Laura Babcock Murder Trial 10.27.17 - Day 5

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 42s42 seconds ago
Sometimes Laura would be OK, sometimes she would send nasty messages to Noudga. "She would get upset and lash out." #Babcock

Liam Casey‏Verified account @liamdevlincasey 20s20 seconds ago
Laura Babcock would send mean texts to Dellen Millard's girlfriend, Christina Noudga, says Noudga's best friend.

marianne boucher‏ @CityCourtsTO 18s18 seconds ago
Says Babcock would get very upset and lash out about Noudga's relationship w Millard. Some times okay w it. After boyfriend breakup, upset.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 16s16 seconds ago
Feb 12, 2012 was Laura #Babcock's birthday. Karoline and Christina were having drinks. She and Laura were not speaking at the time

Oct 27 2017 12:42 PM
Shannon Martin

Crown asks if Noudga and Babcock ever met. Shirinian says yes.

"They would get along sometimes, most of the times they didn't...After Christina started dating Delllen, Laura would be okay with it sometimes, then she would get upset and lash out."

"(Laura) would say rude things, send her nasty text messages."

Shirinian says Babcock got more upset about Noudga and Milard when she and Shawn Lerner broke up.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Karolilne and Christina thought it would be funny if they sent a catty message for #Babcock's birthday.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 57s57 seconds ago
"Happy birthday. It was a year ago I first slept with Dellen," Noudga sent to #Babcock, who wrote back, "I slept w him a couple weeks ago."

marianne boucher‏ @CityCourtsTO 14s14 seconds ago
Babcock could be very rude to Christina Noudga.
So Noudga sent a txt to her says : Happy b day, a year ago today I first slept w Millard.

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Noudga and #Millard were a couple at that time, so that changed Noudga's mood dramatically. She was wondering if it were true, Karoline says

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Noudga was shocked and upset. "I do believe she asked him about it," Shirinian says. They were in Bloor West Village.

marianne boucher‏ @CityCourtsTO 1m1 minute ago
Babcock replied: "That's fine I slept with him a couple of weeks ago"
Noudga was shocked and upset. She spoke to Millard about it.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 37s38 seconds ago
Laura #Babcock told Shirinian she slept with #Millard while he was with Noudga. "It was more than once that she told me."

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 50s50 seconds ago
Shirinian talks about an incident - Babcock's birthday Feb. 12, 2012.
Shirinian and Noudga were having some drinks.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 34s34 seconds ago
"We thought it would be funny if we sent her a catty text message for her birthday," she tells the jury.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 27s27 seconds ago
Shirinian was still friends with both women at the time so hearing "things from both sides." #Babcock

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 39s39 seconds ago
Noudga wrote "Happy birthday, a year ago today was the first time I slept with Dellen."

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 31s31 seconds ago
Shirinian would tell Noudga that #Babcock made the claims, but neither were sure whether to believe the stories.

marianne boucher‏ @CityCourtsTO now
Scharinian knew Babcock had been sleeping w Millard at same time he was dating Noudga. She told Nougda. "I think she didn't believe it."

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 3s3 seconds ago
In 2012, Apr 26, Noudga spent her birthday in Reno and Las Vegas. "She went by herself and met Dellen in Reno." Karoline says.

Liam Casey‏Verified account @liamdevlincasey 9s9 seconds ago
Christina Noudga text to Laura Babcock: Happy birthday, a year ago today was the first time I slept with Dellen.

 

[Velma]

Shannon Martin

Oct 27 2017 12:45 PM
Shirinian talks about an incident - Babcock's birthday Feb. 12, 2012.

Shirinian and Noudga were having some drinks.

"We thought it would be funny if we sent her a catty text message for her birthday," she tells the jury.

The message, written by Noudga to Babcock, said:

Happy birthday, a year ago today was the first time I slept with Dellen.

Shirinian said Laura responded with a message:

"That's fine, I slept with him a couple of weeks ago."

Shirinian now agrees the original text was unnecessary and petty.

Oct 27 2017 12:46 PM
Shirinian said Noudga's mood changed.

"At first shocked, and then upset."

Oct 27 2017 12:47 PM
Shirinian says Noudga spoke to Millard about the text exchange.

