FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #16

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Okay ... whoever comes here in the morning must shoot holes in my theory. I'm off to bed ... and to sleep.
 
Noway said:
Will I wake up in the morning, look at all these posts and wonder what in the hell I was thinking?

I've given up on LE releasing anything because they don't want to release something that ends up being evidence.

And so ... I have to go with my theory. Which is keeping me awake much later than I should be. God knows I need my beauty sleep ... and everyone elses.
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LMAO. I am that way with all the tabs I save and bookmark.. lol
 
Noway said:
MammaD, I checked foreclosure house and owner is listed as an equity trust company.

http://www.qpublic.net/cgi-bin/clay_display.cgi?KEY=08-04-26-019911-002-01


Might get you there. If not, 019911-002-01, is the parcel number and that will work from http://www.ccpao.com/search1.html.

I hope that works. I've edited the bejesus out of this post.

Dang ... well basically you need to find the link that will get you to a search by parcel number. If I found it this late at night the rest of you ought to be able to do it in the morning. :)
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Do you think it was a personal home or a rental ?? I can't find carp on it. guess must be to late or early.. lol


oh ok I see... so it went back to bank ... sitting empty.. hmmm
 
I did wp's and reverse and nothing.. wonder why we can't find who was in the house.. hmmmm
 
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-07/story/traffic_up_at_the_state_web_site_that_shows_where_convicted_sexual

[snipped...]In the wake of the mid-October killing of 7-year-old Somer Thompson as she walked home from her Orange Park school, some have wondered if a sexual offender was involved. That may have sparked some of the increase in people logging onto the Florida Sexual Offenders and Predators Registry online at offender.fdle.state.fl.us to find out how many of the state's registered 52,000 sexual offenders and predators are in their neighborhoods. A similar search can be done at jacksonville.com/databases/news/sexual_offenders.

State officials say searches on the sexual offenders Web site jumped from 634,233 in September to 666,818 in October, while calls to its telephone hot-line - (888) 357-7332 - went up by 268 in the same period. The same thing has happened in the wake of other high-profile cases involving kidnapped or murdered children, said FDLE spokeswoman Kristin Perezluha.
 
tarabull said:
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-07/story/traffic_up_at_the_state_web_site_that_shows_where_convicted_sexual

[snipped...]In the wake of the mid-October killing of 7-year-old Somer Thompson as she walked home from her Orange Park school, some have wondered if a sexual offender was involved. That may have sparked some of the increase in people logging onto the Florida Sexual Offenders and Predators Registry online at offender.fdle.state.fl.us to find out how many of the state's registered 52,000 sexual offenders and predators are in their neighborhoods. A similar search can be done at jacksonville.com/databases/news/sexual_offenders.

State officials say searches on the sexual offenders Web site jumped from 634,233 in September to 666,818 in October, while calls to its telephone hot-line - (888) 357-7332 - went up by 268 in the same period. The same thing has happened in the wake of other high-profile cases involving kidnapped or murdered children, said FDLE spokeswoman Kristin Perezluha.
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I am shocked the number is so low for Oct.. I know I went to the site at least 10 times a day for almost 2 weeks in Oct.. as did most on here.. and then add all the other boards and members from other sites going.. That number just seems low to me..

That is only 32,585 more hits than sept... hmmm
 
hopetohelp said:
From MommaD, last thread - Hopetohelp this is a very good theory.. but just some questions and comments..

Do you think this WRD could be linked to Somer somehow? say he tried to get a loan at a certain loan business or knew the guy at the loan business??

I see some drug charges on him... Do you think he could of been selling ???

could of visited someone that day ??? A sale gone bad during lunch?

From his charges it seems he is a hot head and doesn't plan out things .. just spur of moment stuff..


Maybe sorta friendly with certain ppl to get info as to children etcc... ??

I don't see this WRD with patience to sit and watch his prey.. I could be wrong very much so but I see him as to flighty...

Maybe he borrowed cars... Is there anyway you could place him in Somer's area in your theory???
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I do have to wonder if he somehow knew the family, at least in passing, in some capacity. Either - did he have friends in the neighborhood, or maybe he sold pot. Don't know. Would love to see a tie in though. He was in Piny Hills, which is about 7 miles from Somer's and I don't know how far from the school. This guy is a driver though. He likes to move around both instate and out of state.

