Howard Grand Jury to meet on 3/17/2011

[curiousc]

Maybe they want BJD to shut up but by everyone ignoring her and not requesting interviews (removing her from the limelight). What is she doing all day? Whom does she have contact with? Does she leave her house regularly? Who comes to visit her? Is she still able to get her illegal drugs (that she and SA admitted to purchasing for personal use)? I wonder how ofter she used her work computer for personal reasons - I know if I can't be on the computer everyday, I feel disconnected from the world...is that stressful for her?

Is she pacing the house like a caged animal? Is she getting ready to break her silence and make a deal? Hopefully, her world is falling totally apart because she sure didn't do a good job of keeping HD world safe.

I think she likes to be in control and right now, hopefully, all she is controlling is the remote....:crazy:

JMO

And where is the video camera that they used for their personal encounters...SA liked the camera to much to not own one???

I think by releasing certain info at certain times they are trying to isolate BD and SA. I think they thought by releasing the child *advertiser censored* that people would stop supporting them and perhaps the people around them would start talking. In addition to preventing BD from speaking at the sex traficking rally.

Then when that didn't work 100% they then isolate them a bit further by telling BTH not to have them on anymore and announcing that BD is in fact a POI.

I do think LE is using tactics to get more info they need.

 

[missy1974]

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=352946

To date, only Adkins has been named a suspect in Hailey's disappearance. Law enforcement has called Adkins and Hailey's mother Billie Dunn "persons of interest." According to Colorado City's City Manager Pete Kampfer, there are also other unnamed persons of interest

So according to this article, there are still other unnamed POI's.

I just have this really bad feeling that they are no closer to figuring out what happened to Hailey then they were almost 3 months ago


*disclaimer*: the above information appears to be from PK, so I believe it is subject to change, depending on how he is feeling when asked LOL :crazy:

 

[Jo in Calif]

The Freedom of Information Act does not allow you to automatically get records. It is not as lenient as some state laws like the Sunshine Laws in FLA.

Under the Law you can request records. The holder of the record has a right to redact and deny records which would compromise an ongoing criminal investigation.

Now having said that I'm of the opinion that the reporters may not be asking properly, or asking for specific records which may be subject to release.

But asking for all records, files etc., isn't a proper request for Public Records, it will be denied based on the investigatory exclusion in the law. I believe the law is there to protect the people from undue secrecy and wrongdoing in government and Its agencies.

I do not believe it is in the public's good, that records regarding a very active and ongoing police investigation be released.

Wasn't it stated that the cell phone records would not be released?
Those are what we really would like to get our mitts on.
There must be something in those, for them not be released.

 

[For The Kids]

Above BBM in black.. This just is not true.. Tho a tedious job yes..but not at all impossible to discern who wasn't viewing/downloading..purchasing/trading the child *advertiser censored* and are able to pinpoint exactly who was viewing/downloading..purchasing/trading the child *advertiser censored*..even down to the amount of times each image and/or video were viewed by a person..

Most people charged and convicted of child *advertiser censored* indeed live with others and not alone..the vast majority not only live with others but others have access to the computer where the child *advertiser censored* is found..So if it were as you state IMPOSSIBLE then we would not have all of the child pornographers as well as viewers of child *advertiser censored* charged..convicted ..and serving prison sentences.. There is a 95+% conviction rate for those charged with child *advertiser censored*.. That is a huge and vast majority of those tried for Child *advertiser censored* being successfully convicted and proven guilty..It is 100% possible that Federal forensic computer agents will narrow down and pinpoint exactly who is the guilty party who is responsible for the child *advertiser censored* being on a computer..

Little Somer Thompson's case can easily be googled or look through her threads here at WS..This exact thing was done in her case and that is how they found and arrested and charged the guy who raped and murdered her.. His computer turned over and was found to have child *advertiser censored* on it..Investigators were aware that Jared did not live alone and several had access to his computer..It took time but they pinpointed that it was he and no one else that had downloaded and viewed the child *advertiser censored*...

That is just the first case that quickly came to mind but there are hundreds..thousands of cases that this narrowing down and excluding and finally able to pinpoint and conclude who is responsible for the child *advertiser censored* and that person is charged with it..and again the conviction rate is 95+%..thats a huge success..