Crown asks if Laura ever told Shirinian if she slept with Millard while he was dating Noudga?

Shirinian says yes, more than once.

Oct 27 2017 12:50 PM
Shirinian says she became aware Babcock was missing, through Shawn Lerner (Babcock's former boyfriend).

Shirinian had thought she hadn't heard from Babcock because she was upset with her.

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
When did Shirinian first become aware of Laura's disappearance? When Lerner called 1-1.5 wks later.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
It was less than two weeks after Shirinian declined to go to Rib fest. She helped look for #Babcock by calling phone records.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago
Shirinian said Laura responded with a message: "That's fine, I slept with him a couple of weeks ago."

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Mostly on the phone records were "men who had no interest in talking to me," Shirinian says, shaking her head.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Laura #Babcock used her phone "constantly." But since July 1st, Karoline has had no contact with her "whatsoever."

Liam Casey‏Verified account @liamdevlincasey 17s17 seconds ago
Replying to @liamdevlincasey
Babcock text to Noudga: That’s fine, I slept with him a couple of weeks ago. (according to Noudga and Babcock's friend)

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 17s17 seconds ago
The Crown has now wrapped questioning. Court is done for the day.

 

[Velma]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 55s55 seconds ago
Court is so ahead of schedule there are no more witnesses. Millard & Dungey get the weekend to prepare their cross of Karoline. #Babcock

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 28s28 seconds ago
To be clear, #Babcock court is done for the day.

Shannon Martin

Oct 27 2017 12:54 PM
Shirinian said there was a Facebook group to find Laura, and she joined it.

Since July 2012,
Shirinian has not heard from her.

The Crown has now wrapped questioning. Court is now done for the day.

 

[kramkat]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 55s55 seconds ago
Court is so ahead of schedule there are no more witnesses. Millard & Dungey get the weekend to prepare their cross of Karoline. #Babcock

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 28s28 seconds ago
To be clear, #Babcock court is done for the day.

Shannon Martin

Oct 27 2017 12:54 PM
Shirinian said there was a Facebook group to find Laura, and she joined it.

Since July 2012,
Shirinian has not heard from her.

The Crown has now wrapped questioning. Court is now done for the day.

Why do they get a weekend to prepare?!?! AHHH! I'm on the edge of my seat. This whole jealous love-triangle fiasco is unreal. She calls the texts "catty", I think I have other words for them that I cannot mention here. This whole bizarre, full-of-hatred, case is unfathomable. My heart breaks for LB - seems like she was stuck someplace in her mind that she couldn't escape, and, IMO, seems like DM made it seem he could take her away from it.

 

[Inspector_North]

After the show CN put on at the last trial, LB was in real danger crossing "I only wiped my prints" Noudga.

 

[Oreck]

Is it just me, or is anyone else finding it hard reading marianne boucher's tweets? This date (BBM) seems way off as well. Another reporter (Shannon Martin) mentioned "after Canada Day", but no date.

AnnBro was not clear on this either, and then no crossX ???

 

[Ms.elle]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 21s21 seconds ago
Shirinian knew #Babcock was working as an escort. Had started through a friend Laura had known in high school, who was involved. Julia.

That explains why she and Julia were hanging out with a 53 year old doctor.

 

[james9]

AnnBro was not clear on this either, and then no crossX ???

CrossX is on Monday:

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 55s55 seconds ago
Court is so ahead of schedule there are no more witnesses. Millard & Dungey get the weekend to prepare their cross of Karoline.

 

[caseyjonesin905]

After the show CN put on at the last trial, LB was in real danger crossing "I only wiped my prints" Noudga.

I would now suspect that CN joined the "find LB" facebook group to keep tabs for DM.. Just as she's apt to do here and on other blog sites. Her hands aren't clean here - nor were they for TB. Thankfully she's named in Sharlene's civil suit. I hope she eats no name KD for the rest of her life.

 

[Satchie]

BBM - what a lovely birthday present for Laura. :sigh:

Actually, he was seriously involved with somebody else, anyway.

