Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #20

[Gerontion]

JerseyGirl thanks for the picture.:seeya:
Yeah, they have taken the picture down it appears, but Thanks to JerseyGirl we have it here.

I am still able to click on the "jpdaily" link and see the full set of four photos of the men in the dingy.

 

[JerseyGirl]

No "wreckage" pictures?

I posted this yesterday.

Chinese air force plane spots new floating objects in south Indian Ocean

Photo taken on April 5, 2014 shows a piece of white floating object spotted by Chinese air force in the southern Indian Ocean. A Chinese air force plane searching for missing Malaysian passenger jet MH370 spotted a number of white floating objects in the search area Saturday. The plane photographed the objects over a period of 20 minutes after spotting them at 11:05 local time. (Xinhua/Huang Shubo)

more pics:
http://english.cntv.cn/2014/04/05/ARTI1396699509241655.shtml

I believe these pictures were taken 59 miles from where the Chinese heard the pings.

 

[MummaP]

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 flew around Indonesian airspace apparently to avoid detection after vanishing from radar screens on March 8, a media report said on Sunday, suggesting the possibility of a more sinister reason behind the jet's disappearance.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...id-radar-report-says/articleshow/33342854.cms

Thanks for this article... I've read it, and not sure what to think...

First thing i do think though, is the possibilty of the aircraft having been detected, and "escorted" out into the middle of the ocean, but nobody is saying it in as many words? Or is it written in such a way to make you think that way?

Jeezo, this just gets harder to figure out by the day!

Being relatively new here on WS, have their been other investigations or incidents that have caused so many threads and so much discussion? (Off topic, i understand, but just curious...)

 

[ilovepierre]

The only thing of interest that I have heard today regarding the flight simulator is that the pilot had been "practicing" emergency landings. Not seeing anything unusual about that. Maybe I missed something!

Ya me neither...:waitasec:
I would think that would be something commonly practiced on a simulator.

 

[Momoffourboys]

I posted this yesterday.

Chinese air force plane spots new floating objects in south Indian Ocean

Photo taken on April 5, 2014 shows a piece of white floating object spotted by Chinese air force in the southern Indian Ocean. A Chinese air force plane searching for missing Malaysian passenger jet MH370 spotted a number of white floating objects in the search area Saturday. The plane photographed the objects over a period of 20 minutes after spotting them at 11:05 local time. (Xinhua/Huang Shubo)

more pics:
http://english.cntv.cn/2014/04/05/ARTI1396699509241655.shtml

Looks an awful lot like the "possible wreckage" from a couple of weeks ago in
This pic. :truce:


http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1460158/mh370-search-looks-debris-breakthrough-new-area

 

[ilovepierre]

How many black boxes are there? And, if two, could they possibly be 300 miles apart?

They have 2-a Flight Data Recorder (FDR) and a Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR).

A flight data recorder (FDR) (also ADR, for accident data recorder) is an electronic device employed to record any instructions sent to any electronic systems on an aircraft. It is a device used to record specific aircraft performance parameters. Another kind of flight recorder is the cockpit voice recorder (CVR), which records conversation in the cockpit, radio communications between the cockpit crew and others (including conversation with air traffic control personnel), as well as ambient sounds.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_data_recorder"]Flight data recorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

So it's entirely possible for them to be 300 miles apart, depending on how the plane hit the water and broke up.

 

[JerseyGirl]

After detecting signals possibly from the black box of the missing Malaysian plane, China's search vessels failed to find any confirmed clues today to conclusively establish that the pings are from the MH370. Vessels of China's ministry of transport searching for the missing passenger jet have searched a total of 136,000 square kilometers by midday today, Zhuo Li, an official with the China Maritime Search and Rescue Center, said.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/mh37...ssing-jet-1424627.html?utm_source=ref_article

 

[JerseyGirl]

Here's another picture:

In this image taken from video, a member of a Chinese search team uses an instrument to detect electronic pulses while searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, on board the patrol vessel Haixun 01, in the search area in the southern Indian Ocean on Saturday.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/intern...o-clues-for-missing-flight/article5878462.ece

After detecting signals possibly from the black box of the missing Malaysian plane, China’s search vessels failed to find any confirmed clues today to conclusively establish that the pings are from the MH370.

 

[Gerontion]

Is it rude to be logged in here, and nod off for 8-9hrs, after having selected the "remember me" button? Does that waste bandwidth or something?

 

[JerseyGirl]

After reviewing radar track data from neighboring countries, officials have concluded that the passenger jet curved north of Indonesia before turning south toward the southern Indian Ocean. Its path took it around Indonesian airspace.

Malaysian government officials have said previously that the plane appeared to have been deliberately diverted from its original course, which would have taken it north to Beijing.

“What’s also interesting about this route … is it appears it goes to the designated waypoints that we (pilots) use (and air traffic control uses to give directions),” said CNN aviation analyst Miles O’Brien. “This particular route that is laid out happens to coincide with some of these named intersections. So what it shows is an experienced pilot somewhere in the mix on this.”

O’Brien said that an experienced pilot who had flown in the region would know where radar coverage begins and ends and where radio communication handoffs occur.

He said he was not pointing to any particular individual, as there are several possible scenarios on what may have happened in the cockpit, including a hijacking by someone who knew how to fly a commercial jet.

