She could have died from any number of things. Drug or alcohol overdose, Long QT, hitting her head. Parents interview makes it clear they believe she was in very poor shape. Of course none of it explains where she is.
You don't need a body to prosecute, but at least you need some evidence and an idea of what happened.
And even in cases where it's pretty obvious who the suspect is, prosecution is not eager to prosecute without a body.
I am not sure police has anything like that here.
Did anyone post these yet? (Sorry if I missed them)
Spierer Family: Students know more than they're saying
video.foxnews.com/v/2424318810001/spierer-family-students-know-more-than-theyre-saying-/
Interview with retired FBI agent
video.foxnews.com/v/2424247417001/lauren-spierers-disappearance-baffles-investigators/
Interesting tidbit about JR from today's Bloomington H-T newspaper, a "what the POI are doing then and now" article:
"Now: Formed Imovation Solutions with childhood friend David Bleznak in January 2012. The Birmingham, Mich.-based company promotes brands ...They created an advergame for Five Hour Energy drink.
A phone call last week to the number listed for Imovation Solutions resulted in a call to a company called Bleznak Associates. The woman who answered the phone said Jay Rosenbaum does not work there."
Maybe the out-of-town guest and his host had a tiff. For me, the out-of-towners are the biggest unknown and therefore the biggest wildcard, and rate much higher in likelihood than random abduction.
Meanwhile...smh at JW's mother. Anger management issues and a lack of tact must run in the family.
http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/st...rs-in-the-spierer-case-where-are-they-now.sto
That interview was gut wrenching. I've said before that because I am the exact same physical size as Lauren, and because my little girl is like my clone except my little girl is blonde with the same blue eyes as Laurens, I've always drawn these eventual physical parallels between Lauren and my daughter. Then when CS said that about the way Lauren pretended as a little girl, I gasped. My daughter does the exact same thing, From that point on through the interview I filled with a visceral empathy for CS. I actual even feel emotionally spent after watching that. I want so much for them to find her and I want so much for their pain to be eased to whatever extent that is can be.
In LinkedIn under DB's account is states: Leasing Associate at Tucker Development Corporation Location Chicago, Illinois Industry Commercial Real Estate
April 2013 Present (3 months)Highlans Park, IL
So it appears maybe JR and DB have parted ways. To bad the Spierer's can't get DB to talk to them. Bet he knows just as much as the 5N guys.
Snipped by me. I have had the occasional thought that what JR might have given LS to sober her up ended up doing her in. Not Red Bull or coffee, but something a lot harder, like another drug. He might have thought he was doing her a favor but it backfired.
Or maybe it did work and she somehow stumbled out the door. But I stick by the thought that a decent guy wouldn't let a young woman leave without a cell phone and shoes at 4 in the morning. That alone is suspect, IMO. He may have not known about her keys, but it would be obvious that she was barefoot and without her phone.
I also think your ideas about the out of town guest make sense.
Snipped by me. I have had the occasional thought that what JR might have given LS to sober her up ended up doing her in. Not Red Bull or coffee, but something a lot harder, like another drug. He might have thought he was doing her a favor but it backfired.
Or maybe it did work and she somehow stumbled out the door. But I stick by the thought that a decent guy wouldn't let a young woman leave without a cell phone and shoes at 4 in the morning. That alone is suspect, IMO. He may have not known about her keys, but it would be obvious that she was barefoot and without her phone.
I also think your ideas about the out of town guest make sense.
Abbey... just watched those videos. Thanks!
Things that caught my attention:
Rob and Charlene reiterated that they did speak with JR with an attorney, but had not been able to speak to either CR or MB. Hearing this again it stuck out to me that MB, who according to his own story was rather removed from the events of the night, has chosen not to speak to the Spierer's. Later in the video Charlene refers to the notion that MB was "supposedly sober and working on a paper". If the story of the 5N guys was true, I don't know why MB would refuse to talk to the Spierer's even with an attorney. Perhaps he is just scared of somehow being implicated... but it seems to me that public suspicion lies mostly with CR and JR.
When asked which one young man in particular they would most like to have a discussion with and ask questions of, Rob answered Corey. Personally, I find this interesting. It is understandable because CR was with Lauren the entire night and he is the individual who should have gotten her help much earlier in the evening. However, they do not mention JR and that he is supposedly the last person to see Lauren and to watch her walk away, and he is essentially confirming the CR and MB's stories while taking the blame as the last person to be with Lauren.
The Spierer's stated in this video that they in fact have not been able to view the Smallwood video of Lauren and Corey. This may already be known by y'all, but I wanted to point it out because I wasn't sure.
The Spierer's also state that LE has never contacted them regarding another assault in Bloomington indicating that they see a possibility it is connected to Lauren's case. Of course, LE doesn't share everything about the investigation with the family.
The Spierer's seem to focus most of their attention on the 5N gang.. but they do mention that there is a small chance an abduction is possible.
I have a great amount of respect for the Spierer's. They appear to conduct themselves with class and dignity throughout the most difficult time any parent could go through. JW's parents and CR have recently spoken out against the Spierer's in the media. While the Spierer's are honest about their suspicions of the POI's, I do not see them name calling, inciting the public, or throwing cheap insults around. In the public eye, at least, they speak of the boys as respectfully as possible (difficult in some instances).<snipped a little for space>
Every single comment by the POI, their parents and lawyers seems to be nothing but insincerity, lies and attempts to manipulate public perception.
And yes, fully agree with you about the Spierers. They've shown nothing but grace, and it just brings out the true colors of the POI even more by contrast.
I hesitate to say this but here goes.... We don't really have any idea what tactics the Spierers might be using in the background. More importantly, what about the PI's they've hired? The Spierers could stay above the fray while they let the PI's do any number of things that could be causing the friction we've now heard from a couple of people.
The Spierers could even tell the PI's "Do what you gotta do, we don't want to know how you operate. Just do it.". The PsOI and their families are still going to blame the Spierers for any pressure or issues the PI's are causing them even if the Spierers are giving perfectly sympathetic and carefully thought out interviews to the press.
And who could blame them for manipulating the press all things considered? Who could blame them for pressures they might be exerting from behind the scenes on the PsOI? I wouldn't be surprised if they were much less passive behind the scenes than they come off in interviews.
Do we really think these people/family just snapped the way they did because a reporter had some questions for the first time in months?
TG's blog post of June 18 said that LS was at Kilroy's alone and was made to leave because of her condition. The information was attributed to "a person close to the case" and "sources who were at Kilroy's."BBM. It might make their parents angry, but these guys aren't decent. No matter what Lauren might have been up against, no decent person leaves someone
in need of help stranded.
No matter what turns out, if JR did let her leave, he should always remember that he could have even called her parents to intervene if she insisted on leaving.
Once at a big event I was hosting, one of my waiters/mgrs ( 10 yr. employee) got really drunk, and it was totally behind my back, there were several bars set up and he went from one to another.
When I noticed he was totally soused I took his keys from his things. he wanted to leave, and I told him I had the keys and would have someone drive him home as soon as we could. He got angry, and when I wasn't looking, took a whole pitcher of water and threw it in my face!! Then, I was peeved and told this waiter to take him out to the patio. The waiter came back and said he was passed out on a picnic table. While I was busy, this supposedly passed out guy somehow got his keys because when I went to check on him later, he was gone and then I ran back and saw his keys were gone.
I should have fired him but didn't. Later that year, he had moved but wanted to stay over. I asked him if he was still drinking, and he said yes. I asked him if he realized that he could kill someone, even a whole family--from drunken driving. He said he didn't care, and then I told him not to come visit, and that we were no longer friends. Just curious also if Kilroy's or one of the other nearby bars had such a manager or bartender or bouncer.
BBM. It might make their parents angry, but these guys aren't decent. No matter what Lauren might have been up against, no decent person leaves someone
in need of help stranded.
No matter what turns out, if JR did let her leave, he should always remember that he could have even called her parents to intervene if she insisted on leaving.
Once at a big event I was hosting, one of my waiters/mgrs ( 10 yr. employee) got really drunk, and it was totally behind my back, there were several bars set up and he went from one to another.
When I noticed he was totally soused I took his keys from his things. he wanted to leave, and I told him I had the keys and would have someone drive him home as soon as we could. He got angry, and when I wasn't looking, took a whole pitcher of water and threw it in my face!! Then, I was peeved and told this waiter to take him out to the patio. The waiter came back and said he was passed out on a picnic table. While I was busy, this supposedly passed out guy somehow got his keys because when I went to check on him later, he was gone and then I ran back and saw his keys were gone.
I should have fired him but didn't. Later that year, he had moved but wanted to stay over. I asked him if he was still drinking, and he said yes. I asked him if he realized that he could kill someone, even a whole family--from drunken driving. He said he didn't care, and then I told him not to come visit, and that we were no longer friends. Just curious also if Kilroy's or one of the other nearby bars had such a manager or bartender or bouncer.
I don't think they snapped at all. I think they were trying to manipulate the media on the anniversary of Lauren's disappearance. It's obvious and it's despicable, IMO.
If the POI actually had anything to go on as far as unfair tactics, I'm sure they would make it public. Since they haven't, why would I assume the Spierers have done anything wrong or that they are manipulating the media? There's zero evidence of that.
Why would DB and/or other out of town guest, who have never been named POI or focused on by the Spierers, be more likely suspects than the people who have been named POI, and who haven't fully cooperated with the investigation?
Not a snarky question, and I have nothing against looking into these guys. I wish we had more info on them!
I'm just trying to follow the logic...
I need a clarification. RS/CS have said that CR has refused to talk to them. I thought I also read that CR has not talked to LE. If this is true, how can his attorney keep LE from questioning him? Did he meet with LE and just not said anything or has he not met with LE? If his attorney had kept CR from taking to LE wouldn't that be interferring with an investigation?