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At least they (Malaysian government) isn't refusing assistance from other countries. Hopefully Troadec, with his experience in the search for AF447, will be able to bring something useful to this investigation.
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The thing is........the elephant in the room is the fact that no "real, quality" information has been released to date.
Such a tight clamp on information being released is odd. Not one country has broken ranks and given the world much confidence in the information surrounding the disappearance. Lack of information only deepens the mystery.
It will be interesting to see what really comes out of this "important meeting."
Such a tight clamp on information being released is odd. Not one country has broken ranks and given the world much confidence in the information surrounding the disappearance. Lack of information only deepens the mystery.
It will be interesting to see what really comes out of this "important meeting."
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2014/05/02/21644696.html
"Australia and Malaysia now plan to contract commercial companies to undertake a sonar search of 60,000 sq km of seabed that could take eight months or more at a cost of about A$60 million ($55.6 million)."
"Australia and Malaysia now plan to contract commercial companies to undertake a sonar search of 60,000 sq km of seabed that could take eight months or more at a cost of about A$60 million ($55.6 million)."
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I highly doubt now as the events are represented, not one country or military in that part of the world suspected MH370 being a threat.
If a jet scrambled MH370, it would be the US or the closest nation that saw it?
Just my thoughts.
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When MH370 backtracked and flew Malaysia's own airspace, the flight showed up on Malay Air Force radar but the crew did not check it out even though they have plenty of jets available. If they had, they could have confirmed that either the plane was in trouble or made visual confirmation by flying alongside to do a thumbs up with the crew. In the worse case scenario if there was a problem, they could have least kept an eye on the flight and we would all know the outcome today.
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I see Cambodia in the diagram, hmm. Where does Cambodia come into play here? :waitasec:
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Mr Hussein said the tip could be confirmed only by sending vessels to the area
"But I just want to stress that by doing that, we are distracting ourselves from the main search," Mr Hussein said. "And in the event that the result from the search is negative, who is going to be responsible for that loss of time?"
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh370-b...says-report-20140503-zr3wu.html#ixzz30czM5iW0
"But I just want to stress that by doing that, we are distracting ourselves from the main search," Mr Hussein said. "And in the event that the result from the search is negative, who is going to be responsible for that loss of time?"
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh370-b...says-report-20140503-zr3wu.html#ixzz30czM5iW0
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This plane was missing from Malaysian radar for 17 minutes. How then does Malaysia explain when the plane reentered Malaysian radar that their air traffic controllers either didn't ask the pilot of MH370 to identify or the ATC just assumed the plane was friendly and let it go at that? If so, boy howdy, what a way to run a govt. airline!
At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out Malaysian military shot 370 down, and then realized how hard this would be to explain to the Chinese govt., and fearing retaliation they obfuscated, stalled, edited, and perhaps lied until enough time had passed so that it looks like the plane went down where it's postulated it did.
Would the govts. of other countries back what the Malaysian govt. said or protect them in an effort to avoid a conflict between China and Malaysia that could escalate into any number of countries getting involved?
What is the real story? I'm not sure we've heard it yet!
At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out Malaysian military shot 370 down, and then realized how hard this would be to explain to the Chinese govt., and fearing retaliation they obfuscated, stalled, edited, and perhaps lied until enough time had passed so that it looks like the plane went down where it's postulated it did.
Would the govts. of other countries back what the Malaysian govt. said or protect them in an effort to avoid a conflict between China and Malaysia that could escalate into any number of countries getting involved?
What is the real story? I'm not sure we've heard it yet!
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My opinions only, no facts here:
As Sherlock Holmes would say, I cannot deny that the case is abstruse and complicated.
The principal issue is that dogged determination to prove model-driven theories (model evidence) is trumping a full and timely analysis of physical evidence. I don't want the searchers to become Rebels Without A Cause!
Physical Evidence examples (related or unrelated to the disappearance):
The continuous track of MH 370, until the transponder fell silent.
The surface witnesses to unusual aircraft sightings on the night of the disappearance of MH 370 (Maldives, eastern Malaysian coast, Gulf of Thailand/South China Sea).
Contents of the cargo on the flight that disappeared.
