Emirates airlines crash lands at Dubai

[emirates1957]

Hi !

I as wondering where were you were! Nice to see you Nex t time your with a capt ask him to rate the lilkihood that wind shear or microburst is gonna be a big player if you will TIA,

I thought that were not configured in the begining until I heard the ATC recorders. But then it was like this is not the movie AIrplane, i really dont think ATC is using binnculars and checking out for extended lear!! So was the go around cause of windshear alert in the tower, or a microburst .

Cant remember where I read it - but there were about 200 feet variations very close to touchdown. It was like 400 ft back to 600 back to 300 ( something like that) which made me think windshear/microburst. But then little tid bits started - they did a missed once before the crash, then the windshear alerts for two hour peroid before accident flight,


I do not know anything about your investigative branch for aviation. Are they tranparent. Do they withhold info? Cause its govt tun airline are they gonna play EgyptAir BS? Starting to wonder, it has a quick acess recorder- they would have been able to pull and read that by now I would think?

It is so hard to imagine them not getting a gear warning, in that configuration, at that height . Poor flight crew, I think that end its gonna fall on them, failure to ascertain go around climb established? Not handling a aborted approach?

While at the same time ignoring , that they two did an amazing job at some level also! moo

Tell us tell us what what the pros are discussing!! TIA

Hi there,

My little buddy is on his way to Japan. He looked at the weather and their was definitely no microburst etc He is going with crew fatigue. Apparently at 800FT bells and whistles would be going off regarding landing gear deployment. I started up EK from scratch with 5 others in 1996 and were with them for 6 years. You will see total transparency with this lot. Apparently the F/O was an Aussie without many hours.

 

[emirates1957]

Just found out the Pilot used to work for us. I have been told by one of our crew he went to QF ....for a short time and was offered a stint in DXB with EK or perhaps face redundancy.

 

[CARIIS]

off she goes

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIrzM5pAQOR/

Goodness it was 120 degrees at the time of accident

during a hot sunny day, the aircraft needs more runway, faster approach, and poor climb rate. An uninformed or unsuspecting pilot can face a disastrous situation when hot and high combine. Aerodynamically speaking, high elevation and high temperature creates a situation where the performance of a plane is reduced. With reduced fuel-air mixture, the Hp output of the engine also decreases.
The power of the engine is also affected by high humidity. The reduced power is due to the enric

They said both had about 7000 hrs

The FAA's new Federal Aviation Regulation puts a limitation for 1,000 hours in any 365 consecutive calendar day period, but there is also a limit of 100 hours in any 672 consecutive hours (28 days). So, in order to have a commercial carrier pay you to fly that much, you could accumulate 2000 hours in 2 years. That's a lot of flying, though. You'd essentially have to give up any sort of life outside of sleeping and flying.


https://www.quora.com/How-many-years-will-it-take-for-a-pilot-to-accumulate-2000-hours-of-flying


Microburst: Trecherous- after DL 191 crashed in TX they made lots of progress in training pilots how to get out of one. Its very messy, your airspeed drops, being pushed down,then everything switches on them , they get pushed up. Going down increases speed, going up decreases it - close to the ground this is a real mess!

So they will try to respond to increased speed, (slow down - less lift) , then they get smushed down, so they try to go up which messes up wind over the wings. Just a mess............................

I dont understand this part totally, but on the 777 they have autothrottle. Aisina AIr crashed in San Fran, and there was stuff about the crew did not know that the auto throttle will make it harder for engines to respond to commands.

If you look at the pics, it does look like she hit tail first - there are tail scrape marks on her. San Fran the tail came off. San Fran was 777 also, there were survivors also, and fire broke out as well-- one hell of a bird!!!

windshear

https://www.google.com/search?



http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/united-arab-emirates/dubai/historic

http://theatlasgroup.biz/temperature-humidity-affect-aircraft-performance/

 

[CARIIS]

Tried to delete the other two -- this is from DL 191 and shows what a mess it can be

Google images

And, if you look at the updraft, it would make sense that the flight crew thought they had establlished a positive climb rate, when it was really the updraft - then when they fly through that lift BUT the engines had not spooled up yet and down she would go

For some reason I am hung up on it being related to microburst/windshear event!! Just mo not buying the tower telling them their landing gear was not down! On the tape you hear the controller order the go around, makes it more sudden than pilot intiated. There are windshear alerts in ATC controll towers

only speculating here

short DL 191 animation (rain does not matter - micro can happen in clear skies)

I thought the music was completly OFF!!!!! Bizaire



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIM-QC4IXbI

 

[Zuri]

Thank you so much for putting all this info on here. I knew to come here to find the "real story" versus the news. You all are amazing!