Investigators haven’t yet said who they think might have flown the plane off course or why. They also haven’t ruled out mechanical problems as a possible cause of the plane’s diversion.


Read more: http://fox43.com/2014/04/06/malaysi...trace-sounds-detected-in-ocean/#ixzz2y7LsiJPa

 

[Intermezzo]

Thomas Altshuler, the vice president and general manager for Teledyne Marine Systems, said the device pictured in the photographs is a DPL-275 diver pinger locator and is intended for use in relatively shallow water. He said it is mainly intended for use by a diver, though it can also be used mounted to a pole or a boom and held over the side of a boat, the method apparently used by the crew of the Haixun 01.

But he was very cautious about whether the device could be used to successfully detect a pinger that was thousands of feet below the surface.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/07/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-370.html?hp&_r=0

IMO
The picture of the inflatable is more of a photo op showing the work they r doing
That device they have is the one that has a ocean depth range of 600ft
:twocents:

 

[Intermezzo]

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 flew around Indonesian airspace apparently to avoid detection after vanishing from radar screens on March 8, a media report said on Sunday, suggesting the possibility of a more sinister reason behind the jet's disappearance.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...id-radar-report-says/articleshow/33342854.cms

it seems that way doesn't it

 

[ElleElle]

The bolded items is something I am going to take away from this plane disaster. It is horrifying to think about and much more serious than I ever thought.

I never realized there was a limited supply of oxygen before. And I never realized how fast we had better get on those masks if there is ever decompression.

The next time I ever fly when the stewardess goes through the safety briefing I am going to pay attention to where that mask should drop from and if there is ever a decompression I am going to be one of the first ones to grab my mask and be sure to start breathing that O2. Then will begin to look out window and hope the pilot descends to 10000 feet quickly.

When they calculated the 10 minutes of O2 they give people I hope they took into account we all will be in panic mode and will be consuming the O2 at a rate of 4 to 5 times normal. :floorlaugh:

Yes, it is very scary. This would explained the fast descent? Perhaps the pilots did try to descend at a low altitude. I found this "Mayday" episode on the Helios flight, but that on was scrambled immediately.

This morning, i'm wondering if MH370 was shot down. If everyone died of hypoxia, they would not be able to get contact to the "ghost plane".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GywVDgKlg6g

 

[Gerontion]

My personal belief is that the designated pilot was in control of the aircraft for the duration. I only wonder if he was in full control of himself. Was he under internal distress, or external distress?

 

[ElleElle]

I'm cautiously optimistic

It wouldn't be luck at all. The Chinese are very, very technologically advanced. They spend tons on their military. This wouldn't be like Burma saying the found it from a little boat like the silly one pictured

I don't blame the Chinese at all for going their own way with the search. Good for them. I hate it when searches and things are very insular (total line-of-command and all that). Maybe their physicists came up with a different spot, slightly. That's very possible. Those calculations involve many possible answers especially if we're talking about hundreds of miles, and the one right one can't be found without having more information. So the best we get mathematically is a best fit (an educated guess).

But always remember the subs! Very, very stealth subs, military ones are I've been sure there were subs searching from nations that don't tell where their subs are (like the US doesn't). That really is often classified information for many countries. Nope, I can't blame China a bit if they found it and this is how it looks, lol. I hope they did!

Except for that part about who gets to keep the black box, but I think the US corners the market on the kinds of vessels that can retrieve it at great depths, so here's keeping our fingers crossed on that aspect.

:cheers: IMO, the black box should be handed over to the NTSB.

 

[ElleElle]

Was posted way earlier in one of the threads that packages for flight simulators have all kinds of landing strips, Diego Garcia included. I think Derryn posted on this subject.

Yes, I remember that. But, why would one want to land on Diego Garcia? Because they can't? Something about that does not sit right with me. Being a "top secret" island owned by the UK, leased by the US, would they make their information unclassified?

Just thinking out loud.

 

[ElleElle]

Rolls-Royce and Boeing should be more involved in handling the case instead of letting MAS alone to face the media and grieving family members, said Advanced Air Traffic System (AAT) Sdn Bhd.

Its chairman Datuk Zolkipli Abdul said Rolls-Royce as the engine maker and Boeing, the aircraft manufacturer are both liable to answer for the incident as the investigations have not ruled out their involvement with the incident yet.

"We have been seeing MAS handling the press conferences alone and answering on behalf of Boeing and Rolls-Royce all these while and it seems like they are trying to put the burden of proof on MAS alone."

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...hould-be-more-involved-1.551330#ixzz2y4JuTtnf

It kind of annoys me Boeing does not have more input in this.

One of he questions I have for them is can a 777 200-ER computer systems be hacked.

There have been reports of the flight program altered during flight.

 

[ElleElle]

The only thing of interest that I have heard today regarding the flight simulator is that the pilot had been "practicing" emergency landings. Not seeing anything unusual about that. Maybe I missed something!

Perhaps that's where MH370 was heading, to do an emergency landing. And then what?

I'm so surprised MH370 was not scrambled flying aimlessly. :dunno:

 

[ElleElle]

Kudos to all the men and women involved in this SAR.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...icks_up_signal_consistent_with_black_box.html

 

[Momoffourboys]

Is it rude to be logged in here, and nod off for 8-9hrs, after having selected the "remember me" button? Does that waste bandwidth or something?

Sorry, I don't know the answer. I hope not...I think I have been logged in for a
Few months. :facepalm: