Well their public reputation and perception is not boding well with me today. Redtape can be cleared up real fast if they want it too. You are right Gabe is a human being and there is no physical evidence that he is dead so I ask and plead to the SAPD, why not give this 100% effort and include the FBI in your one last shot to find him?
Justice for Gabriel: Legal & Moral
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Well their public reputation and perception is not boding well with me today. Redtape can be cleared up real fast if they want it too. You are right Gabe is a human being and there is no physical evidence that he is dead so I ask and plead to the SAPD, why not give this 100% effort and include the FBI in your one last shot to find him?
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That's a good question. Ordinarily that decision is made by the Chief of the SAPD. They respond, of course, not only to public pressure, but to pressure on the job. Pressure would come from the DA, the mayor, the governor.
The DA:
http://www.bexar.org/da2/
The mayor:
http://www.sanantonio.gov/mayor/
The governor:
http://www.governor.state.tx.us/
The Chief of SAPD is William McManus:
http://www.sanantonio.gov/sapd/contact.asp
The lead detective on Gabe's case is Jesse Salame:
homicide@sanantonio.gov
210-207-7676
There are also the senators and congressmen:
http://www.fyi.legis.state.tx.us/City.aspx?CityCode=65000&CityName=San Antonio
Please note that I am simply answering your question and providing the info. No campaigns can be organized on Websleuths without Tricia's permission. If people would like to request permission to organize a letter writing campaign to re-open Gabe's missing person case and keep it open and active unless and until physical evidence of his death is found, I'm happy to take it forward to Tricia.
BeanE
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Britannee Drexel's parents are going through the same thing:
http://www.thesunnews.com/2010/04/18/1426971/drexels-parents-hopeful-shes-out.html
http://www.thesunnews.com/2010/04/18/1426971/drexels-parents-hopeful-shes-out.html
Since we know now that he believes this due to the journal, can we assume (I hate that word), that Ken believes this over the texts that were sent? If that is the case, I'm sure he is confident, due to the information he has available to him, WHY is the FBI not involved. Why are they not looking for Gabe?
Wow, again why isn't the FBI involved in this case?
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I thought kidnappings that crossed state lines were already in the realm of the FBI. or is it because Logan wasnt yet granted custody? but she was charged with kidnapping, yes?
Love all the information on this thread as well as all the hard work everyone is doing to dispel rumors and keep fighting for little Gabe.
I did read the thread on Ken Gamble and it led me to the same questions about the FBI. I find it disheartening at best and disgusting that red tape is the reason for them not being involved, using every resource possible to find ANY missing person. As citizens of the US, don't we have the right to protection by any/all law enforcement agencies possible?
If LE has this "journal", can prove it is in E's writing, then that should be enough to get the FBI involved. As for SAPD starting a homicide investigation, therefore ending the missing persons investigation, are they not changing their course to prevent E from getting out of jail? Seems bizarre, if that were the course.
Looks like it's time, if Gabes father believes Ken, for the family to contact and plead with the FBI to get involved. I hate red tape! Not saying this would do any good, but a journal and a ring worth a lot of money, should at least get the SAPD interested in searching for Gabe! This would open the door for the FBI, please God!
I really like the letter writing campaign idea with Tricia's permission.
BeanE
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LE does have the journal.
To clarify, the FBI was initially involved in Gabe's case, when there was a missing person case.
Gabe's father and family already have gone to the FBI to try to get them involved again. Again, they can not without an open missing person case.
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I just don't understand this. EJ is in jail in another state on separate charges and it appears as though she will be there for some time. SAPD had a lot of time on their side to continue with a missing persons investigation, which would have enabled them to utilize the services of the FBI, before switching gears to a homicide one. I wonder who is making these decisions and why?
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It starts with the detectives working the investigation. They did have the FBI working with them in the beginning. As they go along, following leads, one of two things happens - they see signs that the missing person is alive, or they don't. When they don't, it's called a "lack of life", and when there's a "lack of life", they proceed on the assumption that the person is dead.