I would love to fly on this airline to say the least as the 1st class accommodation pics were amazing. Is business class like this as well?

I couldn't get over the people getting their luggage. Didn't this happen in San Francisco too when the plane tail hit the end of the runway? The flight attendant was using her "ER" voice as I call it to get passengers out. We use that tone when we have a total multi disaster trauma situation in the ER. Know it well. I have used it at the Egg Custard stand too lol.

 

[emirates1957]

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...i/news-story/a0a918eafb6c26456c7bcb9649f0fd2d

http://www.wsj.com/articles/dubai-airport-reopens-on-restricted-basis-after-crash-1470301337

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/emirates-plane-crash-fire-live-8550369

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...QA4B0AQMwhPKBAwEA&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=351&w=624

http://abcnews.go.com/International...llations-dubai-airport-crash-landing-41112622
http://thenewdaily.com.au/life/travel/2016/08/04/emirates-boeing-777-crash-landing/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/emirates-plane-crash-fire-live-8550369
http://www.thenational.ae/opinion/editorial/a-close-call-underscores-airline-safety

Tid Bits

[FONT=&]14 were taken to hospital with “cuts and bruises”.

[/FONT][FONT=&]14,500ft runway--[/FONT][FONT=&]one of the longest in the world.

[/FONT][FONT=&]Wind shear is a potentially hazardous condition involving sudden and unpredictable changes in wind direction or speed. Up then down or down then up ---tailwind then headwind--or headwind then tailwind a serious issue when close to land

[/FONT][FONT=&]Windshear at altititude is called clear air turbulance but they have time to react to it

Firfighter [/FONT][FONT=&]hundreds of people gathered to pay tribute to the beloved son and funeral done

[/FONT][FONT=&]Airport has announced it is expected to stay “in recovery mode” for a further 48 hours.

[/FONT][FONT=&]The disruption of normal operations yesterday affected a total of 19,000 passengers

[/FONT][FONT=&]A total of 116 arriving and 121 departing flights were cancelled, 44 inbound flights were diverted

airport folks providing free refrehments and water

shuttle buses being used to move people around

[/FONT]No request was made for emergency services to standby and the crew informed the tower of a go around only to land suddenly

Passengers were not told there was a problem before landing[FONT=&]

[/FONT][FONT=&] one runway in use [/FONT]

[FONT=&]unlimited Wi Fi to help people stay in touch [/FONT]

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[/FONT][FONT=&]Jeremy Webb, from Australia, was the First Officer [/FONT][FONT=&] 7,000 hours of flying experience at the time of yesterday’s disaster.

[/FONT]First Officer Webb moved to Dubai with wife Alex a year ago to work for Emirates, a partner of Australian carrier Qantas.

Pilots would never land with unsafe gear — there’s all kinds of procedures you would do — you would fly around, you’d dump fuel, you’d burn off, you’d have emergency services standing by; so this was not an expected emergency,”

Landing the triple 7 :
“You don’t need to judge it, a voice calls out the real height above ground and all you do as they call 30, is you check back a little on the control panel and the plane lands itself,”

it would be unusual for the aircraft not to fly around Air Traffic Control to let them inspect the landing gear, if the crew had been aware of a problem.

s no certainty the findings would be made public, he said.
“Emirates will do whatever they can to keep their reputation.”

highly unlikely pilot fatigue

“Three aeroplanes a month are delivered and we just have to keep cancelling leave and revising flight duty rules,

Access to the airline’s crew website which includes rostering information and contact phone numbers was shut down immediately after Wednesday’s crash

world’s fourth-largest carrier. Though no U.S. airlines fly there, Emirates has frequent-flier partnerships with U.S. carriers JetBlue, Alaska Airlines and Virgin America.

passengers may not be in a position to take legal action against Emirates for psychological distress and trauma.
“That can only occur if (the mental distress) arises out of a bodily injury suffered in the incident,” Mr Janson said.

compensation for destroyed luggage — of up to $2088 a piece — if a claim was made within three-weeks of the crash

[FONT=&]crash is the first time an aircraft operated by Emirates appears to have been damaged beyond repair since it was founded in the 1980s

[FONT=&]The ground staff were amazing within seconds the ambulance took us away from the flights.

