FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #23

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Okay, we're going to try this again.

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Reminder:

Dale Jr. and Dale Sr. are both sleuthable.

Dale Jr. has been named a suspect by LE. That means they feel he is most likely responsible for Michelle's disappearance. The reason he hasn't been arrested yet is the state attorneys must not feel they have enough physical and/or circumstantial evidence yet to secure a conviction at trial. I don't want to read any more semantics games re: suspect v. guilt. Guilt is determined by a jury at trial and obviously that would be after an arrest is made and charges are filed. So, stop it now. I see straight through these games. None of that has one iota with FINDING MICHELLE. I'm not putting up with anymore of it. Not by those who instigate it, nor those who participate in response.

That said, feel free to post any plausible theories based on facts where you believe LE may be on the wrong track. I have no problem with fresh eyes considering other possibilites, but make sure you are basing them on factual information.

This thread is about Michelle Parker. MICHELLE. It is not about personal issues between members here. This thread will be moderated in the best interest of locating Michelle. Period. If your foremost concern is not locating Michelle, then you should not even be participating in the discussion here. Very simple.
 
Thank you, Beach, for bringing things back into perspective and allowing us to give Michelle the respect and consideration she deserves in these difficult times. You are gracious and understanding.

Never stop trying, never stop looking, and never give up!
NST, NSL & NGU!
 
Thank you Beach for opening the thread back up and allowing us to work on finding Michelle once again. It is very much appreciated and so is all the work you mods do.
 
In June, on the last thread I posted something like this:

Possible time line based on premeditation and Little Dale acting without informed accomplices:

3:18 - 4:10 at condo. (neighbors video & DS Jr. statement)
Plenty of time to disable Michelle [bragged of only taking 5 seconds to kill], restrain her, transfer twins to truck, remove Glow sticker.

4:10 - 4:40 in transit to Rose Blvd. (DS Jr. statement) (includes time for "Waterford" text)

4:40 - 4:50 at Rose Blvd residence. ("witness")

4:50 - 5:20 in transit from Rose Blvd to Carter Glen in work truck that had been left at Rose Blvd.

5:20 - 6:00 at condo.
Enough time to finish removing Glow sticker, move disabled Michelle into Hummer, clean and package evidence to be disposed of en route or later.

6:00 - 7:30 in transit to Walden Palms. Veers off course and drives approximately 6-8 (10?) miles in any direction off route to drop off Michelle. Stays up to 30 minutes at drop off site. Returns to route. (30 min from condo to Walden Palms, 15 minutes off course to disposal site, 15 minutes back to route, 30 minutes at site)
Plenty of time to bury Michelle in prepared grave.

7:30-7:45 unsuspecting individual drives him from Millennia Mall to Rose Blvd.

7:45 - 8:00 receives call "informing" him of Michelle's disappearance and leaves Rose Blvd, taking Nela Bridge route. Throws iPhone off the bridge on the way back to the Condo.


This would mean Michelle is located within the following conservative oval defined by these points:


14502 Islamorada Dr

8026 Vineland Ave

9162 Kilgore Rd

540 Dean Creek Ln

5410 Old Cheney Hwy

602 Chase Rd

Health Central Hospital

Lock Cemetery

1220 Rhode Island Woods Circle

Lake Baldwin

1807 Windermere Blvd, Lake Butler

Health Central Hospital

Lawne Lake

Lake Adair

7393 Chase Rd

East end of Lee Vista

8294 Lake Underhill Rd

11390 Moss Park Rd

Mud Lake

12005 County Road 15
 
GrammaMaybe, you read my mind!

I too think that she is in an area within the three 'points'. DJr., DSr. and where the Hummer was found. UNLESS there wasn't a 'thorough' search of those three places within 24hrs. Then, who knows.

jmo
 
GrammaMaybe, you read my mind!

I too think that she is in an area within the three 'points'. DJr., DSr. and where the Hummer was found. UNLESS there wasn't a 'thorough' search of those three places within 24hrs. Then, who knows.

jmo

BBM

I think she was placed somewhere temporarily, then moved within the first 48 hrs and probably very far away.
 
GrammaMaybe, you read my mind!

