GUILTY KS - Alicia DeBolt, 14, Great Bend, 21 August 2010 - #4

Quite a few more motions added as of Oct 19/11. AL seems to know more about his rights than his atty's do! What a creep, such a whiner.....
 
EB is an enigma. So desperate for a Man at any cost.....Jeez it would take me years to get over the fact that the Idiot I was coexisting with was involved in this horrific crime. I just wonder about her.....
 
I wish I could watch the videos I feel like im missing so much.

Glad to see you back Cathdawg!! You were missed.

I dont know what to take from the male DNA in her mouth except there had to be someone else there when it happened. In the beginning of the whole thing there was local gossip about the possibility of more than one person being involved. Maybe the friend AL said asked for money? Surely he and the ex boyfriend have both been tested. I am very intrigued to find the truth. I just hope this doesnt help his case. He needs to be put away for the rest of his life.

I agree AL knows more than his attorney seems too but he got his education in prison where they are all looking for loop holes and in too many ways finding them.

As for EB if her family doesnt trust her there must be a reason. You can put on a persona for strangers but the family knows. I will never understand a woman who thinks she has to have a man in her life to be whole.
This is all JMO
 
If AD and AL's DNA were found on the car floor mats then yes they did have some sort of sexual act between them and who knows if it was consensual. I am just wondering if AD later met up with someone else, AL found out and went into a rage. It appears that he was too into her to kill her ......unless someone else 'had' her and he being a sicko thought okay I take care of this.....just one of my crazy thoughts. Someone knows a heck of alot more.....I am sure who's DNA was found on her body does not have a criminal record.
 
Hey Lady, so good to see you. :seeya: I know what you mean regarding the frustrations of lady justice sometimes...and I should also borrow your Molly Maid apron at times and not be here at WS too much. :innocent:



It can be either....I wasn't sure and had to look it up.



I think a few have pondered that Flossie. TBH, since this last "bombshell" of the other DNA being found, I had wondered if it could have been EB's ...as a part of the rape scenario as well; but it was said to be other male DNA. I don't know that much about DNA, but curious if it is that easy to determine....and if so, I hope LE can find out just whose!!! It's important.

We have heard AD was texting others after being picked up by AL, but not who and what was being said. They have held that back for now, but I'm certainly curious about it.

On another note of contemplation: AL was ask to be an informant and then it was signed off on just a few days before AD's murder. Don't they do a "sorta background check" or "know" just who he is associating with before they do that? I would think!!!:waitasec::maddening:

thanks hollyblue, I keep wondering at her possible involvement. Such a terribly sad case, just heartbreaking :(
 
http://www.kansas.com/2011/10/23/2073659/decision-may-speed-up-case.html

Prosecutors decided not to seek death penalty in the trial of Adam Longoria, accused of killing a teenage girl.

A decision by the Kansas Attorney General's Office not to seek the death penalty in the killing of a Great Bend teen may hasten the pace of the case, legal experts say.

Prosecutors say they were concerned whether they could prove Adam Longoria qualified for the death penalty under Kansas law. But keeping the capital murder charges allows them to seek a sentence of life without parole.

Taking away the possibility of execution could simplify the pursuit of justice.

Longoria, 36, is charged in the sexual assault and death of Alicia DeBolt in August 2010. On Oct. 6, prosecutors told Barton County District Judge Hannelore Kitts they would not seek the death penalty.

That should change how quickly the case moves through the justice system, saving Kansans hundreds of thousands of dollars.

"It really can be much more like a first-degree murder case," said Sarah Johnson, an attorney who handles appeals representing death row inmates in Kansas.

Death penalty cases cost about a half-million dollars more than those where the defendant does not face execution. That's according to a 2003 state study, which remains the most recent comprehensive information available.

Part of that cost comes from lengthy death penalty proceedings.

"In death penalty cases there are really two trials," said Elizabeth Cateforis, an associate professor who teaches death penalty law at the University of Kansas. "First the jury has to determine whether or not a defendant is guilty. Then there's like another trial to determine whether to impose death."

During that sentencing phase, the defense is required to present what are known as mitigating circumstances.

Those may include psychological evaluations and details about the background of the defendant. They are not meant to excuse the crime, but rather present reasons why the jury should consider a non-death sentence.

"The defense is expected to overturn every nook and cranny of a defendant's life, and the state has to do the same in order to prepare to answer those," Johnson said. "When you don't have the death penalty, you don't have to hire a mitigation specialist."

The average capital murder case where prosecutors are seeking the death penalty costs Kansas taxpayers $1.2 million, according to the 2003 state audit requested by legislators. Cases not involving the death penalty averaged $750,000 — including the costs of a life prison sentence.

The state, meanwhile, must prove "aggravating factors," proving the crime was worse than other murders.