Doesn't make much sense, does it? You would think, to do right by our fellow humankind, they would look to see if they have a "sign of death", some piece of physical evidence that tells them that this missing person is definitely dead, and only then proceed as if the person is dead, and otherwise proceed as if the person is alive. That would seem the right thing to do for our fellow human beings.
I can even understand when, say, someone is lost out in the mountains, where it becomes very cold at night. I can understand after a certain number of days where you can scientifically determine that this person, at their age, in their physical condition, at their height and weight, with the amount of food and water they are known to have or could acquire, could not possibly survive past a certain number of days. That makes sense to me.
But this? Without a single piece of physical evidence that Gabe is even harmed, let alone dead? I can not understand it, and I can not accept it. Some things are just plain wrong.
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If SAPD has closed the missing person case, shouldn't EJ be charged with homicide?
If EJ is NOT charged with homicide, shouldn't SAPD keep the missing person case OPEN (and the FBI involved)?
Seems like Gabriel is not being treated fairly either way?
If EJ is NOT charged with homicide, shouldn't SAPD keep the missing person case OPEN (and the FBI involved)?
Seems like Gabriel is not being treated fairly either way?
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It is also confusing to me that just before the landfill search, SAPD had a missing person case, and then opened a homicide case, concurrently, to allow them to justify the landfill search (as I understood it). Then AFTER the landfill search, which yielded NOTHING, they then kept the HOMICIDE CASE (AFTER THEY FOUND NO EVIDENCE), and CLOSED the missing person case??:waitasec:
How is that suppose to make sense?
How is that suppose to make sense?
BeanE
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SAPD is taking one last shot at finding Gabe alive. You would think, to do right by Gabe, they would bring in the FBI for that.
BeanE
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Based solely on my non-expert knowledge after following these cases for some years, my guess is that the prosecutor is willing to go with a no body homicide case.
Since SAPD accepted donations to cover the expenses of the one, limited landfill search, it tells me they don't have money to put into much of any more searching for Gabe's body. They could, of course, bring in TES for land searches, whose services are free of charge to LE. Team Alex does landfill searches, but I don't recall if their services have to be paid for or subsidized by LE, or if they also are funded privately via donations.
So, if SAPD has no money for body searches, and the prosector is willing to go with a no body case, there's no incentive, other than human decency and ethics, to continue searches. SAPD would just turn it over to the willing prosecutor.
This conundrum is what leads me to believe it is NO ACCIDENT that there are so many "adoption agencies" located in San Antonio. The handling of this case seems, on the surface, to have reeked from the very beginning. I hate to think how many lower profile babies have disappeared down the rabbit hole in San Antonio and the heartbroken families that were left defenseless. At least Gabriel has good publicity and this one case will not go away until it is solved!
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Any news on this? Can we do a campaign?
I am beyond frustrated that Gabriel has not been located yet and how this case has been handled. I am so sick of the criminals rights being protected and the victims not. Criminals should not have rights until the victims are found...Maybe that will change their tune.
BeanE, Can you ask Tricia for us re: the letter campaign?
Thanks Boo Scout for the below post. I have never seen the foundation page before.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5105381&postcount=258"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Hand off of Gabriel at Raymond Rimkus Park[/ame]
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At the bottom of the foundation page it says
Is this an older site that I missed somehow? It has a FBI phone# on it and it is out of Texas.
http://babygabrielfoundation.org/story.html
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5105381&postcount=258"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Hand off of Gabriel at Raymond Rimkus Park[/ame]
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At the bottom of the foundation page it says
Is this an older site that I missed somehow? It has a FBI phone# on it and it is out of Texas.
http://babygabrielfoundation.org/story.html
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It IS the San Antonio FBI phone # http://sanantonio.fbi.gov/
5740 University Heights
San Antonio, TX 78249
Phone: (210) 225-6741
Fax: (210) 650-6153
E-mail: SanAntonio@ic.fbi.gov