DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #9

[Peliman]

HTH

Quash Definition: To set aside. To set aside; to rescind; to vacate; to render null and void. To quash a conviction means to set it aside as if it never existed. A motion to quash seeks to rescind a previous decision or a document or decision.

http://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/vincent-h-cohen-jr-takes-office-acting-us-attorney

Thanks atthelake, now we know who he is. The good guy

 

[kammiemc]

This woman said so many things, some (to put it nicely) opposing to each other.
For instance, it was reported she personally talked to this assistant and he told her he delivered the money.
So how can she now claim no one heard from him since the murders, when she herself heard from him since the murders, according to what she herself told reporters?

Yes, I was wondering that too. She said he told her about the money. Then she said she knew nothing about the money. :thinking: But then she has also said many very true things that have been corroborated. So, she has indeed been unreliable. But, is there any reason to doubt that JW was at the dojo helping his boss and that he left at 3:30, beyond assuming that NG was confused or lying? It seems like perfectly normal scenario to me. Would JW being at the dojo and leaving at 3:30 be significant for any reason that would cast suspicion on him? He had to have been somewhere at 3:30 and we don't know where, so might as well have been leaving the dojo at 3:30 unless there is reason to believe he was doing other projects for SS unrelated to the dojo and was in a different area.

 

[MyBelle]

Nice work! I have not heard that she has retracted that statement or that MSM has made any clarifications, so I am predisposed to believe this a likely scenario. In fact, it would actually seem kind of odd if SS's assistant wasn't helping him out at the dojo or doing errands involving the dojo in prep for the opening. It sounds like it was quite important to SS and that is, after all, what assistants do: assist. :innocent:

I just don't see an assistant leaving two hours ahead of the boss and then waiting until noon the next day to run an errand to Lowe's. And I also don't know why NG would be discussing a money delivery with JW on Thursday. That Thursday conversation has bugged me from the beginning.

JMO

 

[atthelake]

The more I think about it (baaaaad decision to think more ATL :giggle: ) is if someone has sooooooo many stories that conflict, neither the prosecution nor the defense will want them (a la one of the original folks in the Jodi trial and another in the Caylee trial?)

Just discredits them for both sides.

I just do NOT get this woman! Is she a cousin of Ficker? :floorlaugh:

 

[atthelake]

All of the things she said can not all be true. First she claimed security system was always on. Now she claims it was almost never on and doors were left open.
She claimed she knew about the money and confirmed that assistant delivered the money.
Then she claimed she knew nothing about the money.
Now she claims she hasn't heard from assistant since the day before the murders.
So how did she confirm with him that he delivered the money?
Does she tell reporters what they want to hear? Because I don't understand that many contradictions otherwise.

Does anyone know an INVESTIGATIVE reporter that can ask her these questions? grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Or perhaps an email, but reporters no longer put their by-line email for us to contact them anymore lol. Don't even have comment sections for those videos. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

[kammiemc]

Yet she also claimed she confirmed with him that he delivered the money (in published msm reports).
So how exactly did she do that if she last heard from him the day before the murders?

People here were posting speculation that she lied about talking to JW and getting confirmation because she wanted to appear as an insider. I have no idea!

 

[Just K]

From everything else that was reported, SS left the dojo close to 6 pm.

That may mean that he was carjacked outside the dojo by someone while another or others held the family hostage at the house. Thereby explaining the 6:00 PM start time that LE refers to...

 

[Paulas88]

Yes, I was wondering that too. She said he told her about the money. Then she said she knew nothing about the money. :thinking: But then she has also said many very true things that have been corroborated. So, she has indeed been unreliable. But, is there any reason to doubt that JW was at the dojo helping his boss and that he left at 3:30, beyond assuming that NG was confused or lying? It seems like perfectly normal scenario to me. Would JW being at the dojo and leaving at 3:30 be significant for any reason that would cast suspicion on him? He had to have been somewhere at 3:30 and we don't know where, so might as well have been leaving the dojo at 3:30 unless there is reason to believe he was doing other projects for SS unrelated to the dojo and was in a different area.

Just that possibly he could have left at 3:30 to let DW in home knowing SS was at Dojo, then return. (Family was familiar with JW) All speculation. We need some more info.

 

[kammiemc]

NG is always speaking out of both sides her mouth, but if this happens to be one of her true statements (the kind of true that is eventually found to match reality) is there anything wrong with JW being at the dojo helping his boss and leaving at 3:30? I'm curious why there would be skepticism about that when it seems completely likely.