[/FONT][FONT=&]The engine blew away right after landing.

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[FONT=&]The Boeing 777 is “the backbone of our fleet”, according the Emirates. The airline is the world’s biggest operator of Boeing’s 777 models, and is the only airline to fly all six different models, reports.....flies 157 Boeing 777s to 109 destinations around the world.

[/FONT][FONT=&] world’s biggest airline by international traffic

[/FONT][FONT=&]last notable incident involving an Emirates plane was in March 2009: An [/FONT]Airbus Group SE[FONT=&] A340 hit its tail on takeoff from Melbourne, with no fatalities.

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accordance with the international protocol governing aviation accident investigations, all inquiries about the investigation must be directed to the United Arab Emirates General Civil Aviation Authority.

[/FONT]American and British investigators will participate in the probe because the Boeing plane was built in the U.S. and was powered by British-made Rolls-Royce Trent 800 engines.


preliminary report on the crash within a month.

[FONT=&]three-hour flight

[/FONT]special fire-resistant material used inside the aircraft that does not produce toxic fumes, and seats that are reinforced to withstand extreme force

Airlines operating 777s include Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, Air France, Emirates and United Airlines,

only three fatal accidents in more than 20 years of service, according to Airline Ratings. Of those three accidents, two were either the fault of crew error (a 2013 Air Asiana crash in San Francisco) or extraneous circumstances (Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot out of the sky). (plus MH370.)

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Remember seeing the tail incident at MEL Airport. Thank you so much for your amazing information and reporting. BRILLIANT !!!

 

[KaaBoom]

[video=youtube;avSKJ2L5j0I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avSKJ2L5j0I[/video]

 

[CARIIS]

| Aug 6, 2016, 01.38 AM IST

Sudden change in wind pattern led to Emirates jet's crash-landing

• Sudden change in wind pattern led to Emirates jet's crash-landing in Dubai
• The ATC recording shows that the Boeing-777 was coming in to land normally, but then it conducted a go-around
• The Dubai Airport and its vicinity were witnessing a 'wind shear' at the time of landing

The EK-521 pilot's "read-back" of the ATC instructions, which basically means that the pilot had correctly understood ...... suggest anything amiss up till that point as their voice is perfectly normal. Go-arounds are a common thing in aviation.

Temporary changes of up to 120 degrees in wind direction (wind shear) were being reported.

........led to a sudden loss of airspeed during the critical go-around manoeuvre and prevented the aircraft getting safely airborne again,.......


corroborated by the eyewitness account of a pilot who was waiting on a taxiway . His report : "She (EK-521) was about 30/40 (ft) from the ground with nose-up attitude. Her attitude confused us. We were discussing this, and we saw she is struggling to climb (landing gear were down). At a point, the struggle to climb stopped, for a brief moment levelled out, and then slowly she came down," the pilot said ........

the accident happened when the temperature in Dubai was about 49°C and the pressure was low ----. factors that adversely impact aircraft engine performance.......

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Sudden-change-in-wind-pattern-led-to-Emirates-jets-crash-landing/articleshow/53565541.cms

THey had access to the quick access recording in 9 minutes-- so they would have been able to tell that this is a windsheer event-- and thus far have said nothing.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christi...rated-in-emirates-crash-landing/#16093749457d

 

[CARIIS]

(landing gear were down) from the pilot eyewitness on the taxiway. If ya look at this pic, the front set of doors for the nose landing gear is open.

Google image

Now look at this video -of the two sets of doors that open and close -the rear ones close first. From this still pic it seems as if these are the front panels. It would make sense then, that the wheels were in the process of being retracted, for the go around attempt- at the time of the crash. Also , it takes about 13 seconds for the cycle to complete.