Identities of passengers and crew on the missing airplane and their relative positions on the plane.
The "fire bottle" found in the Maldives as well as certain other pieces of flotsam and sheens on the ocean (particularly the oil sheen found early-on in the Gulf of Thailand/South China Sea).
Model Evidence examples (related or unrelated to the disappearance):
Military radar hits of UFO's on the night of MH 370's disappearance (reported after-the-fact).
The absence of radar detections at some locations on the night of MH 370's disappearance.
The Inmarsat satellite ping theory that is based upon Doppler effects.
Underwater ping detections that are at the wrong frequency and possibly were detected at impossibly-great distances from a theoretical black box location.
The GeoResonance study that proposes there could be a plane in the Bay of Bengal.
Remember that Physical Evidence exists only through direct human observations OR through very reliable systems developed by humans (e.g. transponder in this case, or fingerprints/DNA in a common criminal case), and such evidence should exist even if the plane had not disappeared. In contrast, the Model Evidence would never have existed, except IF the plane disappeared and IF people demanded answers. The physical evidence of a case is mostly developed BEFORE the final outcome is known. The model evidence is commonly developed AFTER presumptions of the final outcome have formed in people's minds. The principal is this: if you are told what it is you are looking for and there is sufficient pressure placed upon you OR sufficient opportunity dangled before you, you will probably "see" what you are looking for. James Randi (the magician debunker) would probably agree with me on this one.
Sleuth On!
As Sherlock Holmes would say, I cannot deny that the case is abstruse and complicated.
The principal issue is that dogged determination to prove model-driven theories (model evidence) is trumping a full and timely analysis of physical evidence. I don't want the searchers to become Rebels Without A Cause!
Physical Evidence examples (related or unrelated to the disappearance):
The continuous track of MH 370, until the transponder fell silent.
The surface witnesses to unusual aircraft sightings on the night of the disappearance of MH 370 (Maldives, eastern Malaysian coast, Gulf of Thailand/South China Sea).
Contents of the cargo on the flight that disappeared.
Identities of passengers and crew on the missing airplane and their relative positions on the plane.
The "fire bottle" found in the Maldives as well as certain other pieces of flotsam and sheens on the ocean (particularly the oil sheen found early-on in the Gulf of Thailand/South China Sea).
Model Evidence examples (related or unrelated to the disappearance):
Military radar hits of UFO's on the night of MH 370's disappearance (reported after-the-fact).
The absence of radar detections at some locations on the night of MH 370's disappearance.
The Inmarsat satellite ping theory that is based upon Doppler effects.
Underwater ping detections that are at the wrong frequency and possibly were detected at impossibly-great distances from a theoretical black box location.
The GeoResonance study that proposes there could be a plane in the Bay of Bengal.
Remember that Physical Evidence exists only through direct human observations OR through very reliable systems developed by humans (e.g. transponder in this case, or fingerprints/DNA in a common criminal case), and such evidence should exist even if the plane had not disappeared. In contrast, the Model Evidence would never have existed, except IF the plane disappeared and IF people demanded answers. The physical evidence of a case is mostly developed BEFORE the final outcome is known. The model evidence is commonly developed AFTER presumptions of the final outcome have formed in people's minds. The principal is this: if you are told what it is you are looking for and there is sufficient pressure placed upon you OR sufficient opportunity dangled before you, you will probably "see" what you are looking for. James Randi (the magician debunker) would probably agree with me on this one.
Sleuth On!
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In addition to President of the French Aviation Accident Investigation Bureau (and previous head of the Air France 447 investigation team)
Mr Jean-Paul Troadec Could perhaps the French involvement in the MH370 investigation also be due to the fact that France was one of
the countries saying they have got Satellite Images of the possible plane and its derbis in the Southern Corridor?
This morning, Malaysia received new satellite images from the French authorities,'
' Malaysia's transport ministry said in a statement. "Malaysia immediately relayed these images to
the Australian rescue co-ordination center.''
""This morning, Malaysia received new satellite images from the French authorities showing potential objects in the vicinity of the southern corridor,
" the Malaysian Transport Ministry said in a statement."