In the spring of 2011 [May], Dellen Millard arranged for engagement photos to be taken of himself and his fiancee at the Millardair hangar at Pearson airport. But by the time he went to pick up the photos a few weeks later, the wedding had been called off.
http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/12/dellen-millards-engagement-photos.html

 

[Ms.elle]

Shannon Martin

Oct 27 2017 12:45 PM
Shirinian talks about an incident - Babcock's birthday Feb. 12, 2012.

Shirinian and Noudga were having some drinks.

"We thought it would be funny if we sent her a catty text message for her birthday," she tells the jury.

The message, written by Noudga to Babcock, said:

Happy birthday, a year ago today was the first time I slept with Dellen.

Shirinian said Laura responded with a message:

"That's fine, I slept with him a couple of weeks ago."

Shirinian now agrees the original text was unnecessary and petty.

Oct 27 2017 12:46 PM
Shirinian said Noudga's mood changed.

"At first shocked, and then upset."

Oct 27 2017 12:47 PM
Shirinian says Noudga spoke to Millard about the text exchange.

The very fact that CN felt the need to send Laura a message like this reeks of CN's insecurity about her relationship with DM. Its basically her staking her claim to her man.

What's weird about that is that DM seemed to RELISH in people's insecurities. Its interesting that in CN's case, he took action about it to "remove Laura from their lives"

 

[Oreck]

CrossX is on Monday:

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The crossX for Dr.K
After Dr.K says he last heard from LB after Canada Day July 10 or 12, there was no crossX. ???

 

[SnooperDuper]

So LB was with SL and DM at the same time at the time of her birthday at Medieval Times.

That is when DM dropped LB for CN.

KS, LB and CN were best of friends until DM switched favourites.

During this time DM owned a house with and was engaged to another woman; the wedding was cancelled but she continued to be intimately involved with him up until TB's murder. Now I think she was his beard; you know how a gay man might couple with a woman to make his family think he was straight, DM hooked up with a wholesome girl so he looked straight (but opposite of criminal this time) too.

KS, CN: wow, what mean girls. Vicious.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Laura Babcock depressed, unhappy in weeks before disappearance: witness
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/laura-...-weeks-before-disappearance-witness-1.3651955

Jeff Wilson, a film and television producer, says he met Babcock at a bar in Toronto's west end in the summer of 2012 and she asked to move in with him right away.

'Emotionally difficult times': Witnesses detail Laura Babcock's struggles before she went missing
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...s-struggles-before-she-went-missing-1.4374123

Two men who met Laura Babcock in the months before she disappeared in the summer of 2012 were in the witness box Friday, describing her as an intelligent person who was struggling with emotional issues.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Laura Babcock depressed before she vanished, murder trial told
http://torontosun.com/news/crime/laura-babcock-depressed-before-she-vanished-murder-trial-told

A witness in the trial of two men accused of killing Laura Babcock says the young woman was depressed and talked about suicide in the weeks before she vanished five years ago.

 

[Jealoushe]

I would now suspect that CN joined the "find LB" facebook group to keep tabs for DM.. Just as she's apt to do here and on other blog sites. Her hands aren't clean here - nor were they for TB. Thankfully she's named in Sharlene's civil suit. I hope she eats no name KD for the rest of her life.

No name KD is too good for her.

She obviously loves the attention from all this...she is definitely more involved than people know imo.

 

[Tealgrove]

Wow! Just caught up.

I am so saddened for Laura. Depressed, anxious, homeless, working as an escort. Her life was really starting to spiral out of control. Breaks my heart actually.

CN...sigh.....what a piece of work. I actually had a giggle when I read LB's response to that cruel text. A part of me said, Atta Girl! Unfortunately, it's probably what got her killed.

Never in my life have I ever come across a more repugnant group of people. Horrible, mean spirited, entitled, narcissistic, cruel, punks. All of them. And they all managed to find each other.

MOO

 

[zencompass]

Sending thoughts and prayers of strength and comfort towards Laura Babcock's family.

Their courage and great love for their daughter holds them up during this trial.

Mr. Babcock's composure during questions from a man who is accused of murdering his daughter - well this must be a testament to Mr. Babcock's love for his daughter. If indeed (and I believe it) love can move mountains, well it did.