In order for jurors to find that the defendant should die, they must unanimously determine aggravating factors outweigh mitigating circumstances beyond a reasonable doubt.

Attorneys on both sides of the Longoria case are prohibited from discussing details outside of court. But a brief filed by Deputy Attorney General Vic Braden explained the state's difficulty proving the aggravating factors required by law in a death penalty case. They include:

* The victim was killed in an attempt by the accused to avoid arrest.

* The victim was killed because he or she was a witness to a crime.

* The victim was killed in an especially "heinous and cruel manner."

Braden said the state's theory is that Longoria was obsessed with the girl and killed her after sexually assaulting her. That leaves little evidence of the first two factors, Braden said.

DeBolt's body was bound with duct tape and set on fire. Braden said evidence obtained since last year supports a theory that she died before her body was set on fire.

"Although this prosecutor and probably many citizens of Kansas find the act of burning the body of a 14-year-old girls as evil ,(state law) does not list desecration of a victim's body as an aggravating circumstance for the death penalty," Braden wrote.

In an inconsistency of laws, burning a body could be used to seek a sentence of life without parole for 50 years in a non-capital murder case.

Jury selection should also be streamlined because prosecutors are not seeking the death penalty.
 
If AD and AL's DNA were found on the car floor mats then yes they did have some sort of sexual act between them and who knows if it was consensual. I am just wondering if AD later met up with someone else, AL found out and went into a rage. It appears that he was too into her to kill her ......unless someone else 'had' her and he being a sicko thought okay I take care of this.....just one of my crazy thoughts. Someone knows a heck of alot more.....I am sure who's DNA was found on her body does not have a criminal record.

That depends on what exactly the sample is and how much DNA is there. If it is on the floormat of the car and both persons used the car, it is possible for DNA to get mixed up by coincidence.

Someone else's DNA in her mouth wouldn't necessarily mean some sort of sexual act, she might just have been kissing someone.

I would hope that they have more evidence than just DNA though, because it sounds like there might be some loopholes in that.
 
That depends on what exactly the sample is and how much DNA is there. If it is on the floormat of the car and both persons used the car, it is possible for DNA to get mixed up by coincidence.

Someone else's DNA in her mouth wouldn't necessarily mean some sort of sexual act, she might just have been kissing someone.

I would hope that they have more evidence than just DNA though, because it sounds like there might be some loopholes in that.


I would think that 'semen' would be a decent sample for DNA.

Evidence at Longoria's first preliminary hearing showed a mixture of DNA belonging to both Longoria and DeBolt in semen stains on the floor mat of a black Ford Escape. The vehicle was titled to Longoria's girlfriend, but he has admitted that he often drove it.


Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/07/21/1941683/longoria-returns-to-court-for.html#ixzz1bjlzZpLf
 
Hi hollyblue, This other person's DNA found on Alicia was it in her mouth or on her body? I am confused, TIA
 
Has this article been posted? It is old (July/11), however I did not realize that EB and AD entered a texting war, boy I would love to see these.....also I did not realize or I forgot that the Pathologist stated that AD was dead prior to her body being set on fire. So...did he leave her remains at the 'Plant' and went back to get the gas or was she somewhere else ie his car or ? and then brought her corpse to the plant? I am thinking about the time frame.

July 21: By just after midnight, Longoria had obtained a new cellphone and given his old one to Eva Brown. When Brown saw that her boyfriend and Alicia had been texting, "she enters into a texting war with Alicia," a document said. The two exchanged 19 messages in 20 minutes.


 
WOW. That's all I can say after reading that article posted above. I'm just confused because it seemed that at some point, AD decided that AL was not the person she ought to be hanging around. At least that is what the texts seemed to indicate. So it would be strange to me that she just decided to get in the car with him that night. If the article is correctly conveying AD's leeriness to get in his car, I can only think that he must have been with someone that she knew that last time.

I don't know if she ever met up with him at all between the bday party and her death, but if she didn't, she might not have known that the truck was his until she got it in? I'm speculating that he when he got a new phone, he might have started telling her that he was someone else? I don't know. Can't figure that out based on that article. But why would she consistently turn him down, but say yes that final night?:waitasec:
 
I would think that 'semen' would be a decent sample for DNA.

Evidence at Longoria's first preliminary hearing showed a mixture of DNA belonging to both Longoria and DeBolt in semen stains on the floor mat of a black Ford Escape. The vehicle was titled to Longoria's girlfriend, but he has admitted that he often drove it.


Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/07/21/1941683/longoria-returns-to-court-for.html#ixzz1bjlzZpLf

Not necessarily. It depends on how much DNA was there and where it came from. If she had been in the vehicle at some point her DNA could contaminate a pre-existing semen stain for example. It is not unreasonable to suppose that she had at some point, given their relationship. So, the correlation with sexual contact must be proven.

More telling would be finding his DNA in/on her, especially sperm. But apparently the DNA that was found was from another male, not Longoria. If they did have sexual contact that resulted in sperm being deposited on the floor, there should be some sign of that on the body.
 
Has this article been posted? It is old (July/11), however I did not realize that EB and AD entered a texting war, boy I would love to see these.....also I did not realize or I forgot that the Pathologist stated that AD was dead prior to her body being set on fire. So...did he leave her remains at the 'Plant' and went back to get the gas or was she somewhere else ie his car or ? and then brought her corpse to the plant? I am thinking about the time frame.

July 21: By just after midnight, Longoria had obtained a new cellphone and given his old one to Eva Brown. When Brown saw that her boyfriend and Alicia had been texting, "she enters into a texting war with Alicia," a document said. The two exchanged 19 messages in 20 minutes.



Interesting. Unless they have managed to locate these items they were talking about, it doesn't sound like they have much direct evidence implicating him. What about this Eva person? Did she testify directly or was it only her sister? If so then that would be hearsay. While they could get a search warrant with that, surely it would not be admissable in trial. It seems odd that the sister would be testifying and not Eva herself. What does she have to say about this?

If sexual assault took place in the vehicle, presumably that is where she would have been subdued, so why no evidence of that (the blood for example). If the blood originated from events outside the vehicle afterwards, then there should be some sign of it in or on the vehicle as well. All of this happened in one and a half hours, that does not seem to be enough time to have fetched her, done the deed and disposed of the body without leaving more than a few traces in the vehicle. The sister claimed that he had come home stinking of gasoline. If so, there should have been some residue of that in the vehicle. Was there? what about his shoes? Bleach would not have destroyed all signs of blood, there would be something left (not to mention bleach itself).
 
Hi hollyblue, This other person's DNA found on Alicia was it in her mouth or on her body? I am confused, TIA

Per AL, her mouth...per his attorney...her body. So...atm..???
 
Has this article been posted? It is old (July/11), however I did not realize that EB and AD entered a texting war, boy I would love to see these.....also I did not realize or I forgot that the Pathologist stated that AD was dead prior to her body being set on fire. So...did he leave her remains at the 'Plant' and went back to get the gas or was she somewhere else ie his car or ? and then brought her corpse to the plant? I am thinking about the time frame.

July 21: By just after midnight, Longoria had obtained a new cellphone and given his old one to Eva Brown. When Brown saw that her boyfriend and Alicia had been texting, "she enters into a texting war with Alicia," a document said. The two exchanged 19 messages in 20 minutes.




I believe the prosecution's theory is: He left her body there, went to get the gas and returned.

Longoria drove from an asphalt plant, where he had worked, to a Love's convenience store in Great Bend, where he bought gasoline. He returned to her body, poured gas on it and set it on fire, prosecutors allege
I''m, beside my myself that this 30 something yr old woman was in pizzy texting war with a 14 yr old girl. She apparently texted AD that she was his wife. Lisa's testimony about how EB "saw things" just shows how immature and insecure she was....and how AL was only using her for a place to stay and an occasional "good time". Wasn't it mentioned in the beginning how her mother (AD's) had rec'd a phone call or something and had told AD to stay away from AL?​
 
Interesting. Unless they have managed to locate these items they were talking about, it doesn't sound like they have much direct evidence implicating him. What about this Eva person? Did she testify directly or was it only her sister? If so then that would be hearsay. While they could get a search warrant with that, surely it would not be admissable in trial. It seems odd that the sister would be testifying and not Eva herself. What does she have to say about this?

If sexual assault took place in the vehicle, presumably that is where she would have been subdued, so why no evidence of that (the blood for example). If the blood originated from events outside the vehicle afterwards, then there should be some sign of it in or on the vehicle as well. All of this happened in one and a half hours, that does not seem to be enough time to have fetched her, done the deed and disposed of the body without leaving more than a few traces in the vehicle. The sister claimed that he had come home stinking of gasoline. If so, there should have been some residue of that in the vehicle. Was there? what about his shoes? Bleach would not have destroyed all signs of blood, there would be something left (not to mention bleach itself).

Eva did testify at the preliminary, and I'm sure there is a signed statement by her also. Maybe it's 'sealed' or not available to public?
She was something else....saying she was going to wait to see how the trial goes on whether or not she would continue her relationship with AL. There was a "mess" about common law wife, etc. .....Unreal. :crazy:
 
Thanks hollyblue, I think I need to go back and figure out the timeline for that Eve., I wish we had one. I can not trust EB's rendition. If one were to rely on the time she stated when he came home then we are talking about an hr or so ......IF my memory serves me correctly.
 

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