NBC news published Mar 23, 2014 - France has new satellite images "
www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-j...-satellite-images-show-possible-debris-n59796
"Based on calculations involving the plane's speed and fuel and satellite data, investigators believe it crashed somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean
west of Australia."
"Malaysia's acting transport minister, said Kok Soo Chon would head the team probing the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 "
"Kok, who was also a former permanent representative to the Montreal-based International Civil Aviation Organisation, is expected to face a tricky task."
http://www.france24.com/en/20140430-malaysia-lead-probe-ill-fated-mh370/
"Malaysia has hired Kok Soo Chon, a former director-general at the department of civil aviation, to lead the international investigation team tasked
to find the cause of the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/29/malaysia-airlines-idUSL3N0NL29U20140429
"The International Independent Investigating Panel will determine the reason for the four-hour delay in detecting Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Flight MH370."
"Let the independent body study the matter first because the two incidences, missing of MH370 and Air France 447, are two different things."
"In the Air France case, the location of the aircraft was known early and debris was also found, so there was additional information, so the report that was provided was thicker.
"In the case of MH370, I have said it is unique in the sense that up till today, we have not been able to detect the plane or debris..
but this does not mean that we are not following up all leads that were forwarded to us," he said.
http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...l-to-determine-cause-of-4-hour-delay-1.585494
"A former head of Malaysia's civil aviation department will lead an investigation into a missing jet
that will also include members of the US National Transportation Safety Board and other agencies"
"Hishammuddin Hussein, Malaysia's acting transport minister, said Kok Soo Chon would head the team probing
the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370"
http://news.asiaone.com/news/malaysia/malaysia-lead-probe-ill-fated-mh70-minister
"Acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein said the discussions were being carried out with
SapuraKencana Petroleum, Petronas, Boustead Holding Berhad and DRB-HICOM Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd (DefTech)
for the utilisation of their assets.
The assets included the autonomous unmanned vehicles (AUVs), deep water towed side scan sonars, remotely operated vehicles (ROVs),
and support vessels, Hishammuddin told a media conference"
"On the international investigation team led by the Department of Civil Aviations former director-general Datuk Kok Soo Chon,
he said the team had commenced investigations on the incident as stipulated by the Terms of Reference laid out by the International Civil Aviation
Organistaion (ICAO)."
http://www.themalaysiantimes.com.my...d-discussions-with-msian-commercial-entities/
"Vietnam ATC broke protocol on contacting MH370"
"Malaysias Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) Director General Datuk Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said today that Vietnam air controllers breached protocol
by enquiring about the missing Flight MH370 17 minutes after the plane vanished, instead of the 5 minutes as protocol demanded."
"Azharuddin then said it was for the controllers at Ho Chi Minh to say why it took them 12 minutes longer than prescribed by aviation protocol
before contacting their Malaysian counterparts for verification."
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...contacting-mh370-says-malaysian-civil-aviatio
More info About:
Department of Civil Aviation - Malaysia:
Department of Civil Aviation Malaysia (DCA) government agency formed under Ministry of Transport (Malaysia):
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Civil_Aviation_Malaysia"]Department of Civil Aviation Malaysia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Ministry_of_Transport"]Ministry of Transport (Malaysia) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
List of Transport Ministers:
16 May 2013 Present: YB. Dato' Seri Hishammuddin Bin Tun Hussein (Acting):
Datuk Seri Panglima Hishammuddin bin Tun Hussein (born 5 August 1961) is a Malaysian politician and member of the
United Malays National Organisation (UMNO). He is currently the Minister of Defence and acting Minister of Transport since 16 May 2013.
In July 2010, Hishamuddin accused Anwar Ibrahim of being a CIA agent based on a blog article.
Hishamuddin admitted the Home Ministry "doesn't know if Anwar is a tool (of the CIA) or not".
Mysteriously, Hishamuddin added that "action" would only be taken if "national security" was threatened although espionage, i.e. working for a foreign intelligence
agency.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hishammuddin_Hussein"]Hishammuddin Hussein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Ibrahim"]Anwar Ibrahim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
A lot of controversy in reg to Malaysian politician Anwar Ibrahim, see Wikipedia info about Anwar Ibrahim , e.g.
