Dr. Teresa Sievers - Motives and Theories (Including MS speculation)

[creepingskills]

bbm above and enlarged
CREEPINGSKILLS I have probably read something like that at least 3 times before, AND I FINALLY GET WHAT YOU MEAN! (please insert I-am-so-slow emoticon in triplicate) Did someone in a nearby mobile home (JRR or his gf) call MS and say, "BTW, the Feds are raiding you best bud's place?" Were there any other noticeably strange or sudden "changes in behavior, routines & postings" by MS after the raid? JRR's and CWW's?
Thank you again for pointing out this glaring oddity.

It is so odd. My guess would be that if MS is involved, and the sudden pause on the push on FB is indeed the result of the raid on CWW, then MS had to have been tipped off. If CWW and his wife were detained on July 12, and IIRC they were, unlikely they called MS until after July 12. JMO, I'd wager that it was probably LCSO who let MS know they were executing a search warrant at CWW's trailer. Perhaps to cause some 'movement' in the case.

 

[SweetT]

First, thank to the mods for creating this forum.

I think I already posted my theory, but since there is a theory page....!

IMO, I'm thinking MS was a casino employee with aspirations for wealth and success, but no promising plan to get their quickly. TS was a woman who created her own success. She could "afford" to be swooned by a guy who could be her "right hand man" and not her provider. He got to ride on her coattails. She got someone to support her at home and at the office.

MS was successful only by association. Maybe he felt that he deserved some of the hero worship, from her, and from the world. But the TV shows and magazine covers, the patients, they only cared about her. Maybe he was tired of riding her coattails and wanted to wear the coat. Maybe there were other women who bought into the successful image MS portrayed and made him feel special. Maybe he started having affairs.

At the same time, maybe TS was discovering more and more about MS that made her uncomfortable--really, husband, your best friend is an ex-con meth head who is retired in his early forties to a trailer? Hmmm. So, husband, you told me that you wanted to go to law school, but that never happened. I thought you said you were ambitious w hen we met. Instead I pay for a chef and a nanny and....what exactly is your role again?

Maybe TS considered divorcing MS and told him so. (Maybe sometimes loudly.) But maybe she realized that would rock the kids' world and would also be a financial debacle. She would not only have to pay him monthly, but also now pay for childcare. Maybe she couldn't afford to divorce him. So she decided to stay and make the best of it. It wasn't THAT bad, after all.

Maybe MS promises the woman he's having an affair with that he'll leave his marriage. But, frustratingly, he realizes, he can't. Without TS, he would lose EVERYTHING: the practice, her money, her social cred, her professional cred, the house and pool, and maybe half the time he has with the kids. He would be back to square one, a guy who used to work in a casino, likely in an apt or townhouse, with little money, or more probably, big money problems. A loser in his mind.

Or, WOULD he have to lose everything? Not if something happened to TS. Like, if she interrupted a robbery in their home and got murdered. He could get MORE money than ever with insurance payments and donations from those who loved her through public fundraising. He could continue the practice and live happily ever after and build a life with his affair lady from the proceeds of the murder. Plus, he could even bring attention to the practice through TS's death.

But he'd have to do it himself, and then he could get caught--isn't the husband always the first person LE looks at? Hmmph.

But, then, CWW jokes about his dopey friend JR who fancies himself a hitman. And suddenly the crazy idea of getting rid of his wife seems to make sense. A break in gone wrong. The guy would probably do it for $10k. For a fee, CWW would make it happen and MS wouldn't even have to do anything except make sure TS is at home alone. MS could pay CWW through the practice and so there'd be no trail of the hit. And LE would never suspect a random dude from MO for the break in gone wrong.

Brilliant! Foolproof! Unless you have ever watched one episode of Dateline.

This is exactly what I think happened, I don't even feel that TS had an affair. He had become accustom to the nice life, money, vacations etc, he felt he deserved these things and a divorce would not allow him to keep all these things for himself. And yes, a new gf would quickly lose interest in him if he couldnt be the money bags after a divorce...only one way to keep everything to himself and make enough with life insurance to keep the new gf happy..of course and himself.

 

[SweetT]

It is so odd. My guess would be that if MS is involved, and the sudden pause on the push on FB is indeed the result of the raid on CWW, then MS had to have been tipped off. If CWW and his wife were detained on July 12, and IIRC they were, unlikely they called MS until after July 12. JMO, I'd wager that it was probably LCSO who let MS know they were executing a search warrant at CWW's trailer. Perhaps to cause some 'movement' in the case.