The guilty party responsible for the child *advertiser censored* on SA's mom's computer better bet his bottom dollar he's gonna be proven to be "the one"..no doubt about it..will take time but it is 100% possible and will be done..

To be honest what people are forgetting is that Shawn could have had his own passworded account on his mums pc ( which i believe) in which case it would be a open and shut case who downloaded the *advertiser censored*.

JMO

 

[missy1974]

Wasn't it stated that the cell phone records would not be released?
Those are what we really would like to get our mitts on.
There must be something in those, for them not be released.

I remember that too Jo! I tried looking for it yesterday but couldn't find the article. But I do think it was in late January, early February?

When the *advertiser censored* was released, they did get something about the cell phones, but it wasn't detailed....

Evidence obtained from search warrants for two cell phones — one confiscated from Billie Jean Dunn and the other from Adkins — showed that all stored communications were retrieved from Dec. 25 through Jan. 7. Those communications were not detailed by investigators

http://www.reporternews.com/news/20...und-computer-mother-suspect-case/?partner=RSS

but I seem to recall someone trying to get detailed info before this. Like where the 2pm text was sent from. But they were denied that request. JMO

 

[missy1974]

To be honest what people are forgetting is that Shawn could have had his own passworded account on his mums pc ( which i believe) in which case it would be a open and shut case who downloaded the *advertiser censored*.

JMO

I think that could be possible too. Also, I think if any credit cards/debit cards were used to purchase anything, I would imagine this will help in their investigation.

 

[grandmaj]

OK with 108,000+ images how would you even have time to view it after downloading it? Someone figured out that you are downloading at the rate of 149 pics a day over the last 2 years to reach these numbers.

I guess I don't get it. How would you ever find enough hours to view this volume of pictures. I think the hold up here is that they are looking at where this stuff came from, where it was going and who else may be involved. He could well have been
selling this stuff. Since we don't know if they searched that house it would be intersting to hear if they found flash drives by the case in that house.

 

[missy1974]

OK with 108,000+ images how would you even have time to view it after downloading it? Someone figured out that you are downloading at the rate of 149 pics a day over the last 2 years to reach these numbers.

I guess I don't get it. How would you ever find enough hours to view this volume of pictures. I think the hold up here is that they are looking at where this stuff came from, where it was going and who else may be involved. He could well have been
selling this stuff. Since we don't know if they searched that house it would be intersting to hear if they found flash drives by the case in that house.

I have wondered that too grandma! that is a lotttttt of computer time! And logically you would have to think that whoever was downloading and viewing it would be alone at the time. So that is a lot of 'alone time' if you ask me lol

Do we know how long SA was working with the Oil company he quit in December? Did he work before? if not, did he spend his day at his Mommy's when no one else was there? I think it's been said that he technically moved into BD's home 6 months before Hailey went missing, but popular opinion was/is that he pretty much moved in right away after they met 3 years ago. I'm just wondering when he had all this time to download and view.

 

[Knox]

OK with 108,000+ images how would you even have time to view it after downloading it? Someone figured out that you are downloading at the rate of 149 pics a day over the last 2 years to reach these numbers.

I guess I don't get it. How would you ever find enough hours to view this volume of pictures. I think the hold up here is that they are looking at where this stuff came from, where it was going and who else may be involved. He could well have been
selling this stuff. Since we don't know if they searched that house it would be intersting to hear if they found flash drives by the case in that house.

I wonder how much a memory stick/flash drive of child *advertiser censored* is worth?

Maybe it wasn't so much for whoever downloaded it to view, but a money making venture. SA did quit his job which didn't make much sense.

ETA: Found a Federal Court Child *advertiser censored* Probable Cause Article.
http://locatethelaw.org/linked/probable%20cause%20issues%20in%20child%20pornography%20cases.pdf

 

[passionflower]

Can someone be arrested for the *advertiser censored* say for only 10 pictures and later show there was more? like a thousand counts?
Or does the DA need a certain number and stick to it?

IMO, I think SA/BD? might go down for drugs or *advertiser censored* before anything about Hailey.
GJ is only for Hailey, right?