More about Anwar Bin Ibrahim, Dato' Seri Anwar Bin Ibrahim (born 10 August 1947) a Malaysian politician, Leader of Opposition.:
4.1 Years in prison and subsequent release:
"uttering accusations of immoral acts and calling Anwar a homosexual at a news conference in Malaysia."
"The sodomy verdict was partially overturned in 2004, resulting in Anwar's release from prison as he had already served his sentence
for the corruption offence"
5 Career as opposition leader (200
:
"On 26 August 2008, Anwar won re-election in the Permatang Pauh by-election and returned to Parliament as leader of the Malaysian opposition. "
5.3 2008 Allegations of sodomy:
"Anwar was found not guilty on 9 January 2012, almost two years after the trial started."
5.4 2014 Allegations of sodomy acquittal overturned:
"While homosexual acts are illegal in Muslim-majority Malaysia, very few people are ever prosecuted."
"As part of his overturned acquittal on 4 March 2014, Anwar has been sentenced to five years in jail,
but remains free on bail while he appeals the verdict."
5.5 Hidden sex tape allegation:
"On 21 March 2011 a sex video appeared which claimed to feature Anwar Ibrahim. A day after that, Anwar Ibrahim denied his involvement"
"The video also showed how make-up artists could easily produce an Anwar look-alike."
5.6 Jews, Israel, APCO Worldwide, and 1Malaysia:
"Anwar has made numerous remarks about a supposed conspiracy among the Malaysian government, APCO (a public relations firm retained by the Malaysian government),
Israel, and the United States. Anwar has condemned the Malaysian government for seeking advice from APCO. "
"He further implied that changes in Malaysian foreign policy could only be explained if Jews were manipulating Malaysia for the United States."
"Anwar claimed to have documents linking 1Malaysia, One Israel, and the public relations firm APCO but refused to allow access to the documents when challenged."
5.7 2012 Israeli-Palestinian Security comments....
Does anyone on WS remember reading early MH370 msm news reports that the pilot of MH370 is RELATED to jailed Malaysian opposition leader ?
Here are some links to support that info:
Published by Dailymail March 18th 2014:
Revealed: 'Fanatical' pilot is RELATED to jailed Malaysian opposition leader:
"After previously denying he reconigsed his name, opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, left, has admitted that Malaysia Airlines MH370 pilot
Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, right, is related to his son in law"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-lost-relatives-threaten-hunger-strike.html
Missing flight MH370 Captain Zaharie is related to Anwar inlaws:
"Missing MH370: Anwar now admits Capt Zaharie related to son's in-laws "
Opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim has now admitted that MH370 pilot Capt Zaharie Ahmad Shah is related to his sons in-laws.
I am not denying that he (Zaharie) is related to one of my in-laws and that I have met him on several occasions. In fact, he is a close friend of
(PKR supreme council member and Subang MP) R. Sivarasa, as we said before, Anwar told reporters at the Parliament lobby..."
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/18/Missing-MH370-Capt-Zaharie-related-to-Anwar-inlaws/
Remember also how Cops found information from
Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's, the pilot of Malaysian flight 370 in reg:
"Cops find five Indian Ocean practice runways in MH370 pilots simulator"
"Investigators have discovered the runways of five airports near the Indian Ocean loaded into Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shahs home-made flight simulator,
a Malay daily reported".
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...actice-runways-in-mh370-pilots-simulator-bh-r
Even if the relationship between the two, the MH370 Pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah & Politician opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim
has not been fully covered nor reported, it should not be fully underestimated or pushed aside....
MOO.
Mr Jean-Paul Troadec Could perhaps the French involvement in the MH370 investigation also be due to the fact that France was one of
the countries saying they have got Satellite Images of the possible plane and its derbis in the Southern Corridor?
This morning, Malaysia received new satellite images from the French authorities,'
' Malaysia's transport ministry said in a statement. "Malaysia immediately relayed these images to
the Australian rescue co-ordination center.''
""This morning, Malaysia received new satellite images from the French authorities showing potential objects in the vicinity of the southern corridor,
" the Malaysian Transport Ministry said in a statement."
NBC news published Mar 23, 2014 - France has new satellite images "
www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-j...-satellite-images-show-possible-debris-n59796
"Based on calculations involving the plane's speed and fuel and satellite data, investigators believe it crashed somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean
west of Australia."
"Malaysia's acting transport minister, said Kok Soo Chon would head the team probing the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 "
"Kok, who was also a former permanent representative to the Montreal-based International Civil Aviation Organisation, is expected to face a tricky task."
http://www.france24.com/en/20140430-malaysia-lead-probe-ill-fated-mh370/
"Malaysia has hired Kok Soo Chon, a former director-general at the department of civil aviation, to lead the international investigation team tasked
to find the cause of the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/29/malaysia-airlines-idUSL3N0NL29U20140429
"The International Independent Investigating Panel will determine the reason for the four-hour delay in detecting Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Flight MH370."
"Let the independent body study the matter first because the two incidences, missing of MH370 and Air France 447, are two different things."
"In the Air France case, the location of the aircraft was known early and debris was also found, so there was additional information, so the report that was provided was thicker.
"In the case of MH370, I have said it is unique in the sense that up till today, we have not been able to detect the plane or debris..
but this does not mean that we are not following up all leads that were forwarded to us," he said.
http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...l-to-determine-cause-of-4-hour-delay-1.585494
"A former head of Malaysia's civil aviation department will lead an investigation into a missing jet
that will also include members of the US National Transportation Safety Board and other agencies"
"Hishammuddin Hussein, Malaysia's acting transport minister, said Kok Soo Chon would head the team probing
the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370"
http://news.asiaone.com/news/malaysia/malaysia-lead-probe-ill-fated-mh70-minister
"Acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein said the discussions were being carried out with
SapuraKencana Petroleum, Petronas, Boustead Holding Berhad and DRB-HICOM Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd (DefTech)
for the utilisation of their assets.
The assets included the autonomous unmanned vehicles (AUVs), deep water towed side scan sonars, remotely operated vehicles (ROVs),
and support vessels, Hishammuddin told a media conference"
"On the international investigation team led by the Department of Civil Aviations former director-general Datuk Kok Soo Chon,
he said the team had commenced investigations on the incident as stipulated by the Terms of Reference laid out by the International Civil Aviation
Organistaion (ICAO)."
http://www.themalaysiantimes.com.my...d-discussions-with-msian-commercial-entities/
"Vietnam ATC broke protocol on contacting MH370"
"Malaysias Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) Director General Datuk Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said today that Vietnam air controllers breached protocol
by enquiring about the missing Flight MH370 17 minutes after the plane vanished, instead of the 5 minutes as protocol demanded."
"Azharuddin then said it was for the controllers at Ho Chi Minh to say why it took them 12 minutes longer than prescribed by aviation protocol
before contacting their Malaysian counterparts for verification."
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...contacting-mh370-says-malaysian-civil-aviatio
More info About:
Department of Civil Aviation - Malaysia:
Department of Civil Aviation Malaysia (DCA) government agency formed under Ministry of Transport (Malaysia):
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Civil_Aviation_Malaysia"]Department of Civil Aviation Malaysia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Ministry_of_Transport"]Ministry of Transport (Malaysia) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
List of Transport Ministers:
16 May 2013 Present: YB. Dato' Seri Hishammuddin Bin Tun Hussein (Acting):
Datuk Seri Panglima Hishammuddin bin Tun Hussein (born 5 August 1961) is a Malaysian politician and member of the
United Malays National Organisation (UMNO). He is currently the Minister of Defence and acting Minister of Transport since 16 May 2013.
In July 2010, Hishamuddin accused Anwar Ibrahim of being a CIA agent based on a blog article.
Hishamuddin admitted the Home Ministry "doesn't know if Anwar is a tool (of the CIA) or not".
Mysteriously, Hishamuddin added that "action" would only be taken if "national security" was threatened although espionage, i.e. working for a foreign intelligence
agency.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hishammuddin_Hussein"]Hishammuddin Hussein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Ibrahim"]Anwar Ibrahim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
A lot of controversy in reg to Malaysian politician Anwar Ibrahim, see Wikipedia info about Anwar Ibrahim , e.g.
More about Anwar Bin Ibrahim, Dato' Seri Anwar Bin Ibrahim (born 10 August 1947) a Malaysian politician, Leader of Opposition.:
4.1 Years in prison and subsequent release:
"uttering accusations of immoral acts and calling Anwar a homosexual at a news conference in Malaysia."
