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narlacat said:Someone was definitely doing something to that child.
But is it the same someone that killed her?
Common sense must relate the two?
RiverRat said:"Acute inflammatory infiltrate is not seen."
Good point Sharpar. From what others posted here, Patsy became very evasive when asked if she or her sisters had ever been abused. Also, Nedra Paugh's strange comment that it is possible that JB was "a little abused" sends chills down my spine. What kind of warped family was that, where abuse was obviously downplayed?sharpar said:Twinkiesmom - ( like your hat BTW ) you are right on the escalation of behavior, I am concluding that the abuse had been on going for awhile since evidence of prior abuse was stated according to some of the experts giving an opinion. I also believe the abuser was well known to JonBenet and trust had been well established long before any incidents occurred. Therefore, I stand by my opinion that the abuser was either a female or a very young male. I believe an adult male abuser who was capable of murder wouldnt stop at a digit.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I too think Patsy is dissociative.Toltec said:When asked if she or her sisters suffered any type of abuse, she went into this dissociative state...body language changed and her voice softened...like she turned into a child.
Nedra was the first domino.rashomon said:Also, Nedra Paugh's strange comment that it is possible that JB was "a little abused" sends chills down my spine.
Patsy used/abused JonBenet in the pageants and in the photo sessions. That pattern expanded and escalated.rashomon said:I'm begining to think it is possible that Patsy herself might have abused JB. But if it was so, John's behavior is enigmatic to me. For it would mean that this man has been covering up for his wife who not only molested, but also killed his daughter. What are John's motives for covering up if he was in no way involved in this himself? Is public image so important for these people that they would do anything to keep it up?
I think John had a bar reaching thing, trying to live up to the bar that his father set.sharpar said:Patsy was the abusive one, John was the one driven by image and social
standing.
JMO
sharpar said:....... I believe an adult male abuser who was capable of murder wouldnt stop at a digit. It is my opinion and you may choose to disagree. That's fine wth me.
I think you have made a lot of excellent points in this post twinkiesmom (ie everything you say is in agreement with what I think).twinkiesmom said:Again, I think you have confused the pattern of behavior of a child predator (kidnap, rape, murder) with that of a familial-type child molestor (win trust, seduce, molest).
If it was a family member or close family friend who was the perp, he would not rape a small child via intercourse. He would wait until the child was at least prepubescent to build the trust and for the child to grow large enough to not leave visible damage. He doesn't want to get ratted out, and he doesn't want the child to land in a hospital. He's also deluding himself over the course of many years that his behavior is not abnormal.
I don't understand why you and everyone else is giving JR a pass. I am not convinced PR is the perp other than involved in coverup. Statistics bear out that a male should be the perpetrator in this case.
Yes, I am not enamored of PR and can see that she's basically nuts. But every woman I've known (and there are quite a few) who is an abuse victim has acted nuts. And I think you can exhibit a lot of histrionics without being the one in the family who is really the sick one. I think what we are seeing in her is the result of abuse rather than the cause of it.
Those of you who think JR is a dolt have missed the mark entirely. This is a man with high intelligence who has started several businesses and is a self-made millionaire. We have someone of that stature in our family, and he is generally clueless about his kids, so that doesn't surprise me about JR.
I just wonder if JR has been acquitted in the media and on the message boards because that's what his large spin team wants us to think. I do not believe JR loves PR enough to cover for her if she were the sole perpetrator of this crime. I think he loves himself too much for that.
Excellent observation! I agree 100%!sharpar said:Patsy had many issues and while she was an indulgent mother I dont think she was a good one. Everything is always about her, its all about status, image and an overblown arrogance that is out of proportion. She claimed christianity but seems to ignore all of its tenets.
I see little evidence that JonBenet was a person in her own right, who was allowed to simply be a normal child and alot that she was merely a reflection of The divine P ................ JMO