I too think that she is in an area within the three 'points'. DJr., DSr. and where the Hummer was found. UNLESS there wasn't a 'thorough' search of those three places within 24hrs. Then, who knows.

jmo

This is the area that I think the police have been searching for Michelle from day 1, which is probably within a two miles radius of the triangular area defined by MP's house, Dale's condo and Walden Palms since that follows the known trajectory of the Hummer. That is of course assuming that who's responsible for the disappearance is a local, and operated within a restricted time frame, if not then the area might be considerably larger. Since that IMO it is likely that the Hummer was not used in the commission of the crime (save for taking Michelle from it) then the question is obviously what vehicle was used to actually transport Michelle which in this case was probably a van or a similar vehicle, and whether or not there is more then one perp involved, with more then one IMO being likely here since it might be very difficult to operate two vehicles at two different times from two different geographical points.

However, If only one perp did this and still assuming that the Hummer is not used to transport Michelle, than Walden Palms is probably the epicenter of the crime and Michelle is not that far from there, and possibility extremely close to it. JMO
 
Let's take the water angle - just trying to break it down...

There are lots of lakes and canals around there and the phone was found in a lake... Many of these have been searched (according to map on 1st page.)

If she were in a lake, she would have to have been weighted down (she has not surfaced yet as far as we know.)

What would be used? An anchor, a cement block? If she was only anchored in one spot (arm/leg whatever) would decomp cause her to, um, separate?

Would she be wrapped in a bag or visqueen or a tarp or a blanket?

We know Michelle is missing and probably deceased. What are the reasons for her not being found - what would hinder her discovery?

Just trying to stir up ideas here. If we figure out what didn't happen (for example, body left in the open for anyone to find), maybe we can narrow it down.

We are still looking Michelle!

jmo
 
This is the area that I think the police have been searching for Michelle from day 1, which is probably within a two miles radius of the triangular area defined by MP's house, Dale's condo and Walden Palms since that follows the known trajectory of the Hummer. That is of course assuming that who's responsible for the disappearance is a local, and operated within a restricted time frame, if not then the area might be considerably larger. Since that IMO it is likely that the Hummer was not used in the commission of the crime (save for taking Michelle from it) then the question is obviously what vehicle was used to actually transport Michelle which in this case was probably a van or a similar vehicle, and whether or not there is more then one perp involved, with more then one IMO being likely here since it might be very difficult to operate two vehicles at two different times from two different geographical points.

However, If only one perp did this and still assuming that the Hummer is not used to transport Michelle, than Walden Palms is probably the epicenter of the crime and Michelle is not that far from there, and possibility extremely close to it. JMO


Using the 2 mile radius theory - This is the area I mentioned a few posts back and is about 2.5 miles from where the hummer was found. Look at the NE and NW side of the intersection and the wooded areas there. The NE side is the woods where the homeless camp is. Still curious if anyone knows if these areas have been searched?
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=amer...=us&ei=h69PUP7_D5TA9gT5wYCADw&ved=0CCEQ8gEwAA
 
According to the map on the first page, this is not listed as 'searched', but the canal and retention pond just south of it has.


hth
 
The area next to the condo and across from Walmart is now in the process of being developed. When I drove by there this past Sat., they had the bulldozers out clearing the land.
 
Thank you Beach for reopening the thread. Thank you also for bringing it back to the purpose of why we are here and allowing us to continue to try to help in the search for Michelle and for the answers as to why she is no longer with her family and why no one as of yet has been held accountable for her disappearance and likely death.

I thourght this might be a good time to do a brief summary of what has been reported in MSM and what has been discussed so far on this board but since we are on thread 23 it didn't turn out that brief at all. I apologize in advance for the rather lengthy summary.


Michelle sent a text to her boyfriend NM at 3:15pm on November 17, 2011 while approaching DSJr‘s condo to drop off the children. It was a loving text to let him know she was thinking of him. He replied with some emoticons and we do not know the exact time of his reply text. She never responded back to that reply. Not that there was any text to respond to but it was her that started the exchange so you think she might have wanted to continue it or to at least have sent some emoticons back to him. She also did not respond to a later text from NM. We do not know the time of that later text from NM.