"The sodomy verdict was partially overturned in 2004, resulting in Anwar's release from prison as he had already served his sentence
for the corruption offence"
5 Career as opposition leader (200
:"On 26 August 2008, Anwar won re-election in the Permatang Pauh by-election and returned to Parliament as leader of the Malaysian opposition. "
5.3 2008 Allegations of sodomy:
"Anwar was found not guilty on 9 January 2012, almost two years after the trial started."
5.4 2014 Allegations of sodomy acquittal overturned:
"While homosexual acts are illegal in Muslim-majority Malaysia, very few people are ever prosecuted."
"As part of his overturned acquittal on 4 March 2014, Anwar has been sentenced to five years in jail,
but remains free on bail while he appeals the verdict."
5.5 Hidden sex tape allegation:
"On 21 March 2011 a sex video appeared which claimed to feature Anwar Ibrahim. A day after that, Anwar Ibrahim denied his involvement"
"The video also showed how make-up artists could easily produce an Anwar look-alike."
5.6 Jews, Israel, APCO Worldwide, and 1Malaysia:
"Anwar has made numerous remarks about a supposed conspiracy among the Malaysian government, APCO (a public relations firm retained by the Malaysian government),
Israel, and the United States. Anwar has condemned the Malaysian government for seeking advice from APCO. "
"He further implied that changes in Malaysian foreign policy could only be explained if Jews were manipulating Malaysia for the United States."
"Anwar claimed to have documents linking 1Malaysia, One Israel, and the public relations firm APCO but refused to allow access to the documents when challenged."
5.7 2012 Israeli-Palestinian Security comments....
Does anyone on WS remember reading early MH370 msm news reports that the pilot of MH370 is RELATED to jailed Malaysian opposition leader ?
Here are some links to support that info:
Published by Dailymail March 18th 2014:
Revealed: 'Fanatical' pilot is RELATED to jailed Malaysian opposition leader:
"After previously denying he reconigsed his name, opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, left, has admitted that Malaysia Airlines MH370 pilot
Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, right, is related to his son in law"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-lost-relatives-threaten-hunger-strike.html
Missing flight MH370 Captain Zaharie is related to Anwar inlaws:
"Missing MH370: Anwar now admits Capt Zaharie related to son's in-laws "
Opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim has now admitted that MH370 pilot Capt Zaharie Ahmad Shah is related to his sons in-laws.
I am not denying that he (Zaharie) is related to one of my in-laws and that I have met him on several occasions. In fact, he is a close friend of
(PKR supreme council member and Subang MP) R. Sivarasa, as we said before, Anwar told reporters at the Parliament lobby..."
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/18/Missing-MH370-Capt-Zaharie-related-to-Anwar-inlaws/
Remember also how Cops found information from
Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's, the pilot of Malaysian flight 370 in reg:
"Cops find five Indian Ocean practice runways in MH370 pilots simulator"
"Investigators have discovered the runways of five airports near the Indian Ocean loaded into Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shahs home-made flight simulator,
a Malay daily reported".
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...actice-runways-in-mh370-pilots-simulator-bh-r
Even if the relationship between the two, the MH370 Pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah & Politician opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim
has not been fully covered nor reported, it should not be fully underestimated or pushed aside....
MOO.
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Anwar Ibrahim's grown child is an inlaw to Captain Zaharie Shah and you have done a great job of itemizing the links to support that Insp. Gadget
Oh yeah also the Defence Minister is a cousin to the current Prime Minister and seen as a potential successor as Prime Minister of Malaysia
http://www.news.nom.co/hishammuddin-hussein/
Oh yeah also the Defence Minister is a cousin to the current Prime Minister and seen as a potential successor as Prime Minister of Malaysia
http://www.news.nom.co/hishammuddin-hussein/
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Thanks for confirming the connections - to connect the dots.
Here is also to add some info about
APCO Controversy :
"APCO Worldwide is an independent communications consultancy.
With more than 600 employees in 29 worldwide locations, it is the
second largest independently-owned PR firm in the United States."