CWW was his best friend, I'm sure the whole Missouri town knew what was going on and some relative of CWW and his wife let MS know. JMO

 

[Sulamith]

Ok, this is the thread for theories, right? Here is mine. All of this is MOO. I have stated this several times in earlier (now closed) threads. TS and MS had the same lover. CWW may have seen emails in the computers between TS and the other person, it may have been revealed by her journals (either written or online) or MS may have figured it out. The "other person" has been playing both ends against the middle. IMO, TS was a cash cow. She was the person that drew the people in. How do you replace that kind of income? You don't. CWW and MS cooked up a scheme. Eliminate TS and pass GO and collect a lot more than 200 dollars. You then turn to , Life insurance, etc. JMO

TS may have been a wonderful and loving person to her patients.. BUT IMO, you cannot give and give forever. She has been described as a spitfire. She was the brains and MS was the gopher, imo. He was tired of the subservient role of chief bag handler and lackey. In the meantime, TS needed more "energy" to continue her medical vision. MS needed a partner in life not just a partner in the office.

So, MS and TS had the same lover. The question will be if the lover was aware that this hit was going down.

All my opinion only.

It has the wow factor and the complications and connectivity.

My speculation:

I also think that TS and MS had the same lover. IMO, that lover was female (Who?) and was pitting MS against TS. She wanted the practice. She knew the hit was going down, probably suggested it. MOO I don't think MS had the capabilities to run it himself. I think the lover picked TS up at the airport and that is why LE still has their van. I wonder if TS was involved with something unethical or possibly illegal, something that might push the envelope in the Wellness/Healing field of practice. Even if she was, of course, she did not deserve to get murdered. MOO

Has it been reported how the whole family got to the airport?
Has LE mentioned anything about security video from the airport?

I am sure I have missed a lot of the discussion.

 

[Riversinthedesert]

My speculation:

I also think that TS and MS had the same lover. IMO, that lover was female (Who?) and was pitting MS against TS. She wanted the practice. She knew the hit was going down, probably suggested it. MOO I don't think MS had the capabilities to run it himself. I think the lover picked TS up at the airport and that is why LE still has their van. I wonder if TS was involved with something unethical or possibly illegal, something that might push the envelope in the Wellness/Healing field of practice. Even if she was, of course, she did not deserve to get murdered. MOO

Has it been reported how the whole family got to the airport?
Has LE mentioned anything about security video from the airport?

I am sure I have missed a lot of the discussion.

LE has specifically stated that there was no illegal activity on the part of TS. It has not been reported as to security footage from the airport, or on the route to the home ow how the family got to the airport.

 

[creepingskills]

CWW was his best friend, I'm sure the whole Missouri town knew what was going on and some relative of CWW and his wife let MS know. JMO

Assuming the entire town knew what the subject of the search was, someone might let MS know. Hopefully they did, because in that case things would be looking really bad for MS. On the other hand, I would think that most people would assume the search was related to drugs (because of CWW's priors) and why bother a grieving husband with this information? What I can't reconcile is that if a relative/friend called MS, they would have to be 'in the know' about a conspiracy involving MS and CWW, and if that is true, calling MS would only connect the dots for LE as to whether MS was involved.

 

[Dushi]

My speculation:

I also think that TS and MS had the same lover. IMO, that lover was female (Who?) and was pitting MS against TS. She wanted the practice. She knew the hit was going down, probably suggested it. MOO I don't think MS had the capabilities to run it himself. I think the lover picked TS up at the airport and that is why LE still has their van. I wonder if TS was involved with something unethical or possibly illegal, something that might push the envelope in the Wellness/Healing field of practice. Even if she was, of course, she did not deserve to get murdered. MOO

Has it been reported how the whole family got to the airport?
Has LE mentioned anything about security video from the airport?

I am sure I have missed a lot of the discussion.

I have not heard anything about airport video, but surely,there must be some
Duntulum, the unverified family member said that TS drove herself home in the van. It is an assumption only that the family traveled to the airport in the van as it was not clarified AFAIK. Two vehicles could have gone to the airport on departure day

 

[IQuestion]

CWW was his best friend, I'm sure the whole Missouri town knew what was going on and some relative of CWW and his wife let MS know. JMO

CWW was his best friend, I'm sure the whole Missouri town knew what was going on and some relative of CWW and his wife let MS know. JMO

THAT WORKS FOR ME!!!! SWEETT But may I "narrow down" two of the items I colored in red above?? My theory "the whole mobile home park" knew. Looks like a vocal community, willing to speak on camera and has ONE main road leading in. A new car (whether Mercedes or Van) with Florida license plates would definitely stand out. I didn't see ANY tall fences around the mobile homes
http://www.nnep.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Safari_Girl_w_Binoculars.jpg
that would impede an inquisitive neighbor from checking out the front or the back entrances of individual abodes.
And, I am "on the fence" about whether or not LE would give MS a heads-up on a FEDERAL RAID INVOLVING WEAPONS....after all, it was not been reported TS was injured by a gun. I am thinking out loud, right now, "Hmmm Feds want the element of surprise....ergo the word "RAID" and "With lethal weapons being involved, no one would risk the life of an ATF agent by spilling the beans in advance."