Michelle pulled up to the condo at 3:18pm. This was not originally known by anyone other than LE until about 10 days later. DSJr told at least her family that Michelle had gotten there around 4pm and had left about 10 minutes later. This was the time listed in all MSM articles at the time and was also the time that a poster on this board, who is a friend of DSJr’s, indicated that she had arrived. He himself claimed that he left “at the same time” or “right after” her to take the children to his parent’s home. He claimed to have arrived there by 4:30pm, no easy feat in busy rush hour traffic from his home to their home in 15-20min apparently. There is a claim that a witness saw him arrive at his parent’s home at 4:30pm. This was changed to “by” 4:30pm by his lawyer MN when it became apparent after the release of the video that he should have been there much earlier if his story was correct and he was simply wrong about the time.

On or about November 27th a video of the Hummer H3 arriving at the condo at 3:18pm was released by the media. It is still unknown if this was done with the knowledge or approval of OPD. This video shows Michelle’s arrival time is about 40 minutes earlier than DSJr’s original claim according to her family. The next day he was asked to take a lie detector test. He refused and got a lawyer. He has not cooperated or spoken with LE regarding this case since that time according to RJ, another member of his legal team. LE named him their primary suspect in the disappearance of Michelle Parker, a statement they have repeated multiple times in the media.

Michelle was in the habit of contacting her son when he got home after school if she was going to be a little late coming home. If she was going to be really late she made arrangements for him to be with a relative. It was obvious from the arrival time at the condo that she was going to be a little late but she never contacted him at or after 3:30pm when he arrived home. Michelle did not make arrangements for her son to be with a relative after school that day. She intended on going right home after dropping off the twins.

There are apparently no witnesses or surveillance video from anywhere that show Michelle leaving the condo alone in the Hummer with the GLOW decals intact on the vehicle. No sightings of her anywhere away from the condo after 3:18pm even though her phone records seem to indicate that her phone at least was travelling through a very heavily populated and busy area. A poster on WS from early on in the case claimed to have seen the vehicle and what appeared to be an attractive brunette driving it around 3pm that day in an area where she was likely to have been. So that is one person that we know of, who noticed the vehicle prior to 3:18pm and called it in to LE. But no one seems to have come forward to indicate that they saw the vehicle, with an attractive brunette woman driving it, GLOW decals intact, after 3:18pm when her phone records seem to have placed her heading west towards the Oak Ridge/Belle Isle area. According to DSJr‘s claim of leaving right after her, he himself should have been travelling within minutes right behind her in the same direction. This cell phone activity was in direct contradiction to where Michelle should have been travelling according to the plans she told her family about less than an hour earlier.

We do not know but it has been suggested that there may have been other calls and texts sent to Michelle’s phone before the text that her brother sent, most likely at least NM’s emoticon reply to her text. If there were, there was no reply to anyone else other than the brother‘s text. The only reply from her cell phone after 3:18pm was to his text inquiring “Where r u?”, a short rather terse question that may have panicked whomever was in possession of the phone because they may have thought her absence was already being noticed. The reply text was one word, Waterford, not in character for Michelle and the phone was nowhere near Waterford Lakes at the time or any other time after 3:18pm that day according to LE. It has been suggested that she may have been shopping in the area earlier in the day with her mother and it’s possible she told DSJr that she was there. Or had packages in her vehicle that were from a mall in the area? I believe the children’s daycare arrangements were also possibly in Waterford Lakes so it’s quite likely that she was there prior to arriving at the condo. That is the direction that our poster saw her heading in around 3pm. And if she left the condo when DSJr originally said she did, she should have been in the Waterford Lakes area around the time of that text on her way home to Oviedo. But she was not. Or at least her phone wasn’t.

YS mentioned a ping from the cell while travelling westbound on Hoffner in the area of Semoran, less than three miles from the condo. Since we have only been made aware of two pings from the phone, it is assumed that the one YS is talking about is the Waterford text. We do not know for sure if that is where the phone was at the time of that text. If it was, her phone was pinging from a tower within a 2-3 mile radius of the condo over an hour after she got there. Crimeline is also reporting cell phone activity at Sandlake and Orange Ave. Not sure where that info came from.