Sorry I am so confused in some of this. Lots of double talk.
LE trying to keep SA/BD from knowing what they really now about all of this.

 

[passionflower]

I have wondered that too grandma! that is a lotttttt of computer time! And logically you would have to think that whoever was downloading and viewing it would be alone at the time. So that is a lot of 'alone time' if you ask me lol

Do we know how long SA was working with the Oil company he quit in December? Did he work before? if not, did he spend his day at his Mommy's when no one else was there? I think it's been said that he technically moved into BD's home 6 months before Hailey went missing, but popular opinion was/is that he pretty much moved in right away after they met 3 years ago. I'm just wondering when he had all this time to download and view.

His hobby may of started years ago.......in his teens?
with help of some friends and cousins?
or he bought allot from someone and already on memory stick also?

 

[nursebeeme]

Can someone be arrested for the *advertiser censored* say for only 10 pictures and later show there was more? like a thousand counts?
Or does the DA need a certain number and stick to it?

IMO, I think SA/BD? might go down for drugs or *advertiser censored* before anything about Hailey.
GJ is only for Hailey, right?

Sorry I am so confused in some of this. Lots of double talk.
LE trying to keep SA/BD from knowing what they really now about all of this.

I believe Jarrad Harrell (killer of ST) only had five... but then there were more discovered on a camera I believe

I think all you need is one to get charged... if they find more there can be separate charges filed for each individual image... doesn't matter if they find it tomorrow or found it a month ago...

moo...

I agree that they are trying to keep SA and BD on their toes...

no WAY did they show BD the memory stick.. as she has been a POI..... I won't go further into what I think of BD's statements but I will say I completely agree with what you are saying!

moo

 

[Knox]

Some of the cases referenced in the article I linked above, do not appear to have anywhere near the volume found on SA's Mama's computer.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Can someone be arrested for the *advertiser censored* say for only 10 pictures and later show there was more? like a thousand counts?
Or does the DA need a certain number and stick to it?

IMO, I think SA/BD? might go down for drugs or *advertiser censored* before anything about Hailey.
GJ is only for Hailey, right?

Sorry I am so confused in some of this. Lots of double talk.
LE trying to keep SA/BD from knowing what they really now about all of this.

Passion,I believe the GJ will be for both, at two different times, Hailey and CP, as they are two separate charges.

 

[Pink Panther]

It sounds like there are a few investigations going on at the same time. Hailey missing, *advertiser censored* and drugs. Maybe they will all be handled separately. Also, I was under the impression that CP (especially when it crosses "state lines" via the internet) is a federal crime. Is that incorrect? If it is a federal crime then I don't believe that the GJ will necessarily be held in either counties.

Does anyone know how this works?

 

[TexasGiGi]

http://bigspringherald.com/content/local-man-guilty-child-*advertiser censored*-possession
Here is an article about a Big Spring man found guilty of cp, he went before a federal grand jury in January in Lubbock.

 

[Knox]

U.S. v. Allen, --- F.3d ----, 2010 WL 4343163 (C.A.5 (Tex.))
Search warrant for defendant's home was supported by probable cause to believe that child *advertiser censored* would be found there; the search warrant affidavit explained in detail how law enforcement investigation had found that internet provider address registered to defendant was user of peer-to-peer network that traded child *advertiser censored* images.

Peer-to-Peer Networks Remain Target of Child *advertiser censored* Investigations
Although a federal judge ordered peer-to-peer (“P2P”) network LimeWire to shut down last month due to copyright infringement issues, investigations continue by law enforcement officials into the use of older versions of LimeWire and other P2P networks as forums for the distribution of child *advertiser censored*.
http://www.philadelphiacriminaldefenselawyerblog.com/2010/11/peertopeer_networks_remain_tar.html

We don't know how many of the images are CP, but if you were a betting person how many would you guess there to be? If only 10% of the total were CP that would be 10,800 images. The peer to peer network, could not only be Limewire, but online gaming too. Which brings us back to those XBoxes again.

 

[Carrington]

Yeah Knox, the XBoxes are the smoking gun IMO.

 

[curiousc]

Go Downstairs!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130622&page=3