It also , from the way she is resting, (and that no front landing gear were seen sheared off in the photos) that the wheels were in the nosegear bay at the start of the impact sequence. If extended they most likly would have sheared from impact forces.

The tail skid on the tail seems to appear like she hit hit tail first, which would also make the front part of the plane actual impact less severe, which might explain why the doors themselves did not sheer off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxjEsmVzI_c

Here is the tail strike

Here is one in real life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIuFzi83Lr4

The locations are very similiar in that it does not happen on the very end tip - could not figure another way to say it !!

 

[CARIIS]

I am wondering if the auto throttle is going to enter this scanario??

The Aisiana flight crew truly had no clue how it works,when it did what etc on same aircraft type.

It was actually quite astonishing!!

 

[CARIIS]

Yea!

[FONT=&amp]The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board is sending a five-person team to assist with the investigation

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]This is a situation where it looks very much like the aircraft was landing with gear up. It does appear this was a belly flop,”

[/FONT]Boeing’s 777 model [FONT=&amp]is the largest twin-engine airliner in production

[/FONT]http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2016/08/09/422759.htm

neato!!



http://www.wimp.com/timelapse-one-hour-at-the-airport/

Study Shows Worldwide Commercial Air Crashes Are Growing


http://www.aviationpros.com/news/12242368/study-shows-worldwide-commercial-air-crashes-are-growing

 

[CARIIS]

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2016/08/emirates-plane-crash-survivor-gets-lucky-wins-1-million-dollar-sweepstakes/?

 

[GeeEm]

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2016/08/emirates-plane-crash-survivor-gets-lucky-wins-1-million-dollar-sweepstakes/?

------------------ADDING TO CARIIS

August 10, 2016

Then the call telling him he had won $1 million.

"I said, 'Don't joke!'" the 62-year-old Indian recounted, laughing inside the auto-body repair shop where he works in Dubai. "They said, 'Yes, you are the winner!' I said, 'No!'"

Basheer won Dubai Duty Free's Millennium Millionaire sweepstakes Tuesday with a ticket he purchased July 6, just before he boarded an Emirates flight to head to India's Kerala state and his hometown of Pallickal.

Duty Free's Millennium Millionaire sweepstakes Tuesday with a ticket he purchased July 6, just before he boarded an Emirates flight to head to India's Kerala state and his hometown of Pallickal.

He believes the dirham ($270) ticket, No. 845 in Series M222, was his 17th attempt to win the sweepstake.

Yet perhaps his luckiest numbers were yet to come as he boarded Emirates flight EK521 on Aug. 3 to return to Dubai. Sitting in seat 26G, Basheer said the flight passed normally for the 300 onboard until the Boeing 777-300 attempted to land at Dubai International Airport, the world's busiest international airfield.




http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/08/10/survivor-dubai-airline-crash-landing-wins-1m-in-lottery.html

 

[CARIIS]

Pretty amazing stuff here!!

[video=youtube;NdZ02-Qenso]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdZ02-Qenso&list=PL-1E9_2P6o_ftlc9JgDSZMRN9C--K9y0J&index=27[/video]

 

[CARIIS]

sudden, powerful change in wind direction was a primary cause.......

NDTV has exclusively accessed the "Event Summary" .

The pilots write of deciding on a go-around - a routine procedure which involves a second attempt at landing.


"During flare, (when they pull up for the nose to rise before front gear touchs runway) updraft caused the a/c [aircraft] to float till after the end of the touchdown zone, we decided to G/A [go around]." In other words, the gusting winds meant the pilots were unable to land the jet safely at the spot on the runway they had chosen. With the length of the runway running out, they opted to abort the landing for the "go around".

It was here that things went disastrously wrong. Shear is a potentially hazardous condition involving sudden and unpredictable changes in wind direction or speed.