Sometimes workers in construction have been known to partake of certain illegal substances, so absolutely he could have been selling to someone in the neighborhood. What's interesting to me though is that he was staying at a house where he rented a room and only people trying to stay sober from drugs or alcohol are generally accepted there. Add that to the fact that there is apparently and AA meeting somewhere in or close to Somer's neighborhood and then there is a real possibility he could have been in and out of the area where the meetings took place.

Yeah, you're right. Absolutely no impulse control with this guy and when he gets angry he lashes out both physically and sexually. And he was under a lot of stress. One weird thing though... it seems that he may have stalked the girl at the car place for three or four days before snatching her. AND he parked a few blocks away and then walked to her office. This is the exact same thing he did when he broke into his ex gf's house to assault her. That speaks of premeditation. But once he got to the car office, he couldn't assault her or force her at knifepoint UNTIL he was suitably worked up anger wise. Which is really interesting. AND he made no attempt to cover that it was he who had taken her since the girl called her boss's wife right in front of him. This guy is mentally not well.

I wonder too if the construction guys knew him, or where he did his telemarketing (which I expect may have consisted of scams to get credit card #'s judging from his past criminal hx). Ok. too sleepy to go on tonight. Night all!
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You know what you described in para's 3 and 4 .... sounded like something off a tv show or a movie.. and they say those aren't real life.. they need to interview this guy.... lol

One freaking evil monster...


I have read every post on here .. well, besides the ones that were deleted... lol but anyway.. I have tried to look at all of your all's theories with an open mind.. I really have...

But I just don't feel it.. Not if its true that the children were standing either at the school or at the school on miller st. and had this argument .. I don't think Somer made it past that burned house..

any worker there would have to have an auto of some sorts.. what if they left and went and got their own auto to move somer in and just take her to the school dumpsters..??? or in the park one.. I really feel she was put in the one at the park or school.. more at the school tho..

LE hasn't really searched any where else but that house and the park bathroom... if no where else why there ?? has to be a reason... just has to be.. but what ???

LE gave the trailor and auto's back to construction company.. so I don't see any scent of somer being there if they gave it back..

and we really don't know if dogs followed somer's scent to debarry.. or even the 2nd cross guard...

they might have walked it but doesn't mean somer's scent was there .. I saw a different video of dogs and watched and watched it . I didn't get the feeling in that one I did in the other video of dogs.. it was same video but longer.. they have cut it shorter now...

Le is scaring me since no word from them.. I hope they have something to go on..
 
tarabull said:
http://jacksonville.com/opinion/editorials/2009-11-07/story/predators_keeping_kids_safe

How do we keep our children safe?

Those eternal fears of all parents were brought to the surface recently when Somer Renee Thompson was killed in Orange Park.

In some neighborhoods, children aren't allowed outside alone, as if they are on house arrest.

Yet, as parents, you can't and shouldn't do everything for your child.

That balancing act is the subject of today's comments from members of our E-Mail Interactive Group. To join, send an e-mail to: carol.boone@jacksonville.com.

Seven steps to safety

As a mother of a 10-year-old boy, my anxieties are high and nerves are on edge.

I think some of the most important things to stress are:

1. Stay in groups.

2. Never approach anyone in a car unless you clearly know the person.

3. Always stay on main, well-traveled roads. Avoid shortcuts.

4. Cross roads where there are crossing guards if possible.

5. Take a self-defense class.

6. Be aware of your surroundings and who is around you.

7. Be purposeful and show confidence. Predators look for the weak. - MARIA MARK, Jacksonville.

More patrols

One community I lived in, Iowa City, used school patrols at intersections along the way. - ALLEN TILLEY, Jacksonville.

More carpools

We have a 12-year-old who is dropped off and picked up each day via car by one of us.

If we can't do it, she will only ride with a parent she knows. We are lucky that there are six other households in the immediate neighborhood that carpool with us.

We have a 9-year-old who rides his bike to school with his buddies each day. My wife tails them on a bike to make sure they get to school and home safely.

If my wife can't accompany them, she makes arrangements for me or another parent to be the escort. They voluntarily stick closer than they used to. - GEOFF BEARDALL, Jacksonville.

No playing in yard

We don't allow our children in our front yard unless one of us parents are out there with them, much less allow them to walk to school.