No one has ever come forward to indicate that they are the witness alibi who states they saw DSJr at the parent’s home at 4:30pm. The only people who had to be subpoenaed to answer questions that we’re aware of is DSSr and his wife Tamara although apparently there were “several” people subpoenaed. Media have been unable to identify or interview any other independent witness to this 4:30pm arrival time.

Members of Michelle’s family started trying to get in touch with her first at 6:47pm after receiving a call from her 11yr old son that she had not come home at any time after he arrived home from school, nor did she contact him. No response from Michelle‘s phone at the time of that 6:47pm text from her sister Lauren even though the phone was still in the possession of someone. There were likely other calls and texts to her phone and at least one other more panicked text from Lauren to Michelle’s phone just prior to 8pm I believe. There are screencaps of Lauren’s phone texts to Michelle buried somewhere in the threads. The phone was subsequently “powered down” after the last ping at 8:01pm.

Michelle’s family was also unable to get a hold of DSJr when they first started to panic wondering where Michelle was. I assume those calls would have started around 7pm, before the police were called at 7:20pm? Calls to both his home and cell numbers? YS was finally able to reach DSJr’s mother who was unable to locate him but had him call YS back at some time. We do not know at what time he called YS. Neither DSJr or any member of his family have ever called any member of Michelle's family regarding her disappearance since that time.

Michelle’s phone was last traced to the area of the closed down Jesse Black Saloon at 333 Oakridge Rd, close to the Rose Blvd home of DSSr. The last ping on the phone was at 8:01pm. We have no information about that ping and whether it was an incoming or outgoing call or text. The physical act of powering off a phone does not generate a ping according to several experts. The phone was found December 7th , off the side of the Nela Ave, bridge by divers in the water. Again it is vague about exactly where under the bridge it was found but reports seem to indicate it was found in the water on the north side of the bridge. This bridge is one possible route of travel between DSJr and DSSr’s homes.

Michelle’s black Hummer H3 was found stripped of the decals for her GLOW tanning business in the parking lot of a condominium complex at 4700 Walden Circle by LE sometime the next day, Nov 18th. It was reported that a witness out walking her dog claimed to have seen the Hummer around 10:30pm the night before, the same night Michelle went missing. Walden Circle is about 3 miles from DSSr’s house. The decals have never been found and no logical explanation for why they would have been stripped off during a random stranger abduction has been brought forward, nor did anyone see this act taking place.

DSJr also posted online via FB using an old alias account of his that Michelle was a known escort. This was posted after Michelle disappeared. The alias account was positively traced back to one of his own email accounts. There is still another social media account with that same alias available on the internet that also traces back to his email account. There is no known connection to Michelle and the escort business.

Michelle was wearing a necklace, a ring and a watch at the time of her disappearance. All three are still missing along with her flip flop type sandals. During a struggle in the case of a stranger assault/ abduction, chances are very high that at least one of her flip flops would fall off her feet and perhaps a chain may be yanked from her neck. Neither has been found. When her vehicle was found, her purse and other personal effects were found intact in the vehicle, her phone was thrown away and the Hummer was not stripped of anything to sell. Her jewellery has not shown up in pawn shops or online for sale ads that we’re aware of. So it doesn’t appear that an assailant tried to profit in any way from property found on and with the victim. The car keys were taken and also remain missing. The area around where her vehicle was located was searched and dogs were also brought in but were unable to pick up her scent moving away from the vehicle I believe.

All of this information can be considered circumstantial or direct witness evidence and LE have the answers to some of the unknown questions in this list that may constitute some direct evidence. They also have all of the cell phone records for Michelle, DSJr and DSSr as well as any landline phone and computer records. They have, I believe, over 700 tips from the public. So it stands to reason that they have other evidence that helps to put the story together but at this time they are missing at least one piece of crucial evidence to make an arrest in this case. While a no body case is possible, usually there is at least evidence that the person has come to some kind of harm. It appears that is not the case here which indicates to me a possible “soft kill” and a quick disposal in some type of bag or container. This is Florida. Any arrest made means that the clock starts ticking and the public will have access to all of the evidence. And if you don’t get it right the first time there is no do-over. It doesn’t surprise me in the least that they are not prepared, at this time, to make an arrest.

Is there anything in the known information from MSM that points to the possibility of another person being responsible?

