How will Jaycee heal?

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butterfly1978 said:
I honestly do not know how she will heal, except fully rely on God. Its not the same as Elizabeth Smart Elizabeth was missing 9 months, she was still in the same era. JC is 18 years older she is no longer 11 years old a child she is a woman.
I think of the Steven Stayner, he never healed and he died 7 years later.
I do believe it is possible to heal with love and prayers therapy and God. I just hope she has the strength
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I believe she can heal in degrees. Not sure completely....
Her childhood was stolen, her freedom was stolen, Her development was compromised, she must have been brain washed or scared to death and had to have his kids too.
18 years is a very long time.
- I do not like the sound of her kids have "blank stare, and hollow eyes" :confused:
- I don't like the sound that the creep slept with them every night :confused:
- I don't like the sound that they were afraid to talk, and if they did, they looked to him for approval. :confused:

That in itself is a lot to overcome, they were taught not to talk outside of their compound.
I think a lot of prayer and good people around, some new experiences, new nurturing, socializing and feeling safe and free again will help a lot.
While Jaycee has some reference point to draw from. Pre abduction of a time she was happy at home.
These poor girls have no other reference point at all. the description of them "hollow and empty eyes" Saddens me deeply.
 
I don't know ... just think ... for the first time in their lives and the first time in a long time for Jaycee they have freedom and not fear.

She survived 18 years of this hell. I think she can survive surrounded by joy and love. I think her children will blossom.
 
Mystery surrounding kidnap victim Jaycee Dugard deepens
[SIZE=-1]San Jose Mercury News[/SIZE]

Sometime between the June morning she was yanked into a car near South Lake Tahoe in 1991 and this week when she surfaced alive with the man accused of taking her, Jaycee Dugard stopped thinking of Phillip Garrido as her kidnapper and saw him more as a husband, her step-father said Friday.

Even though she was raped within a month of the kidnapping, according to court records, and secretly housed in a backyard shed, Dugard, then 11 and now 29, apparently never told her two children she was kidnapped. When she greeted her mother at a tearful reunion this week, her first words were "Hi, Mom, I have babies."

"Jaycee has strong feelings with this guy," her stepfather, Carl Probyn, said Friday. "She really feels it's almost like a marriage."

That revelation was just one of the surprises to surface Friday as the mystery deepened of what happened to the little blonde, blue-eyed girl kidnapped on her way to school nearly two decades ago.

Oh boy! She's going to need a lot of therapy given this revelation! I hope he hasn't brain-washed her and the girls with his brand of "religion".
 
I find myself perplexed. On one hand, I thank God that her discovery was at a police station, and that she was alive and physically well. When the other option is finding her remains in a cornfield somewhere, please understand when I say I am glad for the news of her return to be as such.

With that said, I cannot fully call this a "happy time". I cringe over every word I read when it comes to the life this poor girl has had to live.

Her family and her all went through undue and undeserved hell for a long time, all at the expense of a twisted mindset of some sick pervert and his brainwashed wife.

It sickens me to think that so many lives have been affected forever, and the innocence of youth has been torn away for three people because this animal wanted to, dare I say, live his morbid and sick fantasies. It makes me ill just to think it.

A lot of prayers and a lot of support are going to be crucial for Jaycee and her beautiful children. I know on this end, for what it's worth, she'll get a whole lot of both. I only wish there was a method of contact so we all could tell her personally that we're here for her too. Many of us followed this case dilligently on these boards (I began following it when she was suspected to be Maricopa Jane Doe/Tawni Mazzone) and was filled with joy when I heard the news she was alive, then disgust at knowing the life she was forced to live.
 
To put it bluntly, Jaycee won't ever heal fully. There's no way. However, she's strong, almost like an Amazon to ever be able to endure what she's been through. Women are strong, and can overcome about anything. She can have a liFe, and her girls as well. Enjoy, DISH TV, good food, Air conditioning, makeup (eventually), Hilights in the hair, walking around shopping, and even having some fum as long as safe! I just hope that religious fanatic didn't cause them all to hate God. He's the only one anyone ever can count on.
 
LinasK said:
Mystery surrounding kidnap victim Jaycee Dugard deepens
[SIZE=-1]San Jose Mercury News[/SIZE]

Sometime between the June morning she was yanked into a car near South Lake Tahoe in 1991 and this week when she surfaced alive with the man accused of taking her, Jaycee Dugard stopped thinking of Phillip Garrido as her kidnapper and saw him more as a husband, her step-father said Friday.

Even though she was raped within a month of the kidnapping, according to court records, and secretly housed in a backyard shed, Dugard, then 11 and now 29, apparently never told her two children she was kidnapped. When she greeted her mother at a tearful reunion this week, her first words were "Hi, Mom, I have babies."