They never have and never will walk to school by themselves. The key is to never let them out of your sight. If that's too much, then you needn't be parents.

Every school should have an early drop-off where the kids could be checked in while the parents go off to work.

We hate to live in fear, but we have to watch over our children at all times. - WAYNE MOORE, Orange Park.

Start 'walk pools'

Maybe we need "walk pools" like we have "car pools" with designated parents, known to law enforcement, that walk the routes with the children. At the end of the day, we cannot let these predators keep us from living our lives; we cannot let them teach our children to be afraid of simply walking home from school. - ART PECK, Jacksonville.

Helping each other

I always took my children to school. I would do so especially these days; times have changed drastically. As the parents and neighbors are doing in Orange Park, they are standing along the route to school where these children walk. What a great idea. - SALLY BOGGS, Jacksonville.

Determination is key

I have never let my daughter walk to school and never will. She has never even walked from the bus stop. I work seven days a week, but one way or the other, I always have her taken to school and picked up.

If it means that I have to leave work early, I have always done whatever it took to ensure she is not out there for these demons to stalk. I have never shielded her from the fact that there is evil in this world. She is vigilant and safety conscious. I want her to be a child, but I also want to see her grow up. - REGINA BLAKER, Marietta.

Meeting the bus

I hate that it is not safe for a child to walk home from school (or from the bus) alone, but that is the reality in virtually all parts of Jacksonville. In my neighborhood, families take turns walking all the kids from a bus to their respective houses.

Other parents meet the bus in automobiles. High schoolers sometimes walk from the bus to their homes, but seldom from school. - AL WEIGAND, Jacksonville.

Walking school bus

I like the idea of the "walking school bus," where kids gather in one location and walk to school as a group with adult supervision. At no time, should small children be unaccompanied by a responsible adult, from the moment they leave the front door of the home until the time they walk into the school. I know that parental supervision at all times is hard to do in some cases, but that shouldn't prevent it. - KEITH SCHNIER, Orang Park.

Even in gated community ...

We live in a gated community. Our children are picked up by a school bus one block from our home. They walk together as a group to the bus stop. Even in our gated community, I would not allow our 7-year-old daughter to walk alone to the bus stop. - CAYCE RUMSEY, Ponte Vedra Beach.

Don't overprotect them

My 12-year-old stepdaughter still walks to school. Is it worrisome, yes, but we must approach life from the perspective that there have always been danger and bad people in our world and to overprotect is detrimental to the children, too.

Kids need to be protected, but not overprotected. They need to know about danger and what they can do to protect themselves but, unfortunately, you hardly ever see kids riding bikes and playing ballgames with each other like I did when I was a kid. Truth is, we probably had as many pedophiles in the neighborhood I grew up in as we do today; we just didn't know it. - MICHAEL TARRANCE, Jacksonville.
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All of this is great, but about 70% of those sexually abused/assaulted know their assailants.
 
Noway said:
Okay ... whoever comes here in the morning must shoot holes in my theory. I'm off to bed ... and to sleep.
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Okay, one more circumstantial reason to look at.

In the article (if he was quoted right) he says it was a "fifty fifty" (assuming chance that Somer (and not his niece) got taken.)

If you remember, these kids were walking in a group.

In order to be "fifty fifty", the girls had to have been walking together, not in a group!

Quote: "Minutes before she was walking with this little girl. I mean, yea it's definitely sunk in...It gives me goose bumps...thinking it could have been fifty-fifty, I mean, just like that,” ...

Then again, he may have been theorizing, and there is nothing to it.

But, taking that he worked in buildings (current or old tile business,) that the girls spent time together (if just walking to school,) that his house is between Somer's house and school, that his property has access to Debarry (close to Somer's house - providing for a shortcut) that if Somer had taken Arbor Circle the crossing guard at Debarry could not have seen her, that the girls got into an argument just minutes before, that he made odd remarks during the interview (well, to me)...

Now if he ever worked at 1080 Gano, or is familiar with that house and dumpsters around, then...

... unless LE throw us a bone to pick at, we should keep this guy in the backburner.