Is there any plausible explanation why Michelle seems to have disappeared right after her vehicle passed that camera at 3:18pm other than at the hands of the last known person to see her? Why would she not have at least contacted her son before leaving the condo on her way home?

If this event is split into a planned or spontaneous event, does that change our search areas?

MOO
 
Because Michelle's cell phone was found near Nela which is more southern route than what I am presuming is Little Dale's preferred route between the his condo and Papa Dale's home, I'm starting to think that Michelle is more likely in the southern half of the "15 minutes from direct route circle."
 
As I was driving by the condos on Sat., I did notice there are cameras at each entrance. Of course, we don't know if they were working or not at the time Michelle disappeared.

I would also like to know what led OPD to search the area of Econ Trail with dogs and I believe there was also a dive team at the park they searched. Did Michelle's phone ping this area and the area of Wedgefield they also searched and we haven't heard anything about those pings? Something led them to search those 2 areas, what was it.
 
Read the recap.... and this is just MOO

Its seems so personal...all the little pieces not connected to make a complete puzzle still keeping me going back to it being all connected and not all these crazy coincidences.

why walden? was it close enough to Rose blvd for a reason?
Was the Hummer nearly empty or running on fumes?
When was the last time Michelle pruchased fuel?

Who steals the Hummer and leaves a purse...they would at least left some prints on the purse after trashing thru it.

And if there was trace evidence in the Hummer.. whose? could it have been totally cleaned of prints etc.? I don't think so.

Why takes the keys to the hummer but leave a purse inside????....
Who would type waterford? if they didnt know Michelle well enough to know she had been there earlier in the day?

Then her phone pinging in the same areas the last known person to see her was also travelling in and around that night.

Her phone was left on for a reason also....until everything was accomplished. The last thing drop the hummer 7:30PM toss the phone 8PM and head back over to the other side of town...

Since the Hummer was found further away from rose and the phone ok if someone drops the Hummer about 7:30PM stops at Rose then throw phone 8PM at Nela Bridge area...and If Dale was at Rose at 4:30 that would leave 3 hours before dumping the Hummer( in this theory).
If Michelle was placed somewhere between this hours ...what distance could the Hummer go east( since it seem to be the pattern) if it had to double back to end back at walden at 7:30 PM...

Of course this theory would only work if on the way home the perp stop at walden then rose to get the truck and then headed home afer tossing the phone?
 
I would like to know also, IIRC the Hummer was locked and what position the drivers seat was left in.
 
Read the recap.... and this is just MOO

Its seems so personal...all the little pieces not connected to make a complete puzzle still keeping me going back to it being all connected and not all these crazy coincidences.

why walden? was it close enough to Rose blvd for a reason?
Was the Hummer nearly empty or running on fumes?
When was the last time Michelle pruchased fuel?

Who steals the Hummer and leaves a purse...they would at least left some prints on the purse after trashing thru it.

And if there was trace evidence in the Hummer.. whose? could it have been totally cleaned of prints etc.? I don't think so.

Why takes the keys to the hummer but leave a purse inside????....
Who would type waterford? if they didnt know Michelle well enough to know she had been there earlier in the day?

Then her phone pinging in the same areas the last known person to see her was also travelling in and around that night.

Her phone was left on for a reason also....until everything was accomplished. The last thing drop the hummer 7:30PM toss the phone 8PM and head back over to the other side of town...

Since the Hummer was found further away from rose and the phone ok if someone drops the Hummer about 7:30PM stops at Rose then throw phone 8PM at Nela Bridge area...and If Dale was at Rose at 4:30 that would leave 3 hours before dumping the Hummer( in this theory).
If Michelle was placed somewhere between this hours ...what distance could the Hummer go east( since it seem to be the pattern) if it had to double back to end back at walden at 7:30 PM...

Of course this theory would only work if on the way home the perp stop at walden then rose to get the truck and then headed home afer tossing the phone?

Good question about the fuel situation in the Hummer captdj. We saw video surveillance of Michelle getting food for lunch that day but we did not see footage of her getting gas. I'd imagine a vehicle that size would burn up a lot of gas and it appeared to put on quite a few miles that day.

Hard to say if it ended up at Walden Circle by neccessity because it was low on gas or whether there was some other reason why it ended up there. :waitasec:

MOO
 
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