 

[atthelake]

Hi all, I've been lurking here for quite a while now and thought I'd chime in and give my two cents. This crime is so horrific and I have been captivated by it. Every day I hope for new evidence or new information that will help to solve this heartbreaking crime.

If this theory or idea has been posted elsewhere, forgive me. I haven't seen any thoughts specifically on this, but I may have missed something in the last 9 threads. I also am hoping I have all the facts straight, but there is a lot of dispute, so again, forgive me if I have missed something.

A thought I have been having is that perhaps JW did not know what the money was for. It sounded like he may have been a bit on the outs with the family, at least as far as being PS's driving instructor (it was stated in the thread earlier that PS's new driver said the family was backing away from JW in that capacity). Perhaps JW was angered at this or upset in some way...maybe he continued to work for SS, but he was not pleased with the situation. Maybe he had no knowledge of the hostage situation and was simply delivering the $40,000, but decided to take a cut of it for himself. Maybe he felt he deserved it after all his hard work and thought he could use the money to further his own driving career. He dropped $20,000 in the garage (there is only about $20,000 calculated to have been found with DW, correct?) and kept the other $20,000 for himself. He texted a photo to his gf, maybe to show her that he finally got what he 'deserved' out of all of this. Then he left the area. If DW was expecting the arrival of $40,000, but only found $20,000 in the envelope, he could have been angered. This could have prompted the final call from SS to JW, which JW did not pick up. Perhaps DW, someone who is clearly psychopathic and off the rails, could have killed the family in anger when he did not receive all of the money that he was expecting. JW crying later on could be him not realizing the severity of the situation or not knowing that the family was being held hostage and feeling blame for the fact that the family may have died in part due to his actions. His lies at the beginning to LE could have been to try and cover the fact that he stole some of the money for himself. Perhaps he never intended things to turn out how they did, but he did intend to take some of the money.

Just a thought. JMO.

That would be bad karma luck for him for sure! With that scenario though, the po po's would have been after him and located him very quickly, just as they did with this case? If he really thought the money was going to be picked up from the car seat in the next few minutes.... and would have been short... just not getting that one scenario as one to consider highly But made me think! :daisy: Keep the ideas coming. And keep an eye out for my incorrect statements hehehe as it takes a village.

:wagon:

 

[jjenny]

NG is always speaking out of both sides her mouth, but if this happens to be one of her true statements (the kind of true that is eventually found to match reality) is there anything wrong with JW being at the dojo helping his boss and leaving at 3:30? I'm curious why there would be skepticism about that when it seems completely likely.

I think it's because it's very hard to know what to believe, based on her past inconsistent statements.

 

[i.b.nora]

Yet she also claimed she confirmed with him that he delivered the money (in published msm reports).
So how exactly did she do that if she last heard from him the day before the murders?

Well the way I am looking at it is thus:

In all the cases I have followed in the last 18 years of following cases online, this particular case has some of the consistently suckiest reporting I have ever witnessed. I am unwilling at this point to lock the housekeeper, for instance, into any statement, especially when I have not heard the question she was asked and am only hearing the reporter's interpretation of the statement. For me, it is especially true with the housekeeper because English is a second language for her and I am not always sure she has understood the exact question that she has been asked. In addition, most of the reporters, imo, have been untrustworthy and abysmal.

So, I can only collect and try to remember it all and see how it eventually falls into place.

That's how I look at it. I understand that not everyone looks at it that way.

 

[emmavoberry]

Pondering far-fetched possibilities to connect unconnected events and people:

Given what an integral part of the race track company JW was, I am surprised they would let him go. He called his job there ideal and thanked them for believing in him (sorry, not cited). I still believe (JMO!) that SS's car collection was one of, if not the major target here, and that the box car, DW's history of "stolen goods," and JW's car obsession and knowledge are somehow connected.
The primary reason I speculate on JW's involvement is that his lies are difficult to explain, except on his perception that the specific details he fudged on implicate him. It's a challenge to account for his mis-reporting at all considering what was at stake.
Now, I juxtapose two items which are not actually associated. They are NOT items similar in kind even.
I suggest, in linking the items, an association between DW and JW (DW charged in this case; JW NOT even a "POI" and also not known to have any criminal record) that is neither supported factually by the items themselves or any other evidence. One item, an official legal document, mentions a previous criminal charge, the other, from a news story, a happenstance that says nothing about JWs character. " Let go" or "fired" outright is often more a statement about bad management than the person let go. Some positions just become untenable.