The pilots write that initially, the go-around appeared to be working but then, "Speed dropped rapidly [wind shear]. wind shear procedure was done, however the A/C crash landed on the RW and skidded off

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An Emirates flight from Thiruvananthapuram crash-landed at the Dubai airport last week

NEW DELHI: [h=2]HIGHLIGHTS[/h]

1. NDTV accesses pilots account of seconds before crash-landing
2. Pilots speak of tough wind conditions, 300 on board
3. Pilots attempted go-around (aborted first attempt at landing)

[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif] When an Emirates flight from Thiruvananthapuram crash-landed at the Dubai airport last week, a sudden, powerful change in wind direction was a primary cause.[/FONT]

[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]NDTV has exclusively accessed the "Event Summary" of the accident filed by the pilots of the Boeing 777, which spells out the details of the final moments before the[/FONT]plane crashed to a halt[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif] partly on its belly, one of its Rolls Royce engines having been torn off the wing of the jet. [/FONT]

[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]There were nearly 300 passengers and crew on board, most of them from Kerala, who were evacuated seconds before the plane went up in flames.[/FONT]


[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]The pilots write of deciding on a go-around - a routine procedure which involves a second attempt at landing.[/FONT]

[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]"During flare, updraft caused the a/c [aircraft] to float till after the end of the touchdown zone, we decided to G/A [go around]." In other words, the gusting winds meant the pilots were unable to land the jet safely at the spot on the runway they had chosen. With the length of the runway running out, they opted to abort the landing for the "go around".[/FONT]
[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[COLOR=#666666 !important]NDTV accesses pilots account of seconds before crash-landing
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[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]It was here that things went disastrously wrong. Shear is a potentially hazardous condition involving sudden and unpredictable changes in wind direction or speed. Very often, wind shear conditions are impossible to detect by any systems even on modern aircraft.[/FONT]

[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]The pilots write that initially, the go-around appeared to be working but then, "Speed dropped rapidly below the top of amber band due to W/S [wind shear]. W/S proc [wind shear procedure] was done, however the A/C [aircraft] crash landed on the RW [runway] and skidded off it to come to a complete stop off the R/W [runway] with fire and fumes covering the whole A/C [aircraft]."[/FONT]
[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif] [/FONT]
[COLOR=#666666 !important]Emirates Airline flight after it crash-landed at Dubai International Airport on August 3, 2016.

What it means is this: the aircraft seemed to be gaining altitude which is why the undercarriage (landing gear) was retracted. But then, the aircraft did not continue to climb away as expected because of wind shear conditions....... Boeing 777's air speed dropped rapidly, and the aircraft crashed and skidded off the runway before coming to a complete stop.
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[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif] needs to apply full power to the two engines of the jet while raising the nose of the aircraft to 15 degrees or until such time as there is an in-cockpit warning indicating that the aircraft is in danger of stalling. [/FONT]

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[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]But instead, the two engines of the Emirates 777 were probably at their lowest power setting at the point of landing. .... it could take between four and eight seconds ...up to maximum thrust, which would allow it to break free of the wind shear. By the time the engines likely did that, it was too late - the aircraft had already crashed.[/FONT]

[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/exclusive-emirates-pilots-list-the-seconds-before-dubai-crash-landing-1443021[/FONT]

 

[CARIIS]

I alerted on the post - sorry about the mess guys - had no idea it did that until today!!

 

[gregjrichards]

Thanks for all your updates cariis. I still can't believe the stupidity of the passengers getting their overhead luggage when the plane has crash landed and is on fire.

 

[CARIIS]

Thanks for all your updates cariis. I still can't believe the stupidity of the passengers getting their overhead luggage when the plane has crash landed and is on fire.

YW!

I cant believe people were holding up there cell phones while going down the slide - kinda big plane --high up -- i would be more concerned about getting a boo boo when I hit the ground even if I had a cell - I would not be shooting video its unreal to me

same thing with the mall yesterday, a mom dad two kids in a car, and dad gets out and stands there filming while his family is in the car right behind him, kooky times !!!

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.airlive.net/video-manual-pushback-by-hand-at-bodo-airport/

 

[Roselvr]

Thanks for all your updates cariis. I still can't believe the stupidity of the passengers getting their overhead luggage when the plane has crash landed and is on fire.

I don't think the passengers knew the plane had a small fire. I doubt it would change anything if they did. I read something a few weeks ago that said more people then not get their luggage in situations like this. I would most likely grab mine too, especially if it's right next to me. I don't know, it's been years since I traveled.