But I do believe, as you stated someone (rather quickly tipped off) called MS, or sent a "panic word text."
Thank you in advance for letting me "add my thoughts to your post." IQ

 

[No it's not]

Everything we have heard about Dr Sievers is she is one of a kind and not replaceable. She WAS the practice and without her there is none. Thats why I cant understand why he is trying to get another Dr in there and just carry on. JMO but you arent the only one that wouldnt step foot in there again.

..and just carry on.

That may be very well part of a motive. Skinner (MS verified friend,separate thread on WS) mentioned in the other thread, that MS was excited to tell him all about Dr Siever's new TV show, but never did.

It is very possible that Dr S was starting to shift her interest from a private practice to more public appearances (TV Shows, Investment/ Aging/ Health, Health Products ( possible even her own line ?) etc.) and to eventually closing her office or relocating. Her TV gig required her to fly to Texas I believe, but not sure.

That could be completely the opposite of what MS had in mind. She was the sole provider of the family and he controlled it. Moving, closing or anything in between, may not have been in his best interest.

Even now, after her passing, he was/is trying to keep the practice going, ..because he always wanted it to keep going, whatever was going on there..

All my opinion of course.

-Nin

 

[creepingskills]

THAT WORKS FOR ME!!!! SWEETT But may I "narrow down" two of the items I colored in red above?? My theory "the whole mobile home park" knew. Looks like a vocal community, willing to speak on camera and has ONE main road leading in. A new car (whether Mercedes or Van) with Florida license plates would definitely stand out. I didn't see ANY tall fences around the mobile homes
http://www.nnep.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Safari_Girl_w_Binoculars.jpg
that would impede an inquisitive neighbor from checking out the front or the back entrances of individual abodes.
And, I am "on the fence" about whether or not LE would give MS a heads-up on a FEDERAL RAID INVOLVING WEAPONS....after all, it was not been reported TS was injured by a gun. I am thinking out loud, right now, "Hmmm Feds want the element of surprise....ergo the word "RAID" and "With lethal weapons being involved, no one would risk the life of an ATF agent by spilling the beans in advance."

But I do believe, as you stated someone (rather quickly tipped off) called MS, or sent a "panic word text."
Thank you in advance for letting me "add my thoughts to your post." IQ

I need some clarification regarding the raid being federal and ATF involvement? I thought the search of CWW's trailer (July 12) was performed by a SWAT team. The only mention of guns in connection with the search that I'm aware of was a neighbor saying the SWAT team had big guns or something to that effect. I don't recall weapons being removed from CWWs home, is this true?

IMO, if LE was trying to keep the search off the radar, and maintain the element of surprise, they wouldn't have shown up on a Sunday with a SWAT team. My assumption is if LE told MS, it would have been after CWW was in custody on July 12. I wouldn't classify this as a heads up, but more as a LE tactic to induce panic and see where that panic takes MS. For example...LE tells MS we just executed a search in MO and then they watch MS very closely to see if he acts on the info (destroying evidence, lawyering up, etc.).

 

[Dushi]

I need some clarification regarding the raid being federal and ATF involvement? I thought the search of CWW's trailer (July 12) was performed by a SWAT team. The only mention of guns in connection with the search that I'm aware of was a neighbor saying the SWAT team had big guns or something to that effect. I don't recall weapons being removed from CWWs home, is this true?

IMO, if LE was trying to keep the search off the radar, and maintain the element of surprise, they wouldn't have shown up on a Sunday with a SWAT team. My assumption is if LE told MS, it would have been after CWW was in custody on July 12. I wouldn't classify this as a heads up, but more as a LE tactic to induce panic and see where that panic takes MS. For example...LE tells MS we just executed a search in MO and then they watch MS very closely to see if he acts on the info (destroying evidence, lawyering up, etc.).

Neighbors say about two weeks after Sievers was found dead in Bonita Springs, a SWAT team raided Wright’s trailer 1,200 miles away.