:)

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpo...to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx
 
This crime could have been committed by someone who doesn't have a record & that is why we have no news from LE - that would make everyone a suspect with the exception of the RSOs whose DNA they already have on file & their DNA doesn't match. I would assume they have taken DNA from the family; they took DNA from the construction workers... is it safe to assume they do have some type of DNA from her body? They just can't match it to anyone?
In regards to a question asked last night about fireplaces... I live in Jacksonville and have a fireplace in my home. It seems as though concrete block houses built in the 60s & 70s rarely had a fireplace - FWIW.
 
Noway said:
And now you tell me the foreclosed house has a fireplace (or at least a chimney). Do you need or want or have fireplaces in Florida?
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The Northern Florida weather is not as nice as tropical Southern Florida. I mean, fireplaces are not necessary with a good central heater, but they are "nice to have." They also add value to the home, too.

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I think you're right about this person not having a SO record. But I think he/she has done it before (not sure it IS one person). Brazen and confident.

Quite honestly, I don't know where else LE has searched. I only know the areas that the media has reported that they have searched.

I'm now wondering how updated the property records are and will try to find that out. And will also check for foreclosures near 1080.

O/T
Why is it that no matter how late kids go to sleep when they have a friend sleep over, they are up at the crack of dawn? Or is it just my son?
 
The comment by the uncle does make it seem that Somer and M. were the only ones walking together, M. went to her house and Somer continued on and was snatched from some point after that.

Or, as you say, it could just be the uncle, and how he said it, not based on the facts of that day.

I hate basing my theory on media reports but it's all I've got.
 
AMW on tonight Somer's case.

A child reported seeing Somer on the sidewalk in front of a vacant home that was 500 to 600 yards from Somer's elementary school.
There had been a fire at the home a few months ago and it was being remodeled. Workers hired for the remodeling told investigators that Somer had walked inside the fence around the house and spoke to them before walking away. It was the last confirmed sighting of Somer.
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http://www.ocala.com/article/200911...r-s-case-is-on-America-s-Most-Wanted-Saturday
 
Whoever asked about the stop on the foreclosure.....
the owner is able to call and put a stop to the auction by explaining a change of circumstance such as being in a bankruptcy as the house can not be sold during that process.

..... A lot of times the owners will do that to buy time to get out. Also, not sure of the foreclosure talk, as I got confused reading back, but usually they are not sitting vacant untill they are actually foreclosed upon and owned by the bank as the owner will use that term to live mortgage free untill it actually is forclosed upon.....

....so basically those in foreclosure are not vacant usually but bank owned are vacant.......fwiw
 
Thank you gypsyblue ... I've noticed a lot of foreclosures in that subdivision (the one MommaD and I were talking about).

I think the phone cancellation was related to a different foreclosure but useful information all the same ... at least for me.
 
gypsyblue said:
Whoever asked about the stop on the foreclosure.....
the owner is able to call and put a stop to the auction by explaining a change of circumstance such as being in a bankruptcy as the house can not be sold during that process.

..... A lot of times the owners will do that to buy time to get out. Also, not sure of the foreclosure talk, as I got confused reading back, but usually they are not sitting vacant untill they are actually foreclosed upon and owned by the bank as the owner will use that term to live mortgage free untill it actually is forclosed upon.....

....so basically those in foreclosure are not vacant usually but bank owned are vacant.......fwiw
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Can you provide a link or Florida Real Estate foreclosure law stating a quick phone call stops the trustee sale? I may not be in Florida however I am in real estate and run into problems on a daily basis with foreclosures. It take myself and a team of 2 negotiators -- days if not weeks to speak with the legal team with the banks and mortgage companies. I could certainly use some inside information how the quick call stop it all.
 
Kewpiedoll said:
Can you provide a link or Florida Real Estate foreclosure law stating a quick phone call stops the trustee sale? I may not be in Florida however I am in real estate and run into problems on a daily basis with foreclosures. It take myself and a team of 2 negotiators -- days if not weeks to speak with the legal team with the banks and mortgage companies. I could certainly use some inside information how the quick call stop it all.
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I dont have a link....I know from several people who have gone through this in Vegas, houses are foreclosing like mad here......they get an auction date and then prior to the date as late as the day before, the owner calls the auction and lets them know they are in bankruptcy and BY LAW a bank can not foreclose during a bankruptcy, it usually gets put back on auction calender I believe thirty days after the close of the bankruptcy......
 
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