"Jaycee has strong feelings with this guy," her stepfather, Carl Probyn, said Friday. "She really feels it's almost like a marriage."

That revelation was just one of the surprises to surface Friday as the mystery deepened of what happened to the little blonde, blue-eyed girl kidnapped on her way to school nearly two decades ago.

Oh boy! She's going to need a lot of therapy given this revelation! I hope he hasn't brain-washed her and the girls with his brand of "religion".
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The fact that Jaynee had strong feelings for this guy tells me that she has been brian washed.
Very often times when someone is abducted and the person who keeps them alive, feeds and shelters them becomes thier salvation.

It will take a vey long time for the 29 year old Jaycee to get that an 11 year old Jaycee has been abused, and when she sees what her kids have missed she will eventually begine to feel thing differently.

This family will heal one day at a time. A long way off....:(
for now she may tell stories that he etched into thier minds of how good he was to them :no: :puke:
It will take time for her to know better.
 
butterfly1978 said:
I honestly do not know how she will heal, except fully rely on God.
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(New to the forum, a fan of websleuths, and I'm controversial.)

I am very glad that Jaycee was finally found, and if she ever really DOES heal, it will take a very long time. I would think she would be hating cops and never trusting the system again after some shoddy work involving her life.

One thing that puts me aback - here's one person who never will and never should thank a god for anything. I've studied religion/mythology in lots of places and countries over the years. Here's what I've noticed:

People claim they believe, but they never act like it and follow the rules. They make their own version of a deity then follow it because it neatly fits with their desires. (Susan B. Anthony said this too.)

Those who really follow gods like a Christian god or specifically Jesus and try their best to follow the bible's rules are the ones who create crime and violence, exactly like the Garridos, yet they still make their own kingdom within their back-freaking-yard!

For this FINALLY solved case, I certainly won't put credit it a god's court. Instead I will spend my energy reading and commenting on stories that address the inept effort of our justice system. This was a federal case with a federal parolee who was bounced around enough and was never taken seriously.

Right now, I can only imagine that the police in the surrounding areas of Antioch are storming the houses of sexual offenders just to show some effort. If that's happening, too late boys.
 
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Life after the ordeal
- Natascha Kampusch, 21, inset, astonishingly opted for a career in the media after escaping her captor in 2006 following eight years spent in his house near Vienna. She briefly hosted a television talk show.
All the while she was receiving counselling and would rarely go out in public without being escorted by an expert social worker.
Despite her apparent successful recovery, she recently stated how she felt she was unable to integrate in society. “In my cellar, I was perfect, self-contained and complete. Today I feel like people have taken away my ability to be myself,” she said.
- Elisabeth Fritzl, 42, was kept prisoner in the cellar of her family home by her father Josef for 24 years, and gave birth to seven of his children.
After their release in 2008 she and her six surviving children, then aged five to 19, received new identities and moved to a remote Austrian village.
Elisabeth is said to have entered a new relationship with one of the bodyguards assigned to her by the authorities. Her children are now going to school and attempting to start a new life in freedom.
- Elizabeth Smart, who in June 2002 was snatched from her bed in Salt Lake City by an insane “prophet” and held for nine months, has recovered enough to attend university. She said that she would advise Jaycee Lee Dugard to start “enjoying ordinary things again, one at a time” and taking a long family holiday. “I have shown that you can come back from this. You must not allow this man to steal the rest of your life, which starts right now.” more at link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6814941.ece
 
Bringing over Themis's posts from another thread:
They are secluded in a Bay Area home with a team of experts. Hooray!


http://www.news10.net/news/local/sto...9&provider=top


"It's going good. It's going slow...they're trying to keep out of the media," Probyn said. "These girls are so fragile. They're trying to go the right direction...everything is about these girls and doing things the right way."
The family is believed to be in seclusion in a Bay Area home.
As for Jaycee's daughters, 15 and 11, Probyn said all he knows is that they're happy and were working with a team of experts. ...

"It's so sensitive right now, to bring someone else in...I know they've talked to Jaycee and she remembers me. They're taking it slow, a little talking a little watching TV. It's like having a baby and they are taking teeny steps."
 
http://www.kansascity.com/news/natio...y/1412818.html

Psychological help for Dugard will largely be thanks to significant advances in the therapy field known as “recovery and reunification.”
A San Francisco Bay Area counselor who works with the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children has been tapped to help Dugard and her family through the first few days of the unexpected and long-delayed reunion.
 