RE DW
"on March 23, 2015, the defendant was arrested in the District of Columbia for receiving stolen property and he provided a false name of Steffon Wint (his brother's name) at the time of that arrest. The defendant was assigned a PDID 703045 at the time of his arrest under the name Steffon Wint and is thus identified in MPD law enforcement databases as Steffon Wint."


https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documen...-darron-dellon-dennis-supplement-may-2015.pdf

RE: JW

"The assistant worked at the Autobahn Indoor Speedway in Jessup, Maryland until March. At the Go Kart racing site on Thursday, we were told that the Savopoulos assistant was “let go” in March."


http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/29129466/savopoulos-assistant


Any sinister connection between the items and the people referred to in them is of my own making, a product of my own imagination.

 

[bostonstrong]

The more I think about it (baaaaad decision to think more ATL :giggle: ) is if someone has sooooooo many stories that conflict, neither the prosecution nor the defense will want them (a la one of the original folks in the Jodi trial and another in the Caylee trial?)

Just discredits them for both sides.

I just do NOT get this woman! Is she a cousin of Ficker? :floorlaugh:

this one reminds me of the idiot the defense paid off to testify in the OJ trial who gave OJ an alibi darden: why are you here? witness 'to tell the truth!" darden: 'HA!"

 

[clearskies1]

All of the things she said can not all be true. First she claimed security system was always on. Now she claims it was almost never on and doors were left open.
She claimed she knew about the money and confirmed that assistant delivered the money.
Then she claimed she knew nothing about the money.
Now she claims she hasn't heard from assistant since the day before the murders.
So how did she confirm with him that he delivered the money?
Does she tell reporters what they want to hear? Or do reporters just make up what she tells them? Because I don't understand that many contradictions otherwise.

I give zero credence to any reports about NG's statements. No clarity, everything is all over the place. Ugh!

 

[jjenny]

Well the way I am looking at it is thus:

In all the cases I have followed in the last 18 years of following cases online, this particular case has some of the consistently suckiest reporting I have ever witnessed. I am unwilling at this point to lock the housekeeper, for instance, into any statement, especially when I have not heard the question she was asked and am only hearing the reporter's interpretation of the statement. For me, it is especially true with the housekeeper because English is a second language for her and I am not always sure she has understood the exact question that she has been asked. In addition, most of the reporters, imo, have been untrustworthy and abysmal.

So, I can only collect and try to remember it all and see how it eventually falls into place.

That's how I look at it. I understand that not everyone looks at it that way.

Language barrier could be a contributing factor to the many reported contradictory claims.

 

[katydid23]

Just that possibly he could have left at 3:30 to let DW in home knowing SS was at Dojo, then return. (Family was familiar with JW) All speculation. We need some more info.

But VF was scheduled to leave at 3 pm. So I think it is more likely that the perp had already made his entrance into the home, to disrupt those plans.

And why would JW let the monster into the home and then return? Wouldn't he fear that AS would somehow leak that info to SS during her call to him?

That part does not ring true to me. JMO

 

[jjenny]

But VF was scheduled to leave at 3 pm. So I think it is more likely that the perp had already made his entrance into the home, to disrupt those plans.

And why would JW let the monster into the home and then return? Wouldn't he fear that AS would somehow leak that info to SS during her call to him?

That part does not ring true to me. JMO

Statement about VF leaving at 3 pm again came from NG.

 

[serena]

What??? Can you provide a link to this? I don't understand where you found this and who filed the motion?

 

[bostonstrong]

Well the way I am looking at it is thus:

In all the cases I have followed in the last 18 years of following cases online, this particular case has some of the consistently suckiest reporting I have ever witnessed. I am unwilling at this point to lock the housekeeper, for instance, into any statement, especially when I have not heard the question she was asked and am only hearing the reporter's interpretation of the statement. For me, it is especially true with the housekeeper because English is a second language for her and I am not always sure she has understood the exact question that she has been asked. In addition, most of the reporters, imo, have been untrustworthy and abysmal.

So, I can only collect and try to remember it all and see how it eventually falls into place.

That's how I look at it. I understand that not everyone looks at it that way.

I believeed this about the laungauge barrier at the beginning. but if she feels something is getting lost in the translation in the numerous interviews she's had with the media, then she needs to have an interpreter present.

i really believe now she is panicking (for whatever reason) and changing her stories.

JMO