"APCO Worldwide has offices in major business, financial, political and media capitals "
"Headquartered in Washington, D.C., 'APCO' was founded in 1984 by Margery Kraus, who is now the firms global CEO."
"Margery Kraus founded APCO Associates in 1984 as a subsidiary to 'Arnold & Porter', one of Washington's largest law firms,"
"'Arnold & Porter' was founded in 1946 by 'New Deal' veterans".
"APCO - Controversy:
Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim alleged in the Malaysian parliament (the Dewan Rakyat) that the 1Malaysia concept was mirrored after One Israel concept
and designed by Mindteams Sdn Bhd, a branch in Malaysia of APCO Worldwide."
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Interesting part abou the cargo and lithium ion batteries, can somebody find out more info?
"A new mystery has emerged in MH370's disappearance with the Malaysia Airlines saying the lithium ion batteries carried in the plane weighed over 200 kg,
even as the cargo manifest released recently listed the "consolidated" consignment at 2.453 tonnes."
"The balance three house AWB, amounting to 2,232 kg, were declared as radio accessories and chargers,"
the Malaysia Airlines (MAS) said in a statement last night.
But this has not been disclosed before and is not stated in the cargo manifest, the Star reported."
"Even though the MAS said the batteries weighed 221 kg, a company spokesman said they weighed less than 200kg. He, however, did not say what the remaining 2.253 tonnes of cargo was.
"I cannot reveal more because of the ongoing investigations. We have been told by our legal advisers not to talk about it,"
He said he could not name the company which manufactured the batteries."
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...thium-batteries-emerges/article1-1215143.aspx
Does anyone on WS still remember the 20 'Freescale Semiconductor' employees confirmed passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 en route
from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing... ?
http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140308-902237.html
Freescale also has a family of batttery charger designed.... See from their company website...
"Lithium-ion (Li-Ion) batteries require extremely accurate charging current and output voltages to optimize battery life
and performance. To address this need, Freescale has a family of battery charger ICs designed to provide the industry's highest performance and accuracy".
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/taxonomy.jsp?code=BATTMNGT
Interesting part abou the cargo and lithium ion batteries, can somebody find out more info?
"A new mystery has emerged in MH370's disappearance with the Malaysia Airlines saying the lithium ion batteries carried in the plane weighed over 200 kg,
even as the cargo manifest released recently listed the "consolidated" consignment at 2.453 tonnes."
"The balance three house AWB, amounting to 2,232 kg, were declared as radio accessories and chargers,"
the Malaysia Airlines (MAS) said in a statement last night.
But this has not been disclosed before and is not stated in the cargo manifest, the Star reported."
"Even though the MAS said the batteries weighed 221 kg, a company spokesman said they weighed less than 200kg. He, however, did not say what the remaining 2.253 tonnes of cargo was.
"I cannot reveal more because of the ongoing investigations. We have been told by our legal advisers not to talk about it,"
He said he could not name the company which manufactured the batteries."
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...thium-batteries-emerges/article1-1215143.aspx
Does anyone on WS still remember the 20 'Freescale Semiconductor' employees confirmed passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 en route
from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing... ?
http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140308-902237.html
Freescale also has a family of batttery charger designed.... See from their company website...
"Lithium-ion (Li-Ion) batteries require extremely accurate charging current and output voltages to optimize battery life
and performance. To address this need, Freescale has a family of battery charger ICs designed to provide the industry's highest performance and accuracy".
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/taxonomy.jsp?code=BATTMNGT
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-items-not-listed-manifest.html#ixzz30fBUYl1D
The manifest doesn't really make sense to me. If there were only two items shipped by NNR to NNR, and one was 1.99 tonnes (1,990 kg) and the other was 436 kg, which one were the batteries in? And how could they weigh 200 kg? Was there far more than 200 kg of batteries?
(The mangosteens are not included in the above-listed cargo .. the article also says ... The aircraft was carrying 4.566 tonnes of mangosteens... and another 2 items weighing 320 kg and 326 kg)
Cargo Documents:
http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/s...01/MH370 - Cargo Manifest and Airway Bill.pdf
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Let's assume for a second this happened in N American airspace. The aircraft would be shot down, no questions asked.
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