LinasK said:
http://www.kansascity.com/news/natio...y/1412818.html

Psychological help for Dugard will largely be thanks to significant advances in the therapy field known as &#8220;recovery and reunification.&#8221;
A San Francisco Bay Area counselor who works with the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children has been tapped to help Dugard and her family through the first few days of the unexpected and long-delayed reunion.
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from this article: very interesting.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/1412818.html
<<<SNIP>>>
Dugard was gone for nearly two decades, and experts said she could look forward to the first stage of her recovery/reunification &#8212; which was likely to be euphoria.

&#8220;There&#8217;s a honeymoon period, a sense of wild joy, like your best dream has come true,&#8221; said Georgia Hilgeman-Hammond, who founded the Vanished Children&#8217;s Alliance in San Jose in 1976 after her 13-month-old daughter was abducted. Her daughter was found four years later.

&#8220;But it&#8217;s not &#8216;happily ever after,&#8217;&#8194;&#8221; she said. &#8220;You find out they&#8217;re not the same person. There&#8217;s confusion, loyalty issues, like &#8216;Why didn&#8217;t mom or dad find me sooner?&#8217;&#8194;&#8221;

Even though Dugard is 29 now and has two girls, 11 and 15, fathered by her abductor, Philip Garrido, her emotional age is likely to be much younger because she has been utterly powerless for so long, experts said.

The sudden freedom can be overwhelming, according to research funded by the U.S. Department of Justice. Families should not expect rescued children to be able to cope with socializing right away, including welcome-home celebrations.

Recovered victims are more likely to act withdrawn or hostile, probably because they&#8217;re scared of being re-abducted. Parents also are urged not to criticize abductors in front of victims because the victims often bond with their captors.

<<<SNIP>>>
Makes sense. :(
A very long Journey ahead.
Now this case does deserve a foundation....
(unlike the Casey Anthony BS)
 
I have been thinking about the Fritzl family and what has become of them. I did find this decent update from back in March. Just thought that some here might want to see it as well.
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.true-crime/2009-03/msg01050.html

My thoughts about comparing these two cases have been kinda all over the place. Elizabeth Fritzl was pretty much close to being an adult when her father, her FATHER did this to her! It is horrible and I have read other accounts in addition to the one above that do not paint such a rosy picture of her recovery but just say she is "not doing well." She knew what was happening to her and that it was wrong. It does not sound like she ever really "fell in love" with her captor, so to speak. So on the one hand, that would make her captivity even more difficult, but on the other hand, it might make a recovery more possible because she would not be feeling as if the place of her captivity was where she was "supposed to be?" I don't know.

But in comparison, Jaycee was an unformed child and easier for her captor to mold. He was a stranger and would be her world so he could control that world good or bad and make her grateful for any attention or treats he decided to bestow upon her. I imagine that would make recovery even more difficult because of the aforementioned bond she had with him. She apparently knew how to conduct herself with people and how to work and how to "behave." Now even if she is in a situation where she is told that she can do what she likes with freedom, she's not going to get that feeling of relief and approval from the God like figure who ruled her every movement. So with that lacking, it could be tough for her to find happiness.
 
If she had pets that she loved I hope that they let them come live with the family.
 
Contra Costa Times
Posted: 08/30/2009 12:23:41 PM PDT
Updated: 08/30/2009 12:32:23 PM PDT
Jaycee Dugard continues to dominate online news sites. Here are excerpts describing her reunion with her family:
Jaycee's stepsister's statement: Dugard's 19-year-old stepsister Shayna, who was 1 when Jaycee disappeared, was there when Jaycee and her mother Terry Probyn were reunited at an undisclosed location in Northern California. "She's only 29," Shayna wrote in a message to the news website. "She has the rest of her life to live and I have a lot of love to share with my sister and new nieces. In due time my mom will make statements and so will I if needed, but you have to understand this time is critical and the media attention would just add stress to something so delicate."
FBI agent on reunion: The reunion of Jaycee and her daughters with Terry Probyn was "emotional and joyous," said an FBI agent who watched the family come together after 18 years. "So Terry, right now, is understandably just ecstatic," said FBI agent Chris Campion of the Sacramento field office. Campion has been the officer on the file from the start of the investigation... There's going to be a period of adjustment, no doubt, but they're doing very well at this point. And the two daughters are probably as happy as Jaycee is to be part of this family as well."
Jaycee's stepfather: The stepfather of Jaycee Dugard said everything is going well in the reunion. "It's going good. It's going slow...they're trying to keep out of the media," Carl Probyn said. "These girls are so fragile. They're trying to go the right direction...everything is about these girls and doing things the right way." The family is believed to be in seclusion in a Bay Area home. Probyn said he looks forward to the day he can see Jaycee again. "It's so sensitive right now, to bring someone else in...I know they've talked to Jaycee and she remembers me. They're taking it slow, a little talking, a little watching TV. It's like having a baby and they are taking teeny steps."
-- Compiled by staff
http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_13235243
 
