? First of all because they knew it would deeply anger the public. Secondly, why haven't they been shouting from the rooftops the results of those test? Because they do nothing but prove the state's case. The same thing would be true with any tests that the defense refuses to have. The defense KNOWS it will prove the state's case. However, if the defense NEVER tests those things, it has plenty of so-called ammunition for them to stand around blaming the state for. They simply want to run their collective mouths. They certainly don't want anyone to take them up on the things they claim to want.

 

[deanws]

Sure, but a partner in crime only means that he'd be in prison too. The defense is the party responsible for doing any testing that the defense thinks will help its case. IMO, the state has wasted enough time and money on Darlie's case. The defense has had ample opportunity to conduct any tests it wanted to. Why do you think they haven't done so????? They certainly didn't want the fact that they exhumed those two little boys and chopped their hands off to be made public. Why is that? First of all because they knew it would deeply anger the public. Secondly, why haven't they been shouting from the rooftops the results of those test? Because they do nothing but prove the state's case. The same thing would be true with any tests that the defense refuses to have. The defense KNOWS it will prove the state's case. However, if the defense NEVER tests those things, it has plenty of so-called ammunition for them to stand around blaming the state for. They simply want to run their collective mouths. They certainly don't want anyone to take them up on the things they claim to want.

WOAH....hang on!!! I didn't say it was going to keep Darlie from the needle. SHE thinks it will. The testing MIGHT show he was involved as well. I don't want him to walk free if he is covering for her or if he was involved in the actual killing of his two precious sons. :behindbar

 

[Jeana (DP)]

WOAH....hang on!!! I didn't say it was going to keep Darlie from the needle. SHE thinks it will. The testing MIGHT show he was involved as well. I don't want him to walk free if he is covering for her or if he was involved in the actual killing of his two precious sons. :behindbar

LOL :truce:

I agree that if Darin was involved that he should be punished. I just don't see it happening. Even if he was arrested today, it would be Darlie's word against his. After all of the lies that she's told, I don't think her word is worth too much these days.

 

[deanws]

LOL :truce:

I agree that if Darin was involved that he should be punished. I just don't see it happening. Even if he was arrested today, it would be Darlie's word against his. After all of the lies that she's told, I don't think her word is worth too much these days.

When her number comes up...the protests are going to be horrendous!!!! :doh: I bet that is one execution that is going to be covered like the Karla Fay Tucker was. She has been moved...it is going to happen. I don't think it will be many more years either. Sorry to come across so bold. I just think the creep ought to be there right beside her.:behindbar

 

[j2mirish]

O, me too. I think if he were not involved, he would have abandoned her long ago, no matter how much he loved her at one time. Killing a guy's kids, esp his favorite son, is a real love destroyer. At least it is for most guys.

I agree with you that he is laying low until it all plays out. Then I think we will hear the real story, via a book and possibly movie deal.

The more I think about this, the more involved I think he may have been. I have thought for a long time, he just helped cover up, but the fact he has not left her to fend for herself in prison, he has no relationships, that just makes me wonder if he had to be involved in the act itself- like everyone has said, him helping cover up, would more than likely this many years later, not put him in a cell....and this many years later, having drake to take care of, if it was just covering up, you would think he would finally spill--but I think she holds something very heavy over him, and the only thing it could be to keep his silence and "devotion" would be his involvement with the murders themselvees.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

When her number comes up...the protests are going to be horrendous!!!! :doh: I bet that is one execution that is going to be covered like the Karla Fay Tucker was. She has been moved...it is going to happen. I don't think it will be many more years either. Sorry to come across so bold. I just think the creep ought to be there right beside her.:behindbar

You're right. The protesters will come out in spades. What the Darlies fail to understand is that many of her "supporters" don't give a crap about her and honestly don't care whether she did it or not. They're simply againsnt the death penalty and would be speaking out against it no matter who the defendant is. Her delusional mind, however, wants to believe that they think she's innocent and are supporting her. There will be protesters on both sides of the fence when the time comes. I won't be doing handstands when the execution happens, but some will.

 

[CyberLaw]

I hope some of these "supporters" will hold hold billboards of the two boys smiling, with the caption: My Mom killed me...........

 

[j2mirish]

I hope some of these "supporters" will hold hold billboards of the two boys smiling, with the caption: My Mom killed me...........

IF I lived there- I would volunteer for that job.......