“I seen like 20 SWAT guys or so… flak jackets and a whole lot of rifles. And a lot of cops walking around,” said Darren Smith, Wright’s next door neighbor.

http://www.winknews.com/2015/08/31/neighbors-swat-raided-sievers-murder-suspects-home-in-july/

 

[SweetT]

The mobile home park would have been all abuzz with a swat team like that. My cousin lived in a mobile home park in MO not this one but she had other relatives also in that mobile home park as well as friends etc.. If something like that would have happened the word would have flown fast. I probably would have even gotten a text from one of my relatives. So I can see how MS would have been notified pretty darn quickly.

 

[Sulamith]

..and just carry on.

That may be very well part of a motive. Skinner (MS verified friend,separate thread on WS) mentioned in the other thread, that MS was excited to tell him all about Dr Siever's new TV show, but never did.

It is very possible that Dr S was starting to shift her interest from a private practice to more public appearances (TV Shows, Investment/ Aging/ Health, Health Products ( possible even her own line ?) etc.) and to eventually closing her office or relocating. Her TV gig required her to fly to Texas I believe, but not sure.

That could be completely the opposite of what MS had in mind. She was the sole provider of the family and he controlled it. Moving, closing or anything in between, may not have been in his best interest.

Even now, after her passing, he was/is trying to keep the practice going, ..because he always wanted it to keep going, whatever was going on there..

All my opinion of course.

-Nin

Very possible, IMO. I think infomercials are tacky and I find it a bit curious that TS was going in that direction. However, if she developed her own line of products and shopped them to QVC or some other shopping channel, I think it would be a step up, give her products more credibility and bring in a whole lot of $$. MOO

 

[SweetT]

Very possible, IMO. I think infomercials are tacky and I find it a bit curious that TS was going in that direction. However, if she developed her own line of products and shopped them to QVC or some other shopping channel, I think it would be a step up, give her products more credibility and bring in a whole lot of $$. MOO

Yep, and she would no longer need the office manager, she'd have some other agent I'm sure. HMMM So could be some motive here.

 

[Dushi]

Yep, and she would no longer need the office manager, she'd have some other agent I'm sure. HMMM So could be some motive here.

Yes, but he would still be her husband and father of her children
I don't know what the motive is, but for me, its far more complicated than MS being left behind in a professional way JMO

 

[SeesSeas]

..and just carry on.

That may be very well part of a motive. Skinner (MS verified friend,separate thread on WS) mentioned in the other thread, that MS was excited to tell him all about Dr Siever's new TV show, but never did.

It is very possible that Dr S was starting to shift her interest from a private practice to more public appearances (TV Shows, Investment/ Aging/ Health, Health Products ( possible even her own line ?) etc.) and to eventually closing her office or relocating. Her TV gig required her to fly to Texas I believe, but not sure.

That could be completely the opposite of what MS had in mind. She was the sole provider of the family and he controlled it. Moving, closing or anything in between, may not have been in his best interest.

Even now, after her passing, he was/is trying to keep the practice going, ..because he always wanted it to keep going, whatever was going on there..

All my opinion of course.

-Nin

^^^ That may be very well part of a motive. Skinner (MS verified friend,separate thread on WS) mentioned in the other thread, that MS was excited to tell him all about Dr Siever's new TV show, but never did.^^^


But, MS did, according to Skinner's posts, MS "always wanted to talk about it" ('it' = "quite an opportunistic cable TV channel gig).
And Skinner wrote MS "would want to talk to me about all those business details."
Skinner also wrote "The guy could never stop speaking wonderful things about TS in the 10 or 11 years of their marriage."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rs-46-***READ-ONLY***&p=12030237#post12030237
MS and TS had just landed quite an opportunistic cable TV channel gig, and MS always wanted to talk about it. The owner of the network had selected TS over the other tough competition, and this was another neat thing he was excited about. When the owner, or top executive, saw how she handled herself the first time he met her, he made up his mind right on the spot.
MS was involved with a fair amount of the business end of this, and he would want to talk to me about all those business details, and well...... money is not a motivational reason for MS to commit murder, or have it done.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rs-46-***READ-ONLY***&p=12030137#post12030137
The guy could never stop speaking wonderful things about TS in the 10 or 11 years of their marriage. He was so proud of her and I had to ask him to change the subject sometimes over the past 10 years, because he was so proud of her and always boasting about her.

 

[IQuestion]

POSTED BY CREEPINGSKILLS: (and somehow I didn't insert the quote correctly) I need some clarification regarding the raid being federal and ATF involvement? I thought the search of CWW's trailer (July 12) was performed by a SWAT team. The only mention of guns in connection with the search that I'm aware of was a neighbor saying the SWAT team had big guns or something to that effect. I don't recall weapons being removed from CWWs home, is this true?