When I think of Jaycee and her girls reentering society, I think of someone who wakes up one day and finds themselves in a traditional middle eastern home. Everyone might speak English to you, everyone might be nice to you. But the culture, the expectations, the routines will be so different that assimilating it all would be very very difficult. Would you ever feel that really fit in? Plus, now that she is out and safe many of the emotional issues will be hitting Jaycee.
 
nobody2 said:
I have been thinking about the Fritzl family and what has become of them. I did find this decent update from back in March. Just thought that some here might want to see it as well.
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.true-crime/2009-03/msg01050.html

My thoughts about comparing these two cases have been kinda all over the place. Elizabeth Fritzl was pretty much close to being an adult when her father, her FATHER did this to her! It is horrible and I have read other accounts in addition to the one above that do not paint such a rosy picture of her recovery but just say she is "not doing well." She knew what was happening to her and that it was wrong. It does not sound like she ever really "fell in love" with her captor, so to speak. So on the one hand, that would make her captivity even more difficult, but on the other hand, it might make a recovery more possible because she would not be feeling as if the place of her captivity was where she was "supposed to be?" I don't know.

But in comparison, Jaycee was an unformed child and easier for her captor to mold. He was a stranger and would be her world so he could control that world good or bad and make her grateful for any attention or treats he decided to bestow upon her. I imagine that would make recovery even more difficult because of the aforementioned bond she had with him. She apparently knew how to conduct herself with people and how to work and how to "behave." Now even if she is in a situation where she is told that she can do what she likes with freedom, she's not going to get that feeling of relief and approval from the God like figure who ruled her every movement. So with that lacking, it could be tough for her to find happiness.
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They are different but the fact that they were both sex slaves/prisoners makes it easy to think of Elizabeth when thinking of this case.

By the age of 5 much of a child's life patterns are set. The character is formed and the personality continues to form based on experiences. Seems Jaycee came from a loving home and her step Dad said she was very easy going, and that may have kept her alive.
But her childhood was taken and so were her teens and the magic of falling in love. As she heals her compassion for her captor will turn to anger, and it helps to feel, to heal....
and not bury anything deep inside.

But those girls :( they know nothing different, no previous reference point, and they have been called blank faced, and robot.....deep stare like she is looking into your soul;;; nothing that sounds happy...

I do not know how they will come out of this...The first 5 years are etched into a child's blue print.
I wonder how those first 5 years were ? They will both have a different make up.
I DO WORRY FOR THOSE GIRLS :(

Elizabeth ran away from her abusive father and was brought back by the cops. :( She is still working on it;
It is a life time of healing for her and her kids:
Safety to them means he is locked up.
 
I think Jaycee will heal with a lot of love and understanding from her family,,,,keeping them in my prayers...:blowkiss::praying:
 
Why don't abductees such as Jaycee flee? Experts blame fear
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-08-31-dugard-antioch_N.htm?csp=34

Snipped for size:
By Evelyn Nieves, The Associated Press
SAN FRANCISCO — In the 18 years that Jaycee Lee Dugard allegedly spent captive in Phillip Garrido's backyard, shielded from the world by trees, tarps, tents and tool sheds, she no doubt had a chance or two to tell someone the truth.
Customers of Garrido's Antioch home-based printing business say the young woman whom they knew as Garrido's daughter "Allissa" designed business cards and helped with the family business.
They never suspected that "Allissa" was a girl kidnapped way back in 1991 at age 11.
Neighbors also had no idea that Garrido's two young daughters — now 11 and 15 — were Dugard's offspring, fathered by Garrido.
Why didn't Jaycee Dugard escape, reach out, scream for help?
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nobody2 said:
If she had pets that she loved I hope that they let them come live with the family.
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Yes, I think she loved her cats. There is a photo frame with three cat face photos in it on the dresser. (If they are hers, that's odd, as they didn't have a digital camera . . . or so Jaycee told a client of the printing business . . . but I wonder if they had another.)

In any case, looks like the cats were taken away by District Animal Control. See Slide 4 here: http://extras.mercurynews.com/slideshows/news/2009/08/jaycee_dugard_0827/

I can understand that they could spay and neuter the cats, treat them for disease, & give them appropriate care . . . but to simply treat them as if they were NOT beloved pets, but disposable items, is sick.

I agree, returning the pets to Jaycee and her girls might be a crucial step in healing.
 
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