IMO, if LE was trying to keep the search off the radar, and maintain the element of surprise, they wouldn't have shown up on a Sunday with a SWAT team. My assumption is if LE told MS, it would have been after CWW was in custody on July 12. I wouldn't classify this as a heads up, but more as a LE tactic to induce panic and see where that panic takes MS. For example...LE tells MS we just executed a search in MO and then they watch MS very closely to see if he acts on the info (destroying evidence, lawyering up, etc.).



Thanks CSkills...I just realized "my assumption" was probably wrong. (And that has NEVER happened to me before:what I don't know which agency (except SWAT was used in MSM stories)
"Scott did confirm that his office was involved in a SWAT raid of Wright’s trailer in Hillsboro, Missouri on July 12."
http://www.winknews.com/2015/09/04/...w-sievers-murder-suspect-was-linked-to-crime/
(SWAT ??= situations that require increased firepower or specialized tactics. The officers in a SWAT unit have undergone special training and have access to an arsenal of weaponry, armor and surveillance devices beyond standard-issue police gear.) It sure would be a "surprise raid ffor me on a Sunday afternoon." Now that you wisely pointed out the difference....JRR is in Federal custody & CWW in state custody...is this intentional to "keep them apart" even though they have both been charged with the same murder?
ONE more question: Curtis Wayne Wright, 47, of Hillsboro, and Jimmy Ray Rodgers, 25, ... Wright, of Cadet, Mo., were charged with murder in the death of a Florida ... Wright's residence in Hillsboro is 23 miles from Rogers in Cadet. Did anybody else notice sometimes HILLSBORO and sometimes CADET are mentioned as residence.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_b8672306-02b3-5b61-ade6-0f788059f929.html

 

[SweetT]

^^^ That may be very well part of a motive. Skinner (MS verified friend,separate thread on WS) mentioned in the other thread, that MS was excited to tell him all about Dr Siever's new TV show, but never did.^^^


But, MS did, according to Skinner's posts, MS "always wanted to talk about it" ('it' = "quite an opportunistic cable TV channel gig).
And Skinner wrote MS "would want to talk to me about all those business details."
Skinner also wrote "The guy could never stop speaking wonderful things about TS in the 10 or 11 years of their marriage."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rs-46-***READ-ONLY***&p=12030237#post12030237
MS and TS had just landed quite an opportunistic cable TV channel gig, and MS always wanted to talk about it. The owner of the network had selected TS over the other tough competition, and this was another neat thing he was excited about. When the owner, or top executive, saw how she handled herself the first time he met her, he made up his mind right on the spot.
MS was involved with a fair amount of the business end of this, and he would want to talk to me about all those business details, and well...... money is not a motivational reason for MS to commit murder, or have it done.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rs-46-***READ-ONLY***&p=12030137#post12030137
The guy could never stop speaking wonderful things about TS in the 10 or 11 years of their marriage. He was so proud of her and I had to ask him to change the subject sometimes over the past 10 years, because he was so proud of her and always boasting about her.

Sometimes it sucks when you can't be proud of yourself KWIM?

 

[creepingskills]

The mobile home park would have been all abuzz with a swat team like that. My cousin lived in a mobile home park in MO not this one but she had other relatives also in that mobile home park as well as friends etc.. If something like that would have happened the word would have flown fast. I probably would have even gotten a text from one of my relatives. So I can see how MS would have been notified pretty darn quickly.

ITA with word spreading fast in close knit communities, and I'm sure the SWAT team showing up was quite a spectacle to see. What I'm still wondering though, is how the community would have any idea that the search was related to a murder investigation and/or MS. Maybe someone alerted MS because of his association with CWW, but given the lack of information surrounding the search (warrant isn't public yet, did not result in arrest) this person probably had inside information. Maybe there is another "brother" in MO. IDK.

I wonder why they held CWW for 3 days.

 

[Dushi]

ITA with word spreading fast in close knit communities, and I'm sure the SWAT team showing up was quite a spectacle to see. What I'm still wondering though, is how the community would have any idea that the search was related to a murder investigation and/or MS. Maybe someone alerted MS because of his association with CWW, but given the lack of information surrounding the search (warrant isn't public yet, did not result in arrest) this person probably had inside information. Maybe there is another "brother" in MO. IDK.

I wonder why they held CWW for 3 days.

One article I read said he was released in 12 hours.
Was he detained twice?


Wright was initially arrested as detectives waited for a warrant in the case to be filed. He was booked into jail at 6 a.m. July 12, only to be released more than 12 hours later.

http://www.abc-7.com/story/29962990...-released-prior-to-murder-charge#.